On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Alex Mandel <[email protected]>wrote:
> On 05/06/2013 07:40 AM, Ivan Mincik wrote: > >> On 05/06/2013 03:50 PM, Jürgen E. Fischer wrote: >> >>> Hi Ivan, >>> >>> On Mon, 06. May 2013 at 14:58:55 +0200, Ivan Mincik wrote: >>> >>>> I wonder if ubuntugis PPA could be a recommended and only one repository >>>> for QGIS 2.0 on Ubuntu instead of distribution packaged version and >>>> package from 'http://qgis.org/debian'. >>>> >>> >>> Recommended: ok. >>> Only: why? >>> >>> I don't see the problem with a less intrusive version (ie. qgis on plain >>> ubuntu) and a more intrusive version (ie. qgis on ubuntugis). >>> >> >> Ubuntu distribution packages stick with 1.7 version which is obsolete. >> >> > That's a function of inheriting official packages from upstream Debian. > Get newer versions into Debian and it trickles down. Yes, I understand. > > > >>> Switching between the same versions from different repositories might be >>> a >>> problem, but I suppose that doesn't happen often. >>> >> > I think new users get confused about which one they really want and the > reality is most actually want the Master builds because of features (but > that's impractical because of stability). So we should make one of the > options the Recommended. For me this has always been ubuntugis-unstable, > primarily because the newer gdal builds support the formats people are > trying to work with and some of the nastier bugs occur there (if you can't > read/write your data everything else is pointless). > > > >>> Maintaining both versions wasn't a big problem in the past, so I don't >>> expect it >>> be come one in future. >>> >> >> Maybe a bug fixing could be easier when you deal for example with lesser >> GDAL versions. Also when a time goes on distribution libraries goes >> older and more version dependent workarounds must be provided (for >> example GDAL 1.10 has better support for PostGIS raster and SpatiaLite) >> >> >>> The packages are only built on release, with the current dependencies at >>> that >>> point - and only updated, when manually when necessary. But that also >>> applies >>> to both repositories. >>> >>> >> PPA build could be less error prone than self made PBuilder. I am often >> not sure if my pbuilder updated build deps when building packages >> depending each other. >> >> >> >>> What needs to be done ?: >>>> >>> >>> 1. Fine tuned Debian 'control' file to prevent conflicting installation >>>> of >>>> packages after upgrading from distribution packages to UbuntuGIS >>>> (this is the case for example in GDAL) >>>> >>> >>> 0. Report those problems. >>> >> >> Yes, I am going to fix them in my PPA and send a patch. But I am not >> sure where reports for PPAs should be submitted. >> >> http://trac.osgeo.org/**ubuntugis/ <http://trac.osgeo.org/ubuntugis/> > > Unless it's an error in the DebianGIS version which we pull from their git > repo. I need to go looking for where to report those besides mailing list > and IRC. Thanks for info. > > > >>> >>> 2. More clearly described relation between ubuntugis-stable and >>>> ubuntugis-unstable repositories (when the packages move from >>>> unstable to >>>> stable ...) >>>> >>> >>> Yes, that would be nice to know - I only upload to ubuntugis-unstable ;) >>> >> >> > That is the correct place. Sadly the naming convention borrowed from > Debian causes nothing but confusion. > Testing - where to put stuff when you're not sure if it will work. > Unstable - where you put stuff you want people to use. > Stable - where we move things to from Unstable when a newer version is > staged to go into unstable, so that if you want to stick to the older one > you can by switching to stable. Or if you need to get the older version or > older deps for some reason (regressions). Hm, if it is like this, it is really sooo confusing. Is there any possibility to improve this workflow ? > > > What I am missing for PPAs is some kind of wiki where these informations >> could be placed. >> >> > http://trac.osgeo.org/**ubuntugis/ <http://trac.osgeo.org/ubuntugis/> > > Thanks, > Alex >
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