On 18/01/2011 19:22, rantingrick wrote:
On Jan 18, 12:55 pm, Emile van Sebille<em...@fenx.com> wrote:
On 1/18/2011 9:10 AM rantingrick said...
On Jan 18, 10:54 am, MRAB<pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com> wrote:
Decisions are made after open discussion (although we're not sure about
"move to end" :-)). You shouldn't complain about not being consulted if
you don't take the time to join in...
Well don't get wrong i want to join in --not that i have all the
solutions-- however python-dev is a dangerous place for the
uninitiated. And we can't have thousands and thousands of posts
clogging up the main pool because that would only serve to slow the
process to a grinding hault.
However, we need some way that the average Python programmer can speak
up and be heard when any subject that he/she is passionate about comes
before the "council". These folks probably don't want to participate
in the highly competitive environment of Python dev. However they may
have very good ideas. I think we are doing this community a dis
service by not giving these voices an outlet.
We need either some way to vote outside of Python dev. i think it
would be much easier to just have a site where all proposals can be
viewed by anyone and they can offer input without clogging up Python
dev with noob questions or bad ideas. Then the "council" can review
these suggestions and make a more informed decision. Some might say
"well that is what blogs and c.l.py is for" and i say wrong. I believe
more folks would get involved if they felt that the medium was real.
c.l.py is not that place (although it could be with some changes) and
python.dev is not that place.
I am open to any ideas you may have.
Brett Cannon used to (still does?) prepare twice monthly summaries of
activity on python-dev which provided insight as to what was happening
on that side of things. I don't know if he or anyone else still does
so, but if so, a copy to this list would at least let everyone know if
something was happening that you might want to weigh in on.
seehttp://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.devel/43893
Emile
That is dated 2002? :D
Thanks for offering a suggestion it was very welcome however i need to
emphasize that what i am proposing is sort of "community discussion
suggestion box". Like a "Python Suggestions" group or something. Where
any and all suggestions, rants, complaints, ideas, etc, are welcome
from anyone without fear of reprisals.
However, in order for this to succeed the "elite" must take the time
to actually read it. Maybe we could have some trusted "proof readers"
who could sift out the spam and useless stuff and then send a modified
version to the senate for congressional reviewing. Of course at that
point the senate can further narrow down the list before sending over
to the white house. This is the only way (short of sending out
warnings in the python releases) that you can actually get a feel for
what Joe and Jane Python programmer are happy with.
The Python community are volunteers. Nothing gets done until someone
volunteers to do it. The "suggestion box" is your idea. Why don't you
set it up and report back?
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