On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:18 PM, <python-nl-requ...@python.org> wrote: > Send Python-nl mailing list submissions to > python...@python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-nl > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > python-nl-requ...@python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > python-nl-ow...@python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Python-nl digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: samenvatting Arnhem (Remco Wendt) > 2. Django or something else ? (Stef Mientki) > 3. Re: Django or something else ? (Wichert Akkerman) > 4. Re: Django or something else ? (Rick van Hattem) > 5. Re: Django or something else ? (Stef Mientki) > 6. Re: Django or something else ? (Wichert Akkerman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:21:19 +0100 > From: Remco Wendt <re...@maykinmedia.nl> > Subject: Re: [python-nl] samenvatting Arnhem > To: Dutch Python developers and users <python-nl@python.org> > Message-ID: > <a6d21a790903030321n31ff3b88ub69b0b0b0f19...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > 2009/3/3 Tim Molendijk <t...@timmolendijk.nl> > >> Mijn twee centen: >> http://timmolendijk.nl/pun-dutch-python-users-meet-up-in-arnhem/ >> >> Overigens heb ik er een link in geplaatst naar de buildout configuratie die >> ik gebruik voor deployment van SmartPR, misschien een handige resource voor >> mensen die de moed opvatten om ook eens met zc.buildout aan de gang te gaan. >> >> Ik vond het overigens een mooie meet-up, nog bedankt Erwin, David en co! >> > > I also placed links to your blog posts on nl.python.org. > Since their was not enough time for the lightning talks, is it ok for > everyone if I move all lightning talks to the next meeting in Veenendaal? > > Btw from now on there will be an attendee list on the agenda page for every > meeting. If you intend to come please register your name (+ names of people > you bring along) there. This is so we know how many drinks we have to buy > :). For those of you planning to attend the next PUN, please add your name > to the attendee list at http://wiki.python.org/moin/PUB/CQ2M280509 (even if > you use upcoming). > > Remco > -- > Maykin Media > Damrak 355, 1012 ZJ Amsterdam > tel.: +31 (0)6 187 967 06 > http://www.maykinmedia.nl > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-nl/attachments/20090303/8dbe6c8d/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:46:18 +0100 > From: Stef Mientki <stef.mien...@gmail.com> > Subject: [python-nl] Django or something else ? > To: Dutch Python developers and users <python-nl@python.org> > Message-ID: <49ad890a.2020...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > hello, > > I'm looking for a way to make web applications, > especially (medical) questionnaires / surveys. > > At the last PUN meeting in Arnhem, > I asked a few people, and they all told me that Django would be the way > to go. > The most important argument was that the Django support / community was > the largest. > > When I look at the web, > both Django and Web2Py seems to have about the same capabilities. > In comparisons Web2Py looks something better, but these comparisons are > often coloured. > > The past days the number of mails in the Web2Py newsgroups is about > twice as large as in the Django newsgroup. > About Web2Py, I can buy a book, and didn't found any book about Django. > I've downloaded both, > still couldn't get Django working after 15 minutes, > while Web2Py worked in less than 5 minutes. > > What am I missing ? > > thanks, > Stef Mientki > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:48:14 +0100 > From: Wichert Akkerman <wich...@wiggy.net> > Subject: Re: [python-nl] Django or something else ? > To: Dutch Python developers and users <python-nl@python.org> > Message-ID: <49ad897e.9080...@wiggy.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 3/3/09 8:46 PM, Stef Mientki wrote: >> hello, >> >> I'm looking for a way to make web applications, >> especially (medical) questionnaires / surveys. >> >> At the last PUN meeting in Arnhem, >> I asked a few people, and they all told me that Django would be the >> way to go. >> The most important argument was that the Django support / community >> was the largest. >> >> When I look at the web, >> both Django and Web2Py seems to have about the same capabilities. >> In comparisons Web2Py looks something better, but these comparisons >> are often coloured. >> >> The past days the number of mails in the Web2Py newsgroups is about >> twice as large as in the Django newsgroup. >> About Web2Py, I can buy a book, and didn't found any book about Django. >> I've downloaded both, >> still couldn't get Django working after 15 minutes, >> while Web2Py worked in less than 5 minutes. >> >> What am I missing ? > > Only you can answer that question. It depends on your skillset, what > kind of application you have, performance and other requirements, etc. > > For what it's worth my favourite frameworks at the moment are pylons and > repoze.bfg. > > Wichert > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 21:09:38 +0100 > From: Rick van Hattem <rick.van.hat...@fawo.nl> > Subject: Re: [python-nl] Django or something else ? > To: python-nl@python.org > Message-ID: <200903032109.41680.rick.van.hat...@fawo.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Tuesday 03 March 2009 20:46, Stef Mientki wrote: >> hello, >> >> I'm looking for a way to make web applications, >> especially (medical) questionnaires / surveys. >> >> At the last PUN meeting in Arnhem, >> I asked a few people, and they all told me that Django would be the way >> to go. >> The most important argument was that the Django support / community was >> the largest. >> >> When I look at the web, >> both Django and Web2Py seems to have about the same capabilities. >> In comparisons Web2Py looks something better, but these comparisons are >> often coloured. >> >> The past days the number of mails in the Web2Py newsgroups is about >> twice as large as in the Django newsgroup. >> About Web2Py, I can buy a book, and didn't found any book about Django. >> I've downloaded both, >> still couldn't get Django working after 15 minutes, >> while Web2Py worked in less than 5 minutes. >> >> What am I missing ? >> >> thanks, >> Stef Mientki >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Python-nl mailing list >> Python-nl@python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-nl > > A mailinglist doesn't say everything about community site, but it can be a > nice indication. > > I usually use Google trends to get a usage comparison. This is not a sure way > to measure usage, but it should give a nice indication about the usage. > Here's a link: > http://www.google.com/trends?q=django%2C+web2py%2C+turbogears%2C+zope%2C+pylons&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 > > These numbers might be pretty skewed because Django (Reinhardt) was a very > popular guitarist. > > > As for books, where did you look? > Amazon has 101 results for Django: > http://www.amazon.com/s/qid=1236110729/ref=sr_nr_n_0?ie=UTF8&rs=1000&keywords=django&bbn=5&rnid=1000&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Adjango%2Ci%3Astripbooks%2Cn%3A5 > Amazon has 2 results for Web2Py: > http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b?url=node%3D5&field-keywords=web2py&x=0&y=0 > > > I think you are missing a clear comparison here, have a look at both > frameworks (or possibly, more, there are others) and think about what > features you will need. Which framework suits your needs better? > > -- > Rick van Hattem Rick.van.Hattem(at)Fawo.nl > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 198 bytes > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. > URL: > <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-nl/attachments/20090303/4193ca5f/attachment-0001.pgp> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:14:39 +0100 > From: Stef Mientki <stef.mien...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [python-nl] Django or something else ? > To: python-nl@python.org > Message-ID: <49ad8faf.1020...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Wichert Akkerman wrote: >> On 3/3/09 8:46 PM, Stef Mientki wrote: >>> hello, >>> >>> I'm looking for a way to make web applications, >>> especially (medical) questionnaires / surveys. >>> >>> At the last PUN meeting in Arnhem, >>> I asked a few people, and they all told me that Django would be the >>> way to go. >>> The most important argument was that the Django support / community >>> was the largest. >>> >>> When I look at the web, >>> both Django and Web2Py seems to have about the same capabilities. >>> In comparisons Web2Py looks something better, but these comparisons >>> are often coloured. >>> >>> The past days the number of mails in the Web2Py newsgroups is about >>> twice as large as in the Django newsgroup. >>> About Web2Py, I can buy a book, and didn't found any book about Django. >>> I've downloaded both, >>> still couldn't get Django working after 15 minutes, >>> while Web2Py worked in less than 5 minutes. >>> >>> What am I missing ? >> >> Only you can answer that question. It depends on your skillset, what >> kind of application you have, performance and other requirements, etc. >> >> For what it's worth my favourite frameworks at the moment are pylons >> and repoze.bfg. > thanks Wichert, > > my skills are minimal (and I like to keep it that way), > that's why I choose Python ;-) > I looked at the packages you mentioned, > and as I see more than 10 words on 1 page I don' t understand, > these are definitely not what I'm looking for. > > cheers, > Stef > >> >> Wichert >> _______________________________________________ >> Python-nl mailing list >> Python-nl@python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-nl > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:18:47 +0100 > From: Wichert Akkerman <wich...@wiggy.net> > Subject: Re: [python-nl] Django or something else ? > To: Dutch Python developers and users <python-nl@python.org> > Message-ID: <49ad90a7.5000...@wiggy.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > On 3/3/09 9:14 PM, Stef Mientki wrote: >> my skills are minimal (and I like to keep it that way), >> that's why I choose Python ;-) >> I looked at the packages you mentioned, >> and as I see more than 10 words on 1 page I don' t understand, >> these are definitely not what I'm looking for. > > In other words you are looking for frameworks with excellent > documentation. You can look at: > > * http://pylonshq.com/docs/en/0.9.7/ for pylons > * http://grok.zope.org/ for grok > > Repoze has pretty decent documentation, but only in reference form at > the moment so probably not a good choice. > > I have no idea about Django documentation - there are too many things I > do no like about Django so I have never studied it closely. > > Wichert. > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-nl/attachments/20090303/5c6c02d2/attachment.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Python-nl mailing list > Python-nl@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-nl > > > End of Python-nl Digest, Vol 58, Issue 2 > **************************************** > Hi,
I have no experience with those other frameworks but I must say I believe the Django community is one of the things that makes me love this framework. Documentation is excellent (IMHO) and resources plentiful: Start at: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ or http://www.djangobook.com/ (also in print btw!) http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/DjangoResources For a 'snapshot' of current activity see The Django Community Aggregator: http://www.djangoproject.com/community/ A good book would be: http://www.amazon.com/Definitive-Guide-Django-Development-Right/dp/1590597257 They have a busy IRC channel: irc://irc.freenode.net/django Mailing-lists: http://groups.google.com/group/django-users (users) and http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers (developers) There's quite a few websites dedicated to Django code/snippets: http://www.djangosnippets.org/ http://www.djangoplugables.com/ A custom Google search-query for Django-apps hosted on google-code: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&domains=code.google.com&q=django-+-%3Ainurl%3A%2Fsource+-inurl%3A%2Fwiki+-inurl%3A%2Fsoc&sitesearch=code.google.com I also like to monitor the Delicious Popular Django section: http://delicious.com/popular/django Then there's a number of people blogging e.g: http://www.b-list.org/weblog/categories/django/ http://jacobian.org/tags/django/ http://jtauber.com/django/ http://jeffcroft.com/tags/django/ (more of a frontend perspective) I think you should be able to learn pretty much everything that's Django-related. Best of luck and regards, David Hund (david.h...@gmail.com) http://www.valuedstandards.com _______________________________________________ Python-nl mailing list Python-nl@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-nl
