On 2011-05-05, harrismh777 <harrismh...@charter.net> wrote: > Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> In fairness, he's not the only one. M Harris has twice now linked to an >> IBM site that describes pass-by-reference in C in terms of passing a >> pointer to the argument you want as the argument. Admittedly, doing so >> gives you almost the same behaviour, except that you have to dereference >> the pointers yourself. >> >> That's a pretty big difference though, and gets to the core of the >> argument: it's a bit like arguing that manual cars are fitted with >> exactly the same automatic transmission as auto cars, it's just that you >> have to engage the clutch and shift gears yourself. > > > ... and actually, if you feel it just right and you have just the > right synchro-mesh setup, you can slide from 3rd into 4th without > every touching the clutch peddle...
That's possible on pretty much any modern automotive or small-truck transmission, and it's not really that hard to do. I can go from 1st up to 5th and back down to 1st without touching the clutch. I don't as a habit do it, because it puts unnecessary wear on the syncros (and I've had cars with pretty weak syncros -- Alfa-Romeo Spyders were famous for the 2nd gear syncro wearing out). > and if that isn't automatic, I don't know what is.... No, that's _not_ automatic if you have to do it yourself. It's automatic when it happens without user-intervention. Now I think you're trolling... -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! I want to dress you at up as TALLULAH BANKHEAD and gmail.com cover you with VASELINE and WHEAT THINS ... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list