On 9-feb-2006, at 22:14, Bob Ippolito wrote:

I've got a great deal of respect and appreciation for those, like Bob
and Ronald, working hard on advancing the technology pieces.  Great
work, just what we all need!  But unless there's some effective
delivery vehicle for getting that work to the customer, much of it
will be wasted.

It's not a waste because the work done helps me accomplish what I
need to do.  I do it because I need it to be done, not because I want
to help people.  I do a lot of things to help people, but that's
rarely ever my primary motivation in the context of open source.

There's an open invitation for someone to coddle new users and
maintain a straightforward web presence.  We all know that it would
be beneficial, and it's time for someone to step up and do it
already.  It's been discussed ad nauseam for the past few years, but
talking apparently doesn't make anything happen.

I want to second that :-). I work on Python on OSX because I use Python
on OSX. To be blunt, I don't really care about end-users beyond what I'm
doing now.

Ronald

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