Thanks for your reply and the reference to the website.  I have one point
of confusion.  There is PyObjC I've snipped out most of the email history to 
focus
on one thing:

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 08:59:57AM +0200, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
> 
> On 29 Jul, 2012, at 0:51, John Velman <vel...@cox.net> wrote:
> 
> > I'm on OSX 10.7.4 (and will probably move to 10.8 soon).  My XCode is
> > 4.3.3.
...[snip]
> 
> >   - PyObjC is no longer included in XCode (WRONG).
> 
> That one is actually true, there are no PyObjC templates shipped with Xcode.
> 
> PyObjC is still shipped with OSX though.

My claim that this was wrong was based on the following:
I have XCode 4.3.3 which is shipped as an application. The
PyObjC api is certainly in there, although it is well hidden.  I found it
by doing find . -iname "*pyobjc*" from the Contents directory of the app.
This yields, for example:

------
./Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.7.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/Extras/lib/python/PyObjC

------

But Python.framework with in the System/Library, 
/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/Extras/lib/python

In fact the PyObjC folder in the XCode.app library is *only* a couple .h files,
about 20KB, while the folder in the System/Library is extensive and weighs in at
about 5 MB.

The Python.framework that shows up in my program is actually the one from
XCode.app.  But Xcode knows how to find what it needs in System,
apparently.

This is already more than I need to know, but this arrangement helped keep me 
confused when
I was trying to get started.

(I don't much care about the templates at the moment.)

Thanks again, and also thanks for your work on PyObjC!

John Velman

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