Agree! Let's get behind Rich's offer. Kenn

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> On 3 Dec 2013, at 19:26, Dave Park <> wrote:
> I think we should hold the event in Las Vegas, Nevada.
> Las Vegas has many convention halls and are ideally set-up for hosting such
> a popular and successful event. Las Vegas has also worked hard to build the
> infrastructure required to feed the massing hordes. Furthermore, Vegas has
> entertainment and services needed to properly support the QL community in
> the manner to which it has become accustomed. Why Las Vegas, though? It's a
> holiday destination. Once you accept that for most people, traveling
> internationally to get to any location means taking a holiday or vacation,
> you logically end up in a situation where it makes sense only if the
> location is vacation-friendly.
> Las Vegas is vacation-friendly!
> Now, I can hear what you're saying... "Dave just suggested Las Vegas
> because it's in Murica!" No, not so. It will require less travel for all
> you Europeans than it would for me. For me it would be a 4,200 mile (6,760
> km) round trip drive. But I'd do it. :)
> Sorry, I can't go on any longer :)
> Folks, I love and care for you all, but I want to bang your heads together.
> It doesn't matter if the show is large or small, here or there. We can
> barely even put on a show, so the fact one might happen at all is a
> miracle. There have been at least three good offers to host a show, and one
> clear request for movement and funding by Quanta, and yet nothing has
> happened. It is now very VERY late in the day to hit the April/May target
> for a show. Everyone feels let down and nobody feels responsible.
> For my money, I think Rich's (RWAP's) offer to host a show was the most
> sound, and represented the combination of good location, minimal cost, and
> best exposure to other users to grow the community. However, watching us
> squabbling like little girls must have been very off-putting for him. We
> should be thankful if he even thinks it's worth serving this community any
> more.
> We should all be ashamed.
> Dave
>> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Geoff Wicks <> wrote:
>>> On 03/12/2013 15:15, Peter wrote:
>>> Urs Koenig (QL) wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>> 8. It should not be restricted to the QL only, but at least be themed and
>>>> addressed as an all Sinclair event. Open for everyone, even for alien
>>>> retro
>>>> computer systems (ATARI, COMMODORE, AMSTRAD, etc.).
>>> Even at a Sinclair-only meeting, the QL would already be an almost
>>> negligible minority. If the scope is widened to even more systems (with
>>> even bigger user base), the QL completely moves out of focus.
>>> I have attended retro meetings in the past - they are nice if one is
>>> primarily interested in general computer history and chat, but I would not
>>> travel to England for just that. For my taste, "QL is 30" requires a very
>>> clear focus on the QL!
>>> I would definitely prefer a dedicated QL event with an audience of only 10
>>> or 20 persons, to a general retro meeting with 100 or more. The recent
>>> German QL meeting has proved how busy and interesting a small event can
>>> be.
>>> Maybe I'd drive 50 km for a general retro meeting, 300 km for an all
>>> Sinclair meeting, but to motivate me for travelling to the UK, only the QL
>>> will do ;-) Please consider this just my personal taste - if the majority
>>> prefers a general event, it's fine.
>> I agree with Peter on this.  We need to think small - quality not
>> quantity. If a meeting of 10 people results in benefits for the whole QL
>> community then it is a worthwhile event.
>> Small events are easier and cheaper to organise. You can use smaller and
>> cheaper halls - workplaces, schools, church halls or - dare I say it - a
>> scout hut. Catering can also be done cheaply and easily. Tea, coffee,
>> biscuits plus soup and rolls.
>> For this reason I liked the idea of a possible Edinburgh event especially
>> as Peter and other German users had expressed an interest. It would be the
>> core of a good meeting.
>> I have already announced my intention not to renew my Quanta subscription
>> in January. I would be happy to give the £20 saved as a contribution to the
>> cost of a hall,
>> Best Wishes,
>> Geoff
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