On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 00:32:58 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Grant Edwards
> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2012-09-27, Chris Angelico <ros...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Steven D'Aprano
>>> <steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Given how Perl has slipped in the last decade or so, that would be a
>>>> step backwards for Python :-P
>>>
>>> LAMP usually means PHP these days. There's a lot of that around.
>>
>> Yea, unfortunately.  What a mess of a language.  I recently had to
>> learn enough PHP to make some changes to a web site we had done by an
>> outside contractor.  PHP feels like it was designed by taking a
>> half-dozen other languages, chopping them into bits and then pulling
>> random features/syntax/semantics at random from the various different
>> piles.  Those bits where then stuck together with duct tape and bubble
>> gum and called PHP...
>>
>> As one of the contractors who wrote some of the PHP said: "PHP is like
>> the worst parts of shell, Perl, and Java all combined into one
>> language!"
> 
> I can't remember where I read it, and I definitely don't know if it's
> accurate to current thinking, but the other day I found a quote
> purporting to be from the creator of PHP saying that he didn't care
> about memory leaks, just restart Apache periodically. It's definitely
> true of most PHP scripts that they're unconcerned about resource
> leakage, on the assumption that everything'll get cleared out at the end
> of a page render. PHP seems to encourage sloppiness.

Fair enough, but it's the M in the LAMP stack I object to. I'd much 
rather have P.
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