On 29/12/2023 12:09 pm, Félix An via Python-list wrote:
On 2023-12-25 12:36, Mike Dewhirst wrote:

3. You cannot trust Microsoft. You can trust Python Software Foundation. Python from PSF works the same in all environments - or if not it is a bug. Python from Microsoft is tweaked to satisfy their aforementioned strategy of locking in users to Windows.


I strongly disagree with this.

Not sure which part of the above you strongly disagree with. I might seem a bit OTT with "You cannot trust Microsoft" but I did put it in a specific context.

PSF does try to make Python work identically in all operating systems it supports. The OP was using py.exe which I discovered (just now - and it is why I'm writing this) exists on my Windows 10 machine. I have never installed any Python other than personally downloaded from the python.org website - therefore py.exe must have come from PSF!

I had assumed the OP had installed Python from the Microsoft shop and that's where py.exe must have come from.

I learn something every day.

I don't get all the irrational hate for Microsoft that exists within the Linux community.

Perhaps you are too young to remember when Steve Ballmer was head of Microsoft?

He specifically and loudly hated Linux and developed the anti-linux culture/strategy within Microsoft. If memory serves correctly he called it a virus. That was in the context of trying to get rid of Linux in Europe (Germany I think) where it had gained a small municipal foothold. Microsoft eventually succeeded in reversing that public mistake.

In recent years, Microsoft has made great contributions to the everyday life of Linux users. VS Code is based on open source and available on Linux, .NET is now on Linux, Windows has WSL2 and Visual Studio Linux development tools to help you develop software for Linux, SQL Server (despite still being commercial software except for the Express and Developer versions) is on Linux, etc.

I only use Linux on servers without GUI. I have used Windows desktop since it was released because most of my clients used it. I had no choice. I have been watching what they do for decades.

I agree they appear to have become more civilised in recent years.

M

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