On 9/30/2013 5:02 PM, Tim Chase wrote:
On 2013-09-30 19:04, Franck Ditter wrote:
two points make me crazy :
1. Tail recursion is not optimized. We are in 2013, why ? This is
known technology (since 1960). And don't answer with "good
programmers don't use recursion",

I seem to recall hearing that the primary reason it hadn't been
implemented is because of Python's super-dynamism (to make up a
word).

Right. A tail call is a call immediately followed by a return (in the byte code or equivalent). A recursive tail call is a tail call to the function containing the tail call. In Python, the function to be called in a call is not determined until the call is made. This is because the function expression is evaluated to a function object at runtime, not when the function is compiled.

It would be trivial to detect and somewhat optimize all tail calls in CPython. But the result would be to delete traceback info with *all* tail calls, not just for recursive tail calls.

Some functions have multiple recursive calls, as with divide and conquer algorithms and graph traversal. The last recursive call might or might not be a tail call. When it is, having calls omitted from the traceback might be undesireable. It might be disconcerting, for instance, if the number of calls in the traceback for a balanced binary tree algorithm did *not* match the level where the error took place.

That a function could be a tail recursion in one call, but
the calling the same name could then become rebound.  I'm making up
the example, but I think it was something like this:

   def kablooie(*args):
     if not args:
       def kablooie(*args):
         woah()
     do_something(args)
     kablooie(args[1:])

where tail recursion optimization would do weird things.

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Terry Jan Reedy

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