On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 3:12 AM Christian Gollwitzer <aurio...@gmx.de> wrote: > Typical conversation on this list / newsgroup: > > Q: "I could need a ?: operator just like in C. Is there something like > that in Python?" > > A1: "No. You don't want it. It makes the code confusing. You said, you > have a problem, you tried ?: - now you have two problems." > > A2: "Are you crazy? You want to make Python like Java?" > > A3: "Guido left it out for a reason. Guido's time machine has seen that > in 5 years you'll wonder what the hell ?: means" > > A4: "?: is unpythonic, because there is already One Obvious Way To Do It" > > --------- in the meantime, PEP 308 passes ------------ > A1: "Oh, nice, Python has invented a new feature! We're the leading edge > in language development!" > > A2: "All hail to Guido. In 5 years, you'll ned that, and then His > Time-Machine has struck again!" > > Q: "But isn't this the same as ?: in Java or C?" > > A3: "Never. There is a HUGE difference! ?: is sooo confusing. But a if c > else b, look, the order is reversed. This is much more natural! And not > strange punctuation, English words. Python is executable pseudocode!"
I think you're conflating dissenting voices. When the debate period ends and a feature gets adopted, the people who were opposed to it no longer have much reason to talk about their opposition (the ship has sailed). Meanwhile, the people who like the feature and are now able to start using it are more likely to bring it up, e.g. as the solution to a problem. So it's natural that the overall tone of the community shifts while individual opinions might not. And of course, sometimes people might change their opinion as a result of actually using the feature. I think we all can name things we don't like about Python. For example, you're not likely to ever convince me that piggybacking coroutines onto generators was anything but a terrible hack that results in added complexity and leaky abstraction now that the feature has been stretched even further into an async framework. I don't see much point in arguing about it though since it's highly unlikely to change. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
