On 08/23/2015 08:05 AM, Johannes Bauer wrote: > By git bisect he can find out where > he introduced the bug.
Like Cecil said, this is of little help. There was no code changed from when he didn't notice the behavior until he did. >> Note that this says nothing about the location of the bug, in can still >> be either in the OPs code or in the framework. > > Yup. Note that he has now shifted from blaming bottle to blaming > Firefox. Same thing with that claim. If somehow website delivery was > delayed 6 seconds reproducibly, people would have noticed. Well it does look like the problem is indeed inside firefox. Chrome does exhibit the problem. Just fetching the urls in a script does not have the problem either. Since this is an ajax thing, I can entirely understand that Firefox introduces random delays. Practically all ajax-heavy sites I've ever used has had random slowdowns in Firefox. > I suspect that either the OPs program is at fault or the OP's setup > (name resolution or some other weird stuff going on). Name resolution could be an issue, but the script he wrote to simulate the browser requests does not show the slowdown at all. Firefox could be doing name resolution differently than the rest of the system and Chrome of course, which wouldn't surprise me as Firefox seems to more and more stupid stuff. > But instead of > tackling this problem systematically, like a Software Engineer would > (Wireshark, debugger, profiler) he just blames other people's software. > This, in my humble opinion, is annoying He is tackling the problem systematically, though perhaps not in the same way you would. Sure there are ways he can improve his process, and he is doing that slowly. But your bashing on him is inappropriate and unhelpful. And sometimes things that are obvious to you and others (such as strings being iterable in his sql binding problem) are not obvious to new users of python, even ones with a lot of experience in other languages. What is annoying to me is how you have done nothing but jump all over him this whole thread, and several other times. You seem to have made it your mission to bash him continually on this list, mocking him and saying if he were a wise Senior Software Engineer he would know such and such. In fact I can find very few of your posts to this list where you aren't bashing Cecil in recent months. This does not reflect well on the list community and drives away people who would otherwise want to learn Python. If Cecil's posts annoy you, please ignore them (I wouldn't even respond to this post of yours, but I feel like something has to be said). I for one am happy to help out, and I'm very glad to see a person come and learn python and be enthusiastic about it. Unlike many people learning Python, Cecil has made a strong attempt to learn the idiomatic ways of programming in Python, and seems to be really enjoying it. He hasn't been turned off by the sometimes toxic atmosphere of the list. He hasn't run off saying Python sux because of whitespace. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
