Arc is what is taught in US schools but the switch to Q is not that hard. in fact from a students perspective I feel that by learning from different perspectives one can learn better. Here in Portland the whole public transit system switched onto Q and I intend to work in Q once I start out in the field. Arc is a fine suite of tools but they cost money - from what I can tell , learning Python, R and some kind of open source graphics program, spreadsheet, also Q cost nothing licence wise and are collectively a decent skill set to start out a career in GIS.
I complete my assignments in arc but pursue side projects in Q because I know once I am out of school I won't have the license anymore, plus Q can do the job just as well anyway. On Dec 16, 2016 3:35 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Qgis-user mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Qgis-user digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice (Blumentrath, Stefan) > 2. Re: QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice (Erik Meerburg) > 3. Re: QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice (Nicolas Cadieux) > 4. Re: QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice (Innisfree McKinnon) > 5. Re: QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice (Nyall Dawson) > 6. Digitising a vector line by measurement (Paul Shapley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 19:54:49 +0000 > From: "Blumentrath, Stefan" <[email protected]> > To: Markus Weidenbach <[email protected]>, > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > > There is http://gisgeography.com/mapping-out-gis-software-landscape/ > > Which hopelessly overrates ArcGIS, also because of a US centric > perspective. However, the Authors use Google trends and statistics on > GIS.SE to rank popularity of GIS. And if you do that QGIS is nr. 1 in > Europe at least. Note also the trend in the google trends curves, esp. If > you take Italy as an example. > People close to retirement can probably stick to Arc, but people who are > students now will have to learn open source in their career, no doubt... > Even in a rich country like norway a significat number of university > courses on GIS (esp. such related to ecology) switched to Open Source and > mostly QGIS... > > Cheers > Stefan > ________________________________________ > Von: Qgis-user [[email protected]] im Auftrag von Markus > Weidenbach [[email protected]] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Dezember 2016 20:07 > An: [email protected] > Betreff: [Qgis-user] QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice > > Dear List, > > I was asked to give a 5 days international GIS training course at the > university and proposed to do it with QGIS. The program leader finally > insisted on doing it with ArcGIS arguing that the students had better > chances to find a job knowing ArcGIS rather than QGIS. This argumentation > does not reflect my long professional experience as a GIS consultant at all! > But how can I proof that knowing QGIS is the better choice for young GIS > professionals than ArcGIS (or at least that both systems are equally > suited)? > Does anybody know any official numbers of GIS users worldwide or on the > worldwide application of QGIS over ArcGIS? > > I know the Master thesis from Boku Vienna (https://geoobserver. > wordpress.com/2016/02/09/arcgis-vs-qgis/) but it is focused on a > technical comparison of both systems only. > Also the link https://www.g2crowd.com/grid_report/documents/gis-winter- > 2016-report is not really helpful because it is based on some 40 reviews > only and therefore not representative. > I really need to know some proven facts on the number of global QGIS users > and renown companies using QGIS worldwide. > > Thanks for your help in advance, > Markus > > -- > Dr. Markus Weidenbach > landConsult.de > Geographical Information Management > and Environmental Planning > D-77815 Bühl > Germany > e.mail see: http://landConsult.de > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 23:04:35 +0100 > From: Erik Meerburg <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > Markus, > > Imho, especially at a university you shouldn't teach specific software > at all. Teach the students spatial thinking, generic geospatial tools > and how (and why!) they work, knowing how to tackle a problem with (any) > GIS, and leave the software choice open to the students, where you as a > teacher can can offer to help them in two or even three different > specific brands. > > Any university that prescribes specific software where more then one > (good) option is available should be ashamed of itself. Think of it as a > Car University that only teaches Ford-specific things. No matter how you > look at it, that is bad. Even if they would promote QGIS or Open Source > GIS as a whole that way, it would still be bad because you would not be > tought about alternatives. Well, maybe that's one for the future ;-). > > Okay, one exception maybe: if the training includes writing new plugins > or other extras to an existing software project. In that case, > prescribing to build that for that specific project seems fine to me. > but if it's about *using *GIS, ah well. Think I've made my point clear > enough. > > So, maybe I'm pushing a bit away from the choice between Arc and Q, but > you might consider the case of doing (at least) both. > > Erik. > > > Op 15-12-2016 om 20:07 schreef Markus Weidenbach: > > Dear List, > > > > I was asked to give a 5 days international GIS training course at the > > university and proposed to do it with QGIS. The program leader finally > > insisted on doing it with ArcGIS arguing that the students had better > > chances to find a job knowing ArcGIS rather than QGIS. This > > argumentation does not reflect my long professional experience as a > > GIS consultant at all! > > But how can I proof that knowing QGIS is the better choice for young > > GIS professionals than ArcGIS (or at least that both systems are > > equally suited)? > > Does anybody know any official numbers of GIS users worldwide or on > > the worldwide application of QGIS over ArcGIS? > > > > I know the Master thesis from Boku Vienna > > (https://geoobserver.wordpress.com/2016/02/09/arcgis-vs-qgis/) but it > > is focused on a technical comparison of both systems only. > > Also the link > > https://www.g2crowd.com/grid_report/documents/gis-winter-2016-report > > is not really helpful because it is based on some 40 reviews only and > > therefore not representative. > > I really need to know some proven facts on the number of global QGIS > > users and renown companies using QGIS worldwide. > > > > Thanks for your help in advance, > > Markus > > > > -- > > Dr. Markus Weidenbach > > *landConsult.de* > > Geographical Information Management > > and Environmental Planning > > D-77815 Bühl > > Germany > > e.mail see: http://landConsult.de > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Qgis-user mailing list > > [email protected] > > List info: http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > > Unsubscribe: http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > > -- > Erik Meerburg Directeur Geo Academie (06) 2816 7631 [email protected] > /Op 1 april 2016 start Kwaliteit in Webservices weer Alle ins & outs > over geo op het web in 10 vrijdagen!/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-user/ > attachments/20161215/22844316/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:38:30 -0700 (MST) > From: Nicolas Cadieux <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi, > > This is a good question! My answer would be that students have a better > chance of having a job if the learn GIS and not a software. The software > is only a tool! If they have an ArcGIS licence at the university and can > use it year round with the university, they could learn with that. > > My experience is that afterwards, they will either pirate the software or > abandons GIS because they cannot pay for the software. Also, more and more > students are on Macs and ArcGIS will not work unless you have a dual boot, > a virtual PC or a online licence. > > Also, if you want to just use a software as a technician and make GIS > research, you can use ArcGIS. If you want a really good paying job and > want to be able learn how to develop software and develop GIS, then QGIS or > OpenSource is the way to go! > > To think that learning GIS = learning a software is short sighted. Would > you trust a statistician if all he learned in university is how to use a > particular software or would you prefer someone who really knows what > statistics are all about??? > > Nicolas > > > > > > Le 15 déc. 2016 à 14:18, Markus Weidenbach [via OSGeo.org] < > [email protected]> a écrit : > > > > Dear List, > > > > I was asked to give a 5 days international GIS training course at the > university and proposed to do it with QGIS. The program leader finally > insisted on doing it with ArcGIS arguing that the students had better > chances to find a job knowing ArcGIS rather than QGIS. This argumentation > does not reflect my long professional experience as a GIS consultant at all! > > But how can I proof that knowing QGIS is the better choice for young GIS > professionals than ArcGIS (or at least that both systems are equally > suited)? > > Does anybody know any official numbers of GIS users worldwide or on the > worldwide application of QGIS over ArcGIS? > > > > I know the Master thesis from Boku Vienna (https://geoobserver. > wordpress.com/2016/02/09/arcgis-vs-qgis/) but it is focused on a > technical comparison of both systems only. > > Also the link https://www.g2crowd.com/grid_report/documents/gis-winter- > 2016-report is not really helpful because it is based on some 40 reviews > only and therefore not representative. > > I really need to know some proven facts on the number of global QGIS > users and renown companies using QGIS