qmail Digest 28 May 1999 10:00:00 -0000 Issue 654
Topics (messages 26061 through 26078):
Partly solved: supervised tcpserver under supervise
26061 by: Harald Hanche-Olsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Fatal Error ...?
26062 by: Dave Sill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Outlook -> qmail -> filter
26063 by: "Wade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Qmail works fine under MacOS X
26064 by: Joergen Persson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
qmLogsort
26065 by: "Monte Mitzelfelt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26066 by: Eric Dahnke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26067 by: "Monte Mitzelfelt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26068 by: Russell Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Random Qmail Questions
26069 by: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26070 by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John R. Levine)
26071 by: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26072 by: John Gonzalez/netMDC admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26073 by: Patrick Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26074 by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John R. Levine)
Q: adding user from web
26075 by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mutt, vi/vim (Was: Re: Random Qmail Questions)
26076 by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lorens Kockum)
Extremely slow POP & SMTP
26077 by: Thomas Balle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26078 by: "Jordan Krushen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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+ "Petr Novotny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
| #!/bin/sh
| exec env - PATH=... tcpserver -v ... rblsmtpd qmail-smtpd 2>&1
| |setuser qmaill accustamp|setuser qmaill cyclog ...
|
|
| I though the initial "exec" in the shell script should get rid of the
| shell process. I must be missing something obvious but if I only
| knew what... Please suggest.
When sh runs a pipeline, every part of a pipeline runs in a subshell.
It is for reasons like this I wrote my pipe program:
<URL:http://www.math.ntnu.no/~hanche/prog/pipe/>
- Harald
"zulfahmi andri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>ezmlm-manage: fatal: I do not accept messages at this address (#5.1.1)
>
>Somebody know how to solve this?
Probably lots of people...on the ezmlm list.
-Dave
I have a user who has a number of LARGE MS Outlook folders full of mail and
he wants move that mail to folders under qmail. I guess we will setup elm
filters to re-separate the mail once we get it to the qmail server. The
problem is how to get all of the mail from Outlook to qmail without
forwarding EVERY message one at a time. Any suggestions? If we select a
group of messages and tell Outlook to forward them, it stuffs them all into
a single e-mail as attachments which then have to be saved one at a time.
TIA!!
-wade
Hi
Finally compiled and installed
checkpassword-0.81
qmail-1.03
ucspi-tcp-0.84
under Mac OS X server, GM 1.1
I'll send a howto to the FAQ and to Dave Sill's "Life with Qmail".
You basically remove the linking directive from "conf-ld", add the users
graphically.
There will be some problems with qmail-pop3d. Manually type the command and
add strerr_sys.o and error_str.o to the end of it (thanks Faried).
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Joergen Persson
Sysadmin TLTH
On Thu, 27 May 1999, Mads E Eilertsen wrote:
> > I think this one is ready for primetime. It groups mail log records by
> > message and delivery. It eliminates all of that scrolling up and down in
> > the log file looking for outcomes.
>
> Hmm, doesn't qmailanalog do the same thing for you?
Unless I've missed part of qmailanalog, it just does summary statistics.
This sorts the detail.
Monte
So where is it?
cheers - eric
Mads E Eilertsen escribi�:
>
> On 27 May 1999, Monte Mitzelfelt wrote:
>
> > I think this one is ready for primetime. It groups mail log records by
> > message and delivery. It eliminates all of that scrolling up and down in
> > the log file looking for outcomes.
On Thu, 27 May 1999, Eric Dahnke wrote:
> So where is it?
I'll happily mail it to anyone. I don't have an appropriate public access
spot for it at the moment.
Thanks,
Monte
Eric Dahnke writes:
> So where is it?
http://www.qmail.org/qmLogsort
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DISCLAIMER: Please forgive me if these are totally pathetic question.
Believe it or not, I have read through the docs, and still haven't figured
things out.
First Question: I've set up qmail to run in Maildir mode. All of my users
now have their pretty little ~/Maildir/ set up. Right now I've got pine
aliased to pinq so that everything will work. I notice that when a user
starts pine, it automatically creates a Mailbox instead of using the
Maildir. Does maildir2mbox do this automatically, or do I have something
set up wrong?
Second Question: I can't seem to send mail to root. Every time I try, a
message ends up in the logs stating:
delivery x: deferral: Unable_to_chdir_to_maildir._(#4.2.1)
I think I have all my permissions set correctly. What could be the
problem? Also, I get the same error message when I send mail to a certain
user, but it waits a second and delivers the mail to that user anyway.
Weird..
