On 04/03/2022 00:43, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 at 11:14, Rob Cliffe via Python-list
<python-list@python.org> wrote:
I find it so hard to remember what `for ... else` means that on the very
few occasions I have used it, I ALWAYS put a comment alongside/below the
`else` to remind myself (and anyone else unfortunate enough to read my
code) what triggers it, e.g.
for item in search_list:
...
... break
else: # if no item in search_list matched the criteria
A "break" statement always takes you to the line following the current
loop construct. The "else" block is part of the current loop
construct. It's no more a "no-break" block than the body of the for
loop is a "no-break" body here:
for item in stuff:
if condition: break
frobnicate(item) # if no previous item matched the condition
You get the idea.
If I really want to remember what this construct means, I remind myself
that `else` here really means `no break`. Would have been better if it
had been spelt `nobreak` or similar in the first place.
Maybe, but I think that obscures the meaning of it; "finally" isn't
quite right either (in a try block, you'd hit a finally block whether
you raise an exception or not), but I think it's closer. Creating a
new language keyword is an incredibly high cost.
Think of it like this:
for item in search_list:
if condition: pass
else:
print("Condition not true for this item")
for item in search_list:
if condition: break
else:
print("Condition not true for any item")
There's a parallel here. Since a for-else loop is basically useless
without an if-break construct inside it,
Yes but you have to remember what for-else means even to grasp that point.
the else clause can be
thought of as the else on a massive if/elif chain:
if stuff[0].is_good:
print("This item is good", stuff[0])
elif stuff[1].is_good:
print("This item is good", stuff[1])
...
...
elif stuff[n].is_good:
print("This item is good", stuff[n])
else:
print("All items are bad")
As a loop, this looks like this:
for item in stuff:
if item.is_good:
print("This item is good", item)
break
else:
print("All items are bad")
The else is attached to the for so that it compasses ALL the if
statements, but it's still broadly saying "do this when we don't hit
the 'if' condition".
Whether that's a sufficient mnemonic, I don't know,
Not for me, I'm afraid.
but it doesn't
really matter; the construct is useful to those of us who want it, and
if other people ignore it, that's fine. Nobody ever said you had to
use or understand every single feature of the language you're using.
ChrisA
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