worldwide. > > > > Thanks for your help in advance, > > Markus > > > > -- > > Dr. Markus Weidenbach > > landConsult.de > > Geographical Information Management > > and Environmental Planning > > D-77815 Bühl > > Germany > > e.mail see: http://landConsult.de > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Qgis-user mailing list > > [hidden email] > > List info: http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > > Unsubscribe: http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > > > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/QGIS-vs-ArcGIS-in- > Education-and-Practice-tp5300057.html > > To start a new topic under Quantum GIS - User, email > [email protected] > > To unsubscribe from Quantum GIS - User, click here. > > NAML > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://osgeo-org.1560.x6. > nabble.com/QGIS-vs-ArcGIS-in-Education-and-Practice-tp5300057p5300086.html > Sent from the Quantum GIS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-user/ > attachments/20161215/4374616c/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 22:45:05 -0600 > From: Innisfree McKinnon <[email protected]> > To: Nicolas Cadieux <[email protected]> > Cc: qgis-user <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice > Message-ID: > <CAFr9oOSOw7-C4R4=2CBb04pgSQyKj+MCVhDQQ7oXpCfRNTtAMg@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > This is an interesting discussion. I teach GIS classes at a small > university in the U.S. and while I completely agree with the concept of > teaching spatial concepts and not the software, in practice, this > distinction doesn't eliminate the need to choose in a university setting. > In practice GIS is taught through tutorials and tutorials are set up for > particular programs. You can't expect beginning students to go from > abstract concepts to multi-step analysis processes without some direction > as to how to use the software. > > Also, the students at my university get campus issued laptops that don't > have space to run GIS software, so they have to work in the one campus > computer lab where GIS is installed. I have to work with campus IT to make > sure the software is properly installed and updated. When students log in, > they don't have admin permissions so they can't choose to install QGIS if > it isn't already installed. > > I have be advocating for teaching open source software. But once students > get used to one software, they don't want to go back and try to figure out > another system. I did have students try out QGIS, but they weren't excited. > I haven't used QGIS enough to discuss the differences and potential > benefits in particular situations, other than accessibility and > affordability. > > It shouldn't be one software or another, but students need to have a reason > to learn a new platform. I know there are some articles/posts online > comparing, but I have never seen a class that actually integrated teaching > with more than one platform. Beginning college students are usually > frustrated enough just trying to understand one. > > I would love to hear suggestions for approaches or resources. Also, many > university instructors have a heavy teaching load and limited time to keep > up with shifting software. I'm pretty much the only person at my U. that > teaches GIS. I am being expected to teach everything related to geospatial > technologies...so it is tough to stay up to date without introducing > additional software to learn. I need to focus on how best to teach concepts > not spend my time learning how to troubleshoot multiple software packages. > > Innisfree > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Nicolas Cadieux < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > This is a good question! My answer would be that students have a better > > chance of having a job if the learn GIS and not a software. The software > > is only a tool! If they have an ArcGIS licence at the university and can > > use it year round with the university, they could learn with that. > > > > My experience is that afterwards, they will either pirate the software or > > abandons GIS because they cannot pay for the software. Also, more and > more > > students are on Macs and ArcGIS will not work unless you have a dual > boot, > > a virtual PC or a online licence. > > > > Also, if you want to just use a software as a technician and make GIS > > research, you can use ArcGIS. If you want a really good paying job and > > want to be able learn how to develop software and develop GIS, then QGIS > or > > OpenSource is the way to go! > > > > To think that learning GIS = learning a software is short sighted. Would > > you trust a statistician if all he learned in university is how to use a > > particular software or would you prefer someone who really knows what > > statistics are all about??? > > > > Nicolas > > > > > > > > > > Le 15 déc. 2016 à 14:18, Markus Weidenbach [via OSGeo.org] <[hidden > email] > > <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5300086&i=0>> a