On Sunday, December 12, 2004, at 04:34 PM, John Hall wrote:

Tony Firshman wrote:

There is no requirement to certify for "Brussels".
Self-certification is fine, for CE specifically.
Was the rumour around at the time, emissions compliance.
Sorry - do not understand the question.

What rumours?
Self-certification for CE is build into the rules.

Nothing says that you have to pay for expensive lab work.

It's a little bit more complicated than that :-)

1) It's illegal to sell a product in the EU without a CE mark.

2) By attaching a CE mark, the manufacturer/importer is stating that
the product meets the requirements of _all_ relevant EU directives.

3) Some directives (e.g. EMC) allow one to self-certify; others (e.g.
CPD - Construction Products Directive - which includes things like
fire alarm systems) do not.
The EMC directive failed to determine what levels were acceptable and which were not.
If a complaint was lodged then the courts would decide based on that one item only.
ie. The acceptable level would be related to what use would be made of the item, so that a different level would apply to, say, domestic use or industrial use.



4) Whether or not you self-certify, you have to (in theory, at least) be able to substantiate your claim(s) of compliance. This is obviously easier if you can produce a test report by a recognised test house.

5) Falsely claiming compliance (by attaching a CE mark) is, in the UK
at least, a criminal offence.

This may not be the only reason why Stuart (sic) stopped trading but,
from conversations I had with him at the time, I am sure it was a
contributory factor...
This may not be correct. Whilst Stuart claimed he could no longer sell the SGC's because of the EMC directive he was happy to sell them to Quanta and let Quanta market them. At the time Microsoft had just released their Widows 95 system which required users to drastically update their RAM. The cost of memory chips went sky high making the SGC uneconomic. Quanta increased the price and Quanta bore the risk that they could then sell batches of 50.
No SGC had an EC mark. On behalf of the committee I negotiated with Stuart, bought the required components, including those supplied by Stuart. I then sold them and replaced any faulty cards. This was spread over two financial years and contributed a four figure profit to Quanta.
John Taylor


John


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