This all feels very unpleasant and beyond the scope of the Python UK mailing list. Speaking personally, I subscribe to this list to keep in touch with what is happening in the Python community in a positive and productive sense.
On 23 April 2015 at 18:14, Andy Kilner <gnubl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > "so in the prior 4 years what kind of community involvement does he mean?" > > Jon used to come along to the pyssup meetups I used to organise, that was > about 7 years ago. He did so for a number of years before other meetups > such as DJUGL took off and his eventual rescue when nobody was there to > take it on. His participation was always exemplary taking the time to get > to know the people there and I guess to really get to understand us - > strange breed that we are. He also bought more than his fair share of the > rounds. > > Anand, you know how difficult it is to organise these things (note Jon is > more than just a sponsor) - let's give him a break. > > Cheers > Andy > > On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 at 17:07 Anand Kumria <akum...@acm.org> wrote: > >> Hi Alex, >> >> [ Note, I've changed the subject since this is specific to DJUGL anymore ] >> >> On 22/04/15 15:55, Álex González wrote: >> >> Hi g(uy|irl)s, >> >> my 2 cents here. >> >> As a co-organiser of the Golang meetup I feel the pain of trying to >> find sponsors for food, drinks & some place to host. I had sponsorship >> offers from recruiters but I tried to avoid them for the exact reason that >> you (Anand) are mention, but, let's be honest: >> >> >> I didn't mention any specific reason, please don't put words into my >> mouth. >> >> I don't care who sponsors an event. This is a win-win kind of >> relationship: >> >> >> Rubbish. >> >> You absolutely care. If the Klu Klux Klan decided to sponsor DJUGL, you'd >> be OK with that? >> >> I hope not. What if the Free Software Foundation offered sponsorship? >> >> Each sponsor brings both an agenda and moral baggage. >> >> - recruiters than at least show interest in the techs or in the people >> around the tech will grow their network. I will definitely prefer to talk >> to Jon about my next career movement than with somebody else that just know >> Django as a keyword. >> >> >> That is your choice and, no doubt, part of the agenda behind their >> (Austin Fraser's) sponsorship. >> >> - we, as users of the tech are going to have a great event with dinner >> & beer networking included. >> >> Said that, I understand that you can feel this event as a SPAM kind of >> event, but it's not the case at all >> >> >> Again, please don't put words into my mouth. I've not complained about >> the event. >> I queried it's raison d'être . I also query what it means to say you are >> "part of the community". >> >> You are asking Jon why he doesn't join other meetups, perhaps he >> doesn't want? I don't think that he needs to feel ashamed for that. >> >> >> The thing is, Jon said "I have worked hard over the last 7 years to >> change the typical perception [of recruiters] and become an active member >> of the Django community." >> >> What does "active member of the Django community" mean? Jon, for example, >> also notes that he has been involved with DJUGL for 3 years; so in the >> prior 4 years what kind of community involvement does he mean? >> >> Personally I feel that community involvement is a range of activities, >> the least important of which is organising physical face to face meetings. >> >> Why do I say that? >> >> The Django community - indeed most communities - existed before there >> were physical meetings and will continue to exist when Django becomes just >> another boring technology where there isn't a need to meet others involved >> in it. >> >> Like C, or assembly or COBOL. I'm sure those programmers get together and >> discuss things, but in-person? I'd be surprised. Eventually both Python and >> Django will get to that point. >> >> >> I talked once in one of the DJUGLs and I said that my company was >> hiring, Jon didn't even mention anything about that when he saw my slides >> in advance. >> >> >> That is good to hear. The reports I've heard are not accurate regarding >> mentions of hiring then. >> >> And finally, I also think that is a shame to have 2 events around the >> same technology in the same day or even week. The time is limited and I try >> to suit my calendar to 1 event per week and if I were interested in this 2 >> events I would feel sad that I couldn't assist to bot for time restrictions. >> >> >> Both events are not the same and - arguably - even if they were there are >> different moral imperatives behind them. >> >> Both of you do a great job organising your meetups, let's keep it and >> in case that you can help each other, why not? At the end, the community >> will be the one winning. >> >> >> Community .. it's an easy word to co-opt. But somewhat harder to define. >> >> Thanks for listening. >> >> Cheers, >> Anand >> >> -- >> “Don’t be sad because it’s over. 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