Hi before that all gets to personal .. I never said that you are incompetent .. I even said that I'd like to have you with us to make QGIS better on Windows.
And yes - you are right there are a lot users out there that never get to choose the OS - but I don't know why you assume that they all use Windows.. And like you say in the first sentence .. "with all GRASS and Gdal dependencies working from the start" - with QGIS that are at least three independent projects - that try to work together but .. well it's open source .. you can do with it whatever you want .. And if i remember correct GRASS has been started as a *NIX only project .. And is now also working on Windows. And.. I'm not doing any windows build - and I try to avoid windows whenever I can. I don't say that Windows is a bad operating system.. But I would have never discovered Linux when my Windows would have been stable a lot of years ago. And - Yes also to "the world has changed" .. XP is stable and running smooth in my Company.. but why should I switch when I'm more then satisfied with what I have.. Before thats getting out of GIS and into a pro/contra Linux/Windows discussion I invite you again to work with us on a stable and functional Windows build of QGIS. (Beside that I surely don't think that I'm not a normal person). Please don't take it all too personal.. I'm just a bit disappointed that people want free software.. Complain about broken things.. But stop using it instead of taking the opportunity to give back and help the community. And .. I agree that it is not a good idea to discuss such things on a GIS mailing list.. I apologize if some of my words have been too offending. English is not my mothers tongue too - so probably something gets written in an other way that it was meant to be understood. ... and i still hope you'll come back some day.. best wishes Werner > Ok I'll take it all back the minute somebody writes to this list and > reports a flawless, standalone QGis installation on any Windows system > with all GRASS and Gdal dependencies working from the start. > > Don't you realize that many users never get to choose OS? > Or needs to cooperate in environments where there is no choice? > > And I am really insulted by the accusation that I as a Windows user, > automatically is regarded as an incompetent user with no care or > concern about my system. I've worked with computers since 1984 and I > have learned to take care of most problems. And I have invested lots > of time and love and money doing that. > I am using ESRI products. I am using MapInfo products. I am using FME. > I am using MicroStation. And I am using Windows. I would like to > confidently add QGis to my toolbox too, but resent being looked down > upon. You seem to regard Windows as something the dog dragged in, > writing 'people fiddling > around with a Windows build' and so on. > > See if you can find it in your heart to indulge with us ordinary > people who *has* to use Windows but still likes GIS and Open Source. I > think the QGis user community would grow and profit from that, and > open source efforts must behave like other software to gain > acceptance. > I will not debate this further. > > Regards, Mats.E > > 2009/11/29 Werner Macho <[email protected]> > Hi all! > > Usually I just don't answer to such emails but in this case I > completely > agree with Paolo. Moreover I'd like to say that nobody is > forced to use > Linux. Just use the operating system you think that is best > for you. > > And as paolo said it seems that you're a user that don't want > to invest > something (time, money, love). So what? - if you use Windows - > you > obviously have enough money to buy it - so what about using > GIS Software > written just for Windows? (ESRI?) > > It is indeed just easier to compile and write open software > with and > under open software (sic!) > > I for my person can just say a big thank you to all the people > fiddling > around with a Windows build .. and releasing QGIS also for > Windows. > (brings me to the question why MapWindow is Windows only) > > I like the viewpoint of not asking which program is running > best on my > OS rather then which OS is working best with the program i > like to use. > > Complaining about things others created is the easiest way to > go.. Come > on join us - and bring your experience with windows to QGIS. I > know > thats the harder way - but much more people would benefit > from this way > then from a complaining mail (wheres the bugreport?) and not > recommending QGIS for Windows systems. > > But I still hope that you give QGIS a try from time to time > when windows > support is improved.. > > regards > Werner > > > > On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 15:47 +0100, Paolo Cavallini wrote: > > Mats Elfström ha scritto: > > > There are dozens of Mac and Linux versions with funny > names but only two > > > Windows versions that apparently never works > satisfactorily. > > > I have all but given up recommending QGis for Windows > systems. > > > > Hi Mats. > > I think you are wrong: I do not use windows myself, but I am > running a looong series > > of very successful courses, most of them on windows, and I > always report all the > > problems encountered (see trac issues), which are very > occasionally different on > > windows systems because of specific idiosyncrasies. The same > can be said of OSX systems. > > What is true is that many (but not all, fortunately) windows > users pretend a system > > that just works, without bothering to invest anything (time, > money, love) on it. This > > is not how free software works. If you are using a piece of > software, and you find a > > problem, you have the choice of fixing it yourself, or pay > someone to fix it. Of > > course, you can always complain about it and/or stop using > the program, it's your > > choice, but IMHO this is not the best option. > > All the best. > > > >
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