Third Question: While looking through the FAQ, I've noticed a lot of mailer
bashing. Under the questions "How to I get x mailer to work with qmail?"
there always seems to be some mention of how that mailer is insecure,
unreliable, and basically worthless. Yet, I don't see any mention of what
one is supposed to use instead. What is the preferred MUA for DJ Bernstein
dittoheads? Is there a mailer with native Maildir support?
Fourth Question: Last question I promise. While looking through the docs,
I've seen lots of recommendations to switch over to various programs,
programs to replace things such as syslog and inet. I've noticed that all
of these replacement programs seem to be in the beta stage. How reliable
are they currently? I'm a bit wary of using beta software to replace
something as important as my syslog and inet! I just wanted to ask before
I try.
Thanks for putting up with all my lame questions.
Regards,
Jason
>aliased to pinq so that everything will work. I notice that when a user
>starts pine, it automatically creates a Mailbox instead of using the
>Maildir. Does maildir2mbox do this automatically, or do I have something
>set up wrong?
Pine only groks mailboxes, so maildir2mbox moves the messages from a maildir
to an mbox for Pine's benefit. In the longer run, consider running an IMAP
server that handles maildirs.
>Second Question: I can't seem to send mail to root. Every time I try, a
>message ends up in the logs stating:
That's a feature, qmail doesn't want to run as root which it would have to
do. Use ~alias/.qmail-root to send root's mail somewhere else.
>Also, I get the same error message when I send mail to a certain
>user, but it waits a second and delivers the mail to that user anyway.
>Weird..
Hmmn. Beats me. Usual voodoo suggestions regarding protections of the
maildir and the user's home directory.
>unreliable, and basically worthless. Yet, I don't see any mention of what
>one is supposed to use instead. What is the preferred MUA for DJ Bernstein
>dittoheads? Is there a mailer with native Maildir support?
People say nice things about mutt. The rest of us make do with worthless
unreliable MUAs.
>Fourth Question: Last question I promise. While looking through the docs,
>I've seen lots of recommendations to switch over to various programs,
>programs to replace things such as syslog and inet. I've noticed that all
>of these replacement programs seem to be in the beta stage. How reliable
>are they currently?
More reliable than the things they replace. Dan's definition of beta
is along the lines of "not known to be bug-free" rather than the more
popular "runs well enough that maybe the users will debug it for us."
Like most bits of qmail, tcpserver is really nice once you believe that
it really is fast and nail down its typical three-mile long command line.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED], Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl,
Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail
> Pine only groks mailboxes, so maildir2mbox moves the messages from a maildir
> to an mbox for Pine's benefit. In the longer run, consider running an IMAP
> server that handles maildirs.
I realized that it didn't like Maildir, but I thought you could set what
file it used as it's mbox by setting the MAILTMP variable. I've got my
MAILTMP set as something else entirely, yet it insists on using Mailbox.
Why would I want to set up an IMAP server? I don't currently have one
running. The way I see it, the less open ports I've got, the better.
> That's a feature, qmail doesn't want to run as root which it would have to
> do. Use ~alias/.qmail-root to send root's mail somewhere else.
Ah thank you. I knew I had forgotten to ask something. I aliases work
under qmail. I've got some aliases under people's home directories, so
they can accept mail from other addresses, but I haven't figured out how
the ~alias/.qmail-x works. Do I need to put the address to forward to in
the /.qmail-root file? Is it as simple as that?
> People say nice things about mutt. The rest of us make do with worthless
> unreliable MUAs.
Glad you brought up mutt. I've been wanting to switch to it for some time
now. Unfortunately I haven't found an editor that works with it too well.
It was using vi, but vi seems to forget to wrap the text, so it sends
everything on this one long line. I tried using pico as well, but it sits
there and asks me what file I want to save it as etc., which is just a
pain. BTW, does mutt use Maildir, or will I have to set up a mutq filter
for it as well?
> More reliable than the things they replace. Dan's definition of beta
> is along the lines of "not known to be bug-free" rather than the more
> popular "runs well enough that maybe the users will debug it for us."
> Like most bits of qmail, tcpserver is really nice once you believe that
> it really is fast and nail down its typical three-mile long command line.
Thanks, I'm into anything that'll save me some memory and a few CPU
cycles. I'll have to give them a try.
Regards,
Jason
On Thu, 27 May 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Pine only groks mailboxes, so maildir2mbox moves the messages from a maildir
>> to an mbox for Pine's benefit. In the longer run, consider running an IMAP
>> server that handles maildirs.
