Hi Tom,

On Tue, 2 Nov 2021 at 10:57, Tom Rini <tr...@konsulko.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 02, 2021 at 08:59:45AM -0600, Simon Glass wrote:
> > Hi François,
> >
> > On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 at 11:33, François Ozog <francois.o...@linaro.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Simon
> > >
> > > Le lun. 1 nov. 2021 à 17:58, Simon Glass <s...@chromium.org> a écrit :
> > >>
> > >> Hi Peter,
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 at 04:48, Peter Maydell <peter.mayd...@linaro.org> 
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 01:33, Simon Glass <s...@chromium.org> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Add this file, generated from qemu, so there is a reference 
> > >> > > devicetree
> > >> > > in the U-Boot tree.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Signed-off-by: Simon Glass <s...@chromium.org>
> > >> >
> > >> > Note that the dtb you get from QEMU is only guaranteed to work if:
> > >> >  1) you run it on the exact same QEMU version you generated it with
> > >> >  2) you pass QEMU the exact same command line arguments you used
> > >> >     when you generated it
> > >>
> > >> Yes, I certainly understand that. In general this is not safe, but in
> > >> practice it works well enough for development and CI.
> > >
> > > You recognize that you hijack a product directory with development hack 
> > > facility. There is a test directory to keep things clear. There can be a 
> > > dev-dts or something similar for Dev time tools.
> > > I have only seen push back on those fake dts files in the dts directory: 
> > > I guess that unless someone strongly favors a continuation of the 
> > > discussion, you may consider re-shaping the proposal to address concerns.
> >
> > As stated previously, I would like to have at least a sample DT
> > in-tree for all boards. I cannot see another way to get the Kconfig
>
> What's the point of having a sample when it's not going to always be
> correct or may be actively wrong and we can tell interested developers /
> users how to get the correct DTB/DTS to examine?
>
> > options in line. If we are able to put these files somewhere else in
> > the future and get them out of U-Boot, with perhaps just an overlay
> > for development purposes, I'd be keen to see it. But for now, this is
> > where we are, I believe.
> >
> > In this particular case, this is not just a dev hack. It is also for
> > CI tests which need to use a devicetree. See for example here:
> >
> > https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/uboot/patch/20211101011734.1614781-15-...@chromium.org/
> > https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/uboot/patch/20211101011734.1614781-24-...@chromium.org/
>
> This example would probably be better done on vexpress_ca9x4 where we do
> test in CI via QEMU but do not need to modify a device tree that is
> passed on to us, we already control the source of truth DTB in this
> case.

But that board:

- uses OF_EMBED, which it should not
- does not use SPL, which I need

>
> And also yes, I'm behind on reviewing things I need to review.

Aren't we all...I can't even keep up with these threads.

Regards,
Simon

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