Op 2005-11-08, Magnus Lycka schreef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Antoon Pardon wrote: >> Fine that goes both ways. I don't mind not being taken serious by people >> I have trouble taking serious my self. No doubt that goes for you too. > > You know Antoon, these internet communities aren't really like > Speaker Corner in Hyde Park. You earn respect based on your merits, > not from the stubborn persistence in you arguments. > > Steve has written a very good book on Python, he's worked a lot > with Python conferences, and helped people on comp.lang.python > for years etc. He has earned his respect.
So? Steve can be very good at explaining what python is and how it behaves and at the same time have poor arguments why this would be good langauge design. So although he may have earned his respect in the first, that doesn't mean I have to take him seriously in the other. > You are fighting wind mills, bickering about things that you > don't have any solutions for. People should know what they want. If one dares to propose an alternative here, chances are that you get told to search a language that behaves as you want, if you don't you get blamed you don't have a solution. The only acceptable behaviour, seems to keep quiet about things where one thinks python could be improved. > It's possible that you have just > not realized how Python handles objects, names and classes, but I > can't understand what you are trying to accomplish. What can you > possibly try to convey that you haven't already stated? It's > as if you've got stuck in this thread. In the real world, I > haven't heard of anyone ever having had problems with this. Well in the real world nobody seemed to have problems with the lack of a condtional expression either. Each time someone brought it up, they were told it wasn't necessary anyway and how you could simulate it, with some caveat, by using 'and' and 'or'. Until it seems one of the developers got bitten by an elusive bug caused by such a caveat and suddenly there will be a condional expression in the next version. So, that we haven't heard of anyone ever having a problem with it doesn't contradict, that it may one day be the cause of a very elusive bug. > This thread is all to infected to lead to good things. Hopefully > you'll learn something about communication from it, but the price > has been higher than you might be aware of right now. Shrug, this is usenet, not my social life. -- Antoon Pardon -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list