I knew it, but that's explains why QGIS Server is so much better ;-) On 10/06/20 11:34, Marco Bernasocchi wrote: > Heck yes, Thanks Ray for the idea of a lighthearted historical deep dive > > QGIS server [0], [1] > - 2011 -> Born, (QGIS 1.6 - 27.11.2010) > > Geoserver [2] > - 2002 -> Born? (0.9) > - 2003 -> 1.0 > - 2011 -> 2.1.3 > > Mapserver [3] > - 1994 -> Born > - 1997 -> 1.0 > - 2011 -> 6.0 > > So we can be 9y behind Geoserver and 17y behind mapserver ;) > > Cheers all and keep up the amazing work, and thanks Jonathan for > triggering the interesting discussion > > Marco > > [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20101130113806/http://blog.qgis.org/node/146 > [1] > https://web.archive.org/web/20111010211800/http://linfiniti.com/2010/08/qgis-mapserver-a-wms-server-for-the-masses/ > [2] https://sourceforge.net/projects/geoserver/files/GeoServer/ > [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MapServer > > On 09.06.20 08:38, Raymond Nijssen wrote: >> And imagine that >> >> Mapserver 1.0, >> GeoServer 1.0 and >> QGIS Server 1.0 >> >> had all been released at the same date. What would these deployment >> numbers have been like now? >> >> Regards, >> Raymond >> >> >> On 09-06-2020 01:18, Nyall Dawson wrote: >>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2020 at 09:12, Tim Sutton <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> >>>> Nice, thoughtful message below, thanks Jonathon. I wonder what it >>>> will take to move the needle above 1%? And whether we should try to >>>> use our funds to make that happen. QGIS is surely the most >>>> expressive way to do cartography of any GIS out there (acknowledging >>>> total bias on my part) and seeing that cartography on the web would >>>> surely please many people. Clients like QWC, QWC2 or anything that >>>> requires you to hand edit a config file or log into a unix shell to >>>> publish map services are probably the main limitation (no offence to >>>> those tools). Also the lack of an built in tiling server (with >>>> proper metalling and meta buffering) must surely be the other. >>>> Maybe a more useful approach to your discussion below would be to >>>> promote funding the elements that add resistance to deploying QGIS >>>> server……but then we would be in new feature space and circling back >>>> to the idea of not funding QGIS Server with grants….. >>> >>> Something else to consider is whether technologies like WMS are >>> ultimately just "dead end" technologies now, and possibly we'd be >>> better off focusing on client side rendering of vector features from a >>> server (QGIS or other), and providing a library which can do >>> client-side rendering of vector tiles from QGIS symbology in as close >>> to 1:1 as possible... >>> >>> Nyall >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> On 8 Jun 2020, at 21:42, Jonathan Moules >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi List, >>>> Some of you may have seen my blog post on the OSGeo-Discuss list >>>> about which mapping servers are the most deployed. For those who >>>> haven't seen it, QGIS Server has about 60 public deployments (1% of >>>> all of them), and it serves 11,924 datasets (0.5% of all public >>>> geospatial WMS/WFS/WCS/WMTS datasets). >>>> >>>> Potentially controversial here and I appreciate it's not a >>>> competition, but given the low uptake of QGIS Server compared to >>>> other Open Source offerings (GeoServer: 964 deployments, 963,603 >>>> datasets; MapServer: 544 deployments, 389,709 datasets), is QGIS >>>> Server something the grant program should be funding? There are >>>> three Server proposals totalling €10,000, 22% of the fund. >>>> >>>> Now, before you get the pitchforks out(!), please consider the >>>> following: >>>> >>>> * Zero sum game - Any money spent on QGIS Server cannot be spent on >>>> QGIS Desktop. (The grants mostly aren't things that will improve the >>>> shared QGIS Core). (This reasoning also follows through to OSGeo >>>> funds). >>>> >>>> * Multiple solutions - Open Source (and OSGeo) already has a very >>>> healthy ecosystem of mapping servers - does it need another one? >>>> >>>> * Limited number of users benefited - I don't have stats for it, but >>>> QGIS Desktop is probably the most popular Open Source Desktop GIS, >>>> and is certainly going to have many orders of magnitude more users >>>> than QGIS Server. >>>> >>>> * Playing to your strengths - QGIS' strength is it's Desktop and >>>> it's generally good practice to play to your strengths. >>>> >>>> >>>> So given the above, and that QGIS is already "winning" as an Open >>>> Source Desktop (great job!), I'd like to suggest it's not a good >>>> idea to dilute the limited resources by spending them on QGIS >>>> Server. Instead it seems that far more people would benefit if that >>>> money was spent on Desktop, especially the bug fixing programme. >>>> >>>> Or alternatively, given the "Unique Selling Point" of QGIS Server is >>>> its integration with QGIS Desktop, those resources could be used to >>>> further improve interoperability with >>>> GeoServer/MapServer/deegree/etc. Those are all successful mature >>>> OSGeo projects that excel at serving maps, have an architecture >>>> designed for it, and already have huge install bases. >>>> >>>> TLDR: QGIS excels at being a Desktop, and I'd like to suggest it >>>> should play to its strengths and focus its limited funds there to >>>> benefit the most users. >>>> >>>> I shall now retreat to my bunker. :-) >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Jonathan >>>> >>>> Note: The above only applies to the Grant program and funding; how >>>> developers wish to spend their time, and on which projects is of >>>> course their own prerogative. >>>> >>>> (Disclosure: I have no horse in this race; I don't run or administer >>>> any mapping servers, but I have done GeoServer in the past.) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> QGIS-Developer mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer >>>> >>>> >>>> — >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Tim Sutton >>>> >>>> Co-founder: Kartoza >>>> Ex Project chair: QGIS.org >>>> >>>> Visit http://kartoza.com to find out about open source: >>>> >>>> Desktop GIS programming services >>>> Geospatial web development >>>> GIS Training >>>> Consulting Services >>>> >>>> Skype: timlinux >>>> IRC: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net >>>> >>>> I'd love to connect. 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