On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 21:39:33 -0500, Mark H Harris wrote:
> On 3/24/14 8:20 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
>> On 3/24/2014 7:56 PM, Mark H Harris wrote:
>
>>> the list which is used for each of the adder[] functions created.
>>
>> Wrong. Functions look up global and nonlocal names, such as n, when the
>> function is called.
>>
>>
> hi Terry, yeah, I know; this is what's *wrong* all at once.
>
> Functions "look up global and nonlocal names" such as n, is semantics
> for "each created function 'grabs' the last number (n) in the list",
> well, because that (n) is bound at call-time to (3).
>
> Your version semantically is detailed and correct; my version
> semantically is "how it is perceived" by the user, which is also
> correct.
No it isn't. You can demonstrate that some mental models are closer to
the actual behaviour of the interpreter, while other models are
incorrect, by writing just a little more complex code.
py> def test(arg):
... results = []
... for n in [1, 2, 3, 4]:
... results.append(lambda: n)
... n = arg
... return results
...
py> for func in test(1000):
... print(func())
...
1000
1000
1000
1000
The functions don't grab the last value from the list. They see whatever
value the variable n has at the time the function is called.
Are you surprised by this? If you are, it is because you haven't thought
it through in any detail. Let me show you something superficially
different:
py> funcs = []
py> for n in [1, 2, 3, 4]:
... def f():
... return n
... funcs.append(f)
...
py> n = 1000
py> for f in funcs:
... print(f())
...
1000
1000
1000
1000
Are you still surprised? I bet you aren't. How else would you expect a
variable to work?
Early binding may be *useful* sometimes, but it would be terribly
surprising if it were the default:
my_name = "Fred"
def greet():
print("Hello", my_name)
my_name = "Barney"
greet()
Would you expect to see "Hello Fred"?
The problem here is that Python is consistent, but people *want* it to be
inconsistent. When it doesn't magically read their mind, they get
"confused" that it isn't working the way they "expected".
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Steven
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