To be fairly honest I for one agree with both parties. Having a CoC for an email list is a silly idea and brings literally nothing to the table.
Now I do think Richard proved that ppl can be rude or "offensive" on the web to a certain degree, but I do think he makes fair points about the initial post. I don't believe the recruiter was guilt free, as the post was clearly spam. And yes I would have referred to Sophie as "the recruiter" as well because I don't (personally) care about the gender or whatever but I do care about what she was trying to convey. It's 2017 guys (*sighs* and girls), getting offended over words on the Internet is ridiculous imho. Take a walk or something. On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 1:18 PM, <python-uk-requ...@python.org> wrote: > Send python-uk mailing list submissions to > python-uk@python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > python-uk-requ...@python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > python-uk-ow...@python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of python-uk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to ?95k > (Steve Holden) > 2. Re: 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to ?95k > (Steve Holden) > 3. Re: 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to ?95k > (Thomas Kluyver) > 4. Re: 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to ?95k (Pepper R.) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 12:49:15 +0000 > From: Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com> > To: UK Python Users <python-uk@python.org> > Subject: Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to > ?95k > Message-ID: > <CAMofdRCQOXD+12vnnscnm+mCsd3+pe7ZC-ffr9inMO1Zp-0Lww@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Great heavens, I'd have thought it was obvious that anyone telling a woman > to "get a pair of balls" clearly has trouble perceiving women and men > through the same set of filters. And now you involve the deity, albeit as a > free variable. Then you interpret civil (though critical) comments about > your behaviour (rather than about you) as personal bullying. > > I am struggling to understand your world view. S > > Steve Holden > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Richard Smith <rich...@indigo3.com> > wrote: > > > On Wed, 7 Dec 2016 at 12:33 Daniele Procida <dani...@vurt.org> wrote: > > > >> So, you are literally saying that the only way to get by here is by > being > >> a man. > >> > >> I see Sophie's problem all too clearly. > > > > > > *blink*[0] > > > > Words escape me to explain quite how moronic that statement is. Let me > > rephrase for your benefit[1]: > > > > For getattr(universe, 'deity')'s sake, grow up and talk to people. > > > > Now who's getting personal and going off on the bullying. That's > enough... > > I'm out of here. > > > > ~ Rich > > > > [0] I know, I said I wouldn't contribute further, but this entire > response > > requires something > > [1] I honestly can't believe you think *that* has any bearing on my > > opinion or thinking. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > python-uk mailing list > > python-uk@python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-uk/ > attachments/20161207/892f36a0/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 12:51:03 +0000 > From: Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com> > To: UK Python Users <python-uk@python.org> > Subject: Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to > ?95k > Message-ID: > <CAMofdRBpjQQ79ESTMZpWknOb82nrbhch0nLWpeyBhG0bpui9SA@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Richard Barran < > rich...@arbee-design.co.uk> > wrote: > > > I am reading your last 2 sentences and I hope I?m horribly > > misunderstanding your post; I?m reading that you are implying that I was > > picking on someone?s disability. Could you just confirm that I?ve got it > > completely wrong? > > > > I'd have thought that was meant as a general injunction to us all rather > than guidance intended for you personally. But other interpretations are > possible. Personally I try to err on the side o fth emost charitable, in > the interests of keeping email volumes down ;-) > > regards > Steve > > Steve Holden > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-uk/ > attachments/20161207/1b54e2c1/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 13:12:17 +0000 > From: Thomas Kluyver <tho...@kluyver.me.uk> > To: python-uk@python.org > Subject: Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to > ?95k > Message-ID: > <1481116337.597627.811322681.3a956...@webmail.messagingengine.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Richard Smith wrote: > > > <snip judgmental PC bollocks handwringing> > > > ... > > > For getattr(universe, 'deity')'s sake, grow some balls and talk > > to people. > ... > > > Words escape me to explain quite how moronic that statement is. > > > > Now you are unquestionably being rude to first Cory, then Daniele. The > more messages like this I see, the more I agree that a code of conduct > is necessary. If you don't think CoCs are necessary, please demonstrate > that by remaining civil in the absence of one. > > > Thomas > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-uk/ > attachments/20161207/ed7c62c3/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 07:45:57 +0000 > From: Pepper R. <ryan.pep...@soton.ac.uk> > To: UK Python Users <python-uk@python.org> > Subject: Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to > ?95k > Message-ID: > <C296D9780EC037C5.13450E39-741B-4585-A1C7-C7E5EE1AE68E@ > mail.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Once again, the volume of discussion on whether recruitment emails are > appropriate for the list is larger than the volume of recruitment emails we > get on this list.... > > > > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 4:19 AM +0000, "Daniele Procida" <dani...@vurt.org > <mailto:dani...@vurt.org>> wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 6, 2016, Richard Smith <rich...@indigo3.com> wrote: > > >However, lets not forget what the original post was, which is spam. I > >object to having that kind of content in my mailbox (have subsequently > >added the OP to my shitlist in GApps). > > It wasn't spam. We have discussed several times whether recruitment > messages are welcome here. To date, we've not come to any consensus that > they are not. > > >It was clear from the OPs post that no thought was put into making the > post > >and that her intention was simply to float it out there to get some fish > >biting. > > > >Had Sophie made an effort, perhaps I might have been more accommodating. > As > >it stands, I've no interest in dealing with lazy recruitment agents. > > This is rudeness bordering on abuse, and it's definitely not acceptable on > this email list. > > Daniele > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > python-uk@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > > > ------------------------------ > > End of python-uk Digest, Vol 160, Issue 18 > ****************************************** >
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