écrit : > > > > Dear List, > > > > I was asked to give a 5 days international GIS training course at the > > university and proposed to do it with QGIS. The program leader finally > > insisted on doing it with ArcGIS arguing that the students had better > > chances to find a job knowing ArcGIS rather than QGIS. This argumentation > > does not reflect my long professional experience as a GIS consultant at > all! > > But how can I proof that knowing QGIS is the better choice for young GIS > > professionals than ArcGIS (or at least that both systems are equally > > suited)? > > Does anybody know any official numbers of GIS users worldwide or on the > > worldwide application of QGIS over ArcGIS? > > > > I know the Master thesis from Boku Vienna (https://geoobserver. > > wordpress.com/2016/02/09/arcgis-vs-qgis/) but it is focused on a > > technical comparison of both systems only. > > Also the link https://www.g2crowd.com/grid_report/documents/gis-winter- > > 2016-report is not really helpful because it is based on some 40 reviews > > only and therefore not representative. > > I really need to know some proven facts on the number of global QGIS > users > > and renown companies using QGIS worldwide. > > > > Thanks for your help in advance, > > Markus > > > > -- > > Dr. Markus Weidenbach > > *landConsult.de <http://landConsult.de>* > > Geographical Information Management > > and Environmental Planning > > D-77815 Bühl > > Germany > > e.mail see: http://landConsult.de > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Qgis-user mailing list > > [hidden email] <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5300057&i=0> > > List info: http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > > Unsubscribe: http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > > > > ------------------------------ > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > > below: > > http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/QGIS-vs-ArcGIS-in- > > Education-and-Practice-tp5300057.html > > To start a new topic under Quantum GIS - User, email [hidden email] > > <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5300086&i=1> > > To unsubscribe from Quantum GIS - User, click here. > > NAML > > <http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/template/ > NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instant_html% > 21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces. > BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace- > nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs= > notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails% > 21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > View this message in context: Re: QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and > Practice > > <http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/QGIS-vs-ArcGIS-in- > Education-and-Practice-tp5300057p5300086.html> > > Sent from the Quantum GIS - User mailing list archive > > <http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Quantum-GIS-User-f4125267.html> at > > Nabble.com. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Qgis-user mailing list > > [email protected] > > List info: http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > > Unsubscribe: http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-user/ > attachments/20161215/f3ec505a/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 15:40:43 +1000 > From: Nyall Dawson <[email protected]> > To: Nicolas Cadieux <[email protected]> > Cc: qgis-user <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice > Message-ID: > <CAB28AsjVENAiE3a+piN48UTO_kADGmuKt7+=Pfc_pbcdM81Apw@ > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On 16 December 2016 at 08:38, Nicolas Cadieux > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > This is a good question! My answer would be that students have a better > > chance of having a job if the learn GIS and not a software. > > +1 to that. To put it bluntly, I think ANY GIS practitioner who can > only list experience with a single application (or vendor's suite) on > their resume is not at all competitive in today's market. There's > enough free open source or trial software available that it really > shows a lack of motivation for someone not to have skills in more than > one application. > > Nyall > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 11:35:19 +0000 > From: Paul Shapley <[email protected]> > To: qgis-user List <[email protected]> > Subject: [Qgis-user] Digitising a vector line by measurement > Message-ID: > <CAK-x10nuqZUV2mkTgHg7yghp-01BqP32TjssDrgR_vEL8ttP_g@ > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Users, > > I'm looking for a way to digitise a vector line of say 13 metres, so when i > click on point (A) i get feedback whilst i move the curser to point (B) > when i get to the 13m point. > > Thanks, > > -- > *Paul J. 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