On 7 February 2012 13:41, Nicholas H.Tollervey <nt...@ntoll.org> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hey David, > > On 07/02/12 11:36, David Read wrote: > > Those of us at last week's London Python Dojo had fun hacking > > together > > A shame I missed it :-( > > > little animated Game of Life simulators. My team's data model was > > based on a set of the alive cells, rather than the world as an > > array / list of lists, and its a choice I pushed for having > > recently read an extremely relevant blog post: > > http://emilybache.blogspot.com/2011/12/global-day-of-code-retreat.html > > I mentioned it to some of the people in the pub afterwards and > > wondered if the rest of you would be interested. > > > > Emily r > > <http://emilybache.blogspot.com/2011/12/global-day-of-code-retreat.html > >uns > > > > > Python Dojos in Gothenburg and provides "clean code" training for > > companies, so practises doing problems like Game of Life time > > after time. She aims for clarity / pythonic-ness and practising > > different coding methods to get high quality. > > > > I was particularly interested to watch her screen cast > > https://s3.amazonaws.com/ryanbigg_screencasts/Game+of+Life+-+Full.mov > > where she goes through her practised version of Game of Life > > whilst demonstrating several of the latest ideas in the TDD world. > > It's quite different to most people's ways of thinking / coding, > > and perhaps won't be to everyone's tastes, but it's definitely food > > for thought! > > > > It's definitely an interesting read. I especially liked the Norvig quote: > > "you can test all you want and if you don’t know how to approach the > problem, you’re not going to get a solution" > > Which chimes with Rich Hickey's (creator of Clojure) "Hammock Driven > Development" (see: > http://blip.tv/clojure/hammock-driven-development-4475586 - definitely > worth a watch all the way through). I.e without thought, wisdom, > exploration or time to reflect on a problem it doesn't matter what *DD > you're practising you're not going to get good results. He also warns > against what he terms "guard-rail" development in > http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Simple-Made-Easy (around the > 14-18min mark) and again emphasises simplicity and understanding > trumps methodology. > Cheers for the links - he is great fun! That analogy about "guard-rail programming" though, it's the old joke about how you'd never buy a car that crashed as often as Windows does! I think I'd liken TDD to concepts such as "cross-referencing", "feeling your way" or a "tight feedback loop". Not that I'm claiming to be an expert or anything. But anyway, vive la difference! I like your idea of 15 minutes planning. I wonder though if presenting them all may have the reverse effect and kill off any maverick designs? Definitely worth trying it out though. Dave > > Given the high-energy coding that happens at the dojo I'm currently > trying to think of a way to preserve the enthusiasm whilst allowing > participants a chance to reflect on the problem without jumping in to > create an unholy mess of spaghetti code. As you may know, I feel very > uncomfortable promoting "one true way" to do development since I think > it's essential that people discover what works best for them after > reflection and exploration of lots of different solutions rather than > forming habits due to a "that's just how it should be done" mentality. > > In any case I was going to suggest a 15minute design-time followed by > a "stand up and explain" session of each group having 1 minute to > explain what they're going to code (erm, sort of lightning-lightning > talks). Of course groups could copy / learn from other's designs. > Let's see what happens next time. :-) > > Thanks Dave for leading me to the blog post. Definitely food for thought! > > N. > > > Dave > > > > > > _______________________________________________ python-uk mailing > > list python-uk@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPMSoDAAoJEP0qBPaYQbb6yHYIAJkpEBw8bmomohRllMTgZMpN > TI4IOeccXW6mi3eAclKNTl95mNa0MEpGD0P0ct/I5xGpsuNHaot9nuGIshqMqGwr > /PkDqSFCBZF33aOeECBb9cEjAzef+Bg+LQJBMrqM5X2rLmRcUonfmE8uORnG0Fsu > f6hHlVCTPdukbHNZbuhNPg/xh1gAbG3q4gsZ1fJdzjRawvnGZcX/t/IqC8a6dT6F > mlK7pI6WYtRu+Hd1W92lRuoV4Nq80dq1c2jKMXTUHqWVbO+ZxYDXX39Y46UruJq/ > 1+kXjjYhichH8F13APScdeaUCiWArDhziORK4bCf5OlcfWb726Ku5Ja1n3Qi1Ls= > =6fp4 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk >
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