Mitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > John Bokma wrote: >> Mitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> John Bokma wrote: >>> [...] >>>> You're mistaken. All you need to do is report it. After some time Xah >>>> will either walk in line with the rest of the world, or has found >>>> somewhere else to yell. As long as it's not my back garden and not >>>> around 4AM, I am ok with it. >>>> >>> Walk in line with the rest of the world? Pah. >>> >>> This is no-ones back garden. >> Funny how people who always think they can "change Usenet" have no >> clue about what Usenet is and how it works in the first place. > > Who said anything about changing it? I like it just the way it is. > >> Usenet is just that, each server participating can be thought of as >> being the back yard of the news master. > > Sure, each server has terms and conditions that apply, doesn't mean > you should be able to ban people from speaking just because you don't > like what they say. My point is that this isn't *your* back garden, > it isn't *my* back garden. It isn't something I own, and it *IS* > something I can filter and/or ignore. Someone shouting in your back > garden is a whole different ball game where your desires prevail. Not > here. You know what you are getting into when you sign in, and it is > your responsibility to deal with those you don't agree with > personally. > > I understand you consider his writings spam, and so can see why you > have reported him. All I'm saying is that as long as the articles are > remotely on topic, I believe he has a right to post his opinions here. > >> If you have no clue about how Usenet works, first read up a bit. >> What a Usenet server is, a feed, and how Usenet is distributed. >> And then come back if you finally have something to say that you can >> back up. >> > > Thankfully I'm aware enough of all the above that I don't feel the need. > > As these are all opinions, I don't see any need to "back up" any of it.
Personally, I think this is getting a bit out of hand. Originally, John and others suggested reporting Xah to his ISP for spamming multiple groups. There was never any suggestion I have seen (except from Xah himself) that the objective was to gag his "contraversial" thoughts/comments/ideas. I have no problem with him posting comments which are relevant to the group he posts to. However, I do object to anyone who has the arrogance to believe their opinions are so important they should be posted to any remotely related group they can think of. I don't agree with nearly 99% of what Xah says - he often raises a well known issue (i've not seen anything original yet), outlines it reasonably well, but then proposes solutions which strike me as being very poorly considered or narrow of thought. He also tends to look at something for a couple of days and then rubbish it with a tone of authority and experience he obviously hasn't yet obtained. However, he has just as much right to do so as anyone else and therefore, its not because of his content he should be reported - its because of his irresponsability in how he distributes it. I also seem to remember a page on his website from a couple of years back in which he admits enjoying trolling and starting flame wars - but I can't find it now, so maybe I'm mistaken. However, I suspect this is the main motivation for his posts rather than a genuine desire to solve problems he perceives. At any rate, its not like he hasn't been told his constant behavior of mass cross posting was considered bad form - he has been told many many times and just ignores it. If someone wrote up there essays and got them printed on millions of leaflets which they then dumped all over the place, would you be outraged when they were fined for littering and claim their right to free speech was being gagged? Of course not. This is the same. I think most would have no problem with Xah posting if he did it in a responsible manner. Note that normally I try to remove all the cross posted groups in replies to Xah's thread, but this time, I'm leaving them as I feel the nature of this thread warrants it. If you disagree, please don't hesitate to report me to my ISP as I'm more than willing to defend my decision. If I lose, there not an ISP I'd want to stay with anyway! Tim -- tcross (at) rapttech dot com dot au -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