>
>I realized that it didn't like Maildir, but I thought you could set what
>file it used as it's mbox by setting the MAILTMP variable. I've got my
>MAILTMP set as something else entirely, yet it insists on using Mailbox.
>Why would I want to set up an IMAP server? I don't currently have one
>running. The way I see it, the less open ports I've got, the better.
You may actually want to examine the pinq script to see how it's coded.
As for running an IMAP daemon, i honestly dont see why you would want to
do that either. You can choose pop or imap, but running both only allows
you to service a market where people prefer IMAP over POP, which is rare.
The pop daemon that DJB wrote for maildir works beautifully, is simple,
fast, secure, and what more can you ask for?
OH, of course it's free too :) and you probably already have it if you
have qmail running.
>> That's a feature, qmail doesn't want to run as root which it would have to
>> do. Use ~alias/.qmail-root to send root's mail somewhere else.
>
>Ah thank you. I knew I had forgotten to ask something. I aliases work
>under qmail. I've got some aliases under people's home directories, so
>they can accept mail from other addresses, but I haven't figured out how
>the ~alias/.qmail-x works. Do I need to put the address to forward to in
>the /.qmail-root file? Is it as simple as that?
No, you need to read the documentation. This is really a much larger
question then can be answered here, but here are the relevant places to
look:
http://web.infoave.net/~dsill/lwq.html
and specifically:
http://web.infoave.net/~dsill/lwq.html#Aliases
>
>
>> People say nice things about mutt. The rest of us make do with worthless
>> unreliable MUAs.
>
>Glad you brought up mutt. I've been wanting to switch to it for some time
>now. Unfortunately I haven't found an editor that works with it too well.
>It was using vi, but vi seems to forget to wrap the text, so it sends
>everything on this one long line. I tried using pico as well, but it sits
>there and asks me what file I want to save it as etc., which is just a
>pain. BTW, does mutt use Maildir, or will I have to set up a mutq filter
>for it as well?
I believe that any recent version of mutt has maildir support natively.
>> More reliable than the things they replace. Dan's definition of beta
>> is along the lines of "not known to be bug-free" rather than the more
>> popular "runs well enough that maybe the users will debug it for us."
>> Like most bits of qmail, tcpserver is really nice once you believe that
>> it really is fast and nail down its typical three-mile long command line.
>
>Thanks, I'm into anything that'll save me some memory and a few CPU
>cycles. I'll have to give them a try.
>
>Regards,
>Jason
You'll find this is pretty much normal. DJB's "beta" or even "alpha"
software is usually much higher quality then the normal "beta" package. I
have much faith in DJB's coding skill.
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>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] had the thought that... <<<
> > That's a feature, qmail doesn't want to run as root which it would have to
> > do. Use ~alias/.qmail-root to send root's mail somewhere else.
>
> Ah thank you. I knew I had forgotten to ask something. I aliases work
> under qmail. I've got some aliases under people's home directories, so
> they can accept mail from other addresses, but I haven't figured out how
> the ~alias/.qmail-x works. Do I need to put the address to forward to in
> the /.qmail-root file? Is it as simple as that?
Yup, just put a &your-login-here in ~alias/.qmail-root and all will be
well.
> > People say nice things about mutt. The rest of us make do with worthless
> > unreliable MUAs.
>
> Glad you brought up mutt. I've been wanting to switch to it for some time
> now. Unfortunately I haven't found an editor that works with it too well.
> It was using vi, but vi seems to forget to wrap the text, so it sends
> everything on this one long line. I tried using pico as well, but it sits
> there and asks me what file I want to save it as etc., which is just a
> pain. BTW, does mutt use Maildir, or will I have to set up a mutq filter
> for it as well?
All of the above problems can be fixed in the config files of vim and
mutt. I know it's bad to assume that he is using vim instead of mutt,
but if he isn't he should be ;-)
.vimrc:
set tw=70 " always limit the width of text to n
.muttrc
set mbox_type="Maildir"
set mbox="$HOME/Maildir/"
set spoolfile="$HOME/Maildir/"
This setup works pretty well for me.
Pat
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>As for running an IMAP daemon, i honestly dont see why you would want to
>do that either. You can choose pop or imap, but running both only allows
>you to service a market where people prefer IMAP over POP, which is rare.
Pine users are a notable IMAP market. Pine believes deeply, devoutly,
in IMAP. I'm planning to bring up an IMAP server here partly for
Pine, partly so I can check my mail from Eudora on my laptop and see
all of the mailboxes into which procmail has sorted my mail and stay
in sync with Pine when I get home.
>The pop daemon that DJB wrote for maildir works beautifