Thanks everyone for the feedback. They are both genuinely excellent positions for the right person. Of course I have lots more info on both roles for anyone who is interested or wishes to recommend someone.
@Steve thanks for your detailed response- will take this onboard Have a good evening all! Sophie On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 4:49 PM, <python-uk-requ...@python.org> wrote: > Send python-uk mailing list submissions to > python-uk@python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > python-uk-requ...@python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > python-uk-ow...@python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of python-uk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: python-uk Digest, Vol 160, Issue 6 (Matthew Webber) > 2. Re: 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to ?95k > (Richard Smith) > 3. Re: 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to ?95k (Tom Wright) > 4. Re: 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to ?95k > (Steve Holden) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 15:12:03 +0000 > From: Matthew Webber <matt...@unsolvable.org> > To: UK Python Users <python-uk@python.org> > Subject: Re: [python-uk] python-uk Digest, Vol 160, Issue 6 > Message-ID: > <CAFQnB9McELgKjLAu03Sz=M8HJUB8ZA1kmhcAV2Ag_f12GX27qQ@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > >> Also my name is Sophie not "recruiter". > Hi Sophie, > My apologies for any offence caused by my part in this. > In fact in my original message, when I said "recruiter" rather than your > name, it was because I didn't want to make it personal. Guess I should have > thought it through a little more! > Matthew > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-uk/ > attachments/20161206/29658f00/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 15:20:36 +0000 > From: Richard Smith <rich...@indigo3.com> > To: UK Python Users <python-uk@python.org> > Subject: Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to > ?95k > Message-ID: > <CAAjPpEc681-x73oXTtNG0QADRr3E=duh1m5pTDUs6 > mgen4x...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 at 14:59 Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com> wrote: > > > +1 > > > > A little innocent fun is OK, but when it runs the risk of being hurtful > > it's probably gone far enough. It would be horrible if the Python > community > > got a name for being snide. > > > > +1 > > While I didn't post, I considered making something of a contribution, which > was, in hindsight not going to be a positive contribution. > > However, lets not forget what the original post was, which is spam. I > object to having that kind of content in my mailbox (have subsequently > added the OP to my shitlist in GApps). > > Dyslexia or not, the content of the opportunities that was advertised were > not of acceptable standard: > > - no salary definitions > - no explanation of benefits > - nothing but a technology stack as way of skills requirements which is > next to pointless > - no info on precise location in London > - naught but a slightly vague title > - a salary carrot on a long stick (the "up to ?95k"). > > It was clear from the OPs post that no thought was put into making the post > and that her intention was simply to float it out there to get some fish > biting. > > Had Sophie made an effort, perhaps I might have been more accommodating. As > it stands, I've no interest in dealing with lazy recruitment agents. > > ~ Rich > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-uk/ > attachments/20161206/3531b3c4/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 15:29:35 +0000 > From: Tom Wright <t...@tatw.name> > To: UK Python Users <python-uk@python.org> > Subject: Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to > ?95k > Message-ID: > <CAErUCposT+cgs-gxp3ss_Qe+9WSGt6hApcK4cgo97-SVxb2ApA@ > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Perhaps replying immediately doesn't count as pause, but I hope this > constitutes thought. > > I would make three points: > > I. The tone of the response may in part be due to the recruitment topic > more than anything else. This is unfortunately a rather fraught subject. > Bulk recruitment ads are so common it is unsurprising that people would > view them as a piece of text rather than a correspondence with a real > person. > > II. I suspect that many readers do not view this list as for communication > that requires "professional" standards. And might view the imposition of > professionalism in this context as problematic. > > This represents the key conflict at the heart of codes of conduct: in-group > behaviour that can be damagingly exclusionary, versus the imposition of > strict rules that impinge upon an informal setting. > > III. I don't know if the guidance on this list for jobs posts is > particularly clear, and if I am not mistaken is mostly held in people's > heads. An unfortunate side effect of no clearly defined rules is that the > informal rules can be unforced rather unfriendlily. > > On 6 Dec 2016 1:46 p.m., "David Wilson" <dw+python...@hmmz.org> wrote: > > > While I quite enjoyed this thread and, especially considering the > > recruiter's followup, it appears to have somewhat been in bad taste. > > > > I can't speak for others, but I'm in my mid 30s and regularly confuse > > license/licence, prescribe/proscribe and without doubt a bunch more, > > either through finger memory or plain old thinko. It would not be > > without embarrassment to have strangers publicly ridicule such errors, > > especially in a professional context as occurred here. > > > > This is a minor incident, but it's from a class where the underlying > > insensitivity has forced other communities to grow a Code of Conduct, > > therefore perhaps it's worth taking a little pause to reflect on it. > > > > > > David > > > > On Tue, Dec 06, 2016 at 01:57:00PM +0000, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote: > > > On 06/12/16 13:20, Roger Gammans wrote: > > > > If your set of Prinicpia is Russell's not Newton's you may not > > > > have simple values. > > > > > > Our principal aim is to express a complete and consistent set of > > > misspelled principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > python-uk mailing list > > > python-uk@python.org > > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > > python-uk mailing list > > python-uk@python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-uk/ > attachments/20161206/18e4e3ea/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 16:49:49 +0000 > From: Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com> > To: UK Python Users <python-uk@python.org> > Subject: Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to > ?95k > Message-ID: > <CAMofdRAOJtCffrwug5JsUjp_zp-X+cfEwRRLk7iS2dg-TZuQRg@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Yes, it's a pity the more rational feedback didn't come first, but knees do > tend to jerk at recruitment communications. S > > Steve Holden > > On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Tom Wright <t...@tatw.name> wrote: > > > Perhaps replying immediately doesn't count as pause, but I hope this > > constitutes thought. > > > > I would make three points: > > > > I. The tone of the response may in part be due to the recruitment topic > > more than anything else. This is unfortunately a rather fraught subject. > > Bulk recruitment ads are so common it is unsurprising that people would > > view them as a piece of text rather than a correspondence with a real > > person. > > > > II. I suspect that many readers do not view this list as for > communication > > that requires "professional" standards. And might view the imposition of > > professionalism in this context as problematic. > > > > This represents the key conflict at the heart of codes of conduct: > > in-group behaviour that can be damagingly exclusionary, versus the > > imposition of strict rules that impinge upon an informal setting. > > > > III. I don't know if the guidance on this list for jobs posts is > > particularly clear, and if I am not mistaken is mostly held in people's > > heads. An unfortunate side effect of no clearly defined rules is that the > > informal rules can be unforced rather unfriendlily. > > > > On 6 Dec 2016 1:46 p.m., "David Wilson" <dw+python...@hmmz.org> wrote: > > > >> While I quite enjoyed this thread and, especially considering the > >> recruiter's followup, it appears to have somewhat been in bad taste. > >> > >> I can't speak for others, but I'm in my mid 30s and regularly confuse > >> license/licence, prescribe/proscribe and without doubt a bunch more, > >> either through finger memory or plain old thinko. It would not be > >> without embarrassment to have strangers publicly ridicule such errors, > >> especially in a professional context as occurred here. > >> > >> This is a minor incident, but it's from a class where the underlying > >> insensitivity has forced other communities to grow a Code of Conduct, > >> therefore perhaps it's worth taking a little pause to reflect on it. > >> > >> > >> David > >> > >> On Tue, Dec 06, 2016 at 01:57:00PM +0000, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote: > >> > On 06/12/16 13:20, Roger Gammans wrote: > >> > > If your set of Prinicpia is Russell's not Newton's you may not > >> > > have simple values. > >> > > >> > Our principal aim is to express a complete and consistent set of > >> > misspelled principles. > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > python-uk mailing list > >> > python-uk@python.org > >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> python-uk mailing list > >> python-uk@python.org > >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > python-uk mailing list > > python-uk@python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-uk/ > attachments/20161206/ceae7f61/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > ------------------------------ > > End of python-uk Digest, Vol 160, Issue 9 > ***************************************** > -- Sophie Hendley| Principal Consultant| Digital Vision *M:* 07505145903 *E: *sophie.hend...@digvis.co.uk *W:* www.digvis.co.uk Sponsor me please!!!!- https://www.justgiving.com/sophiehendley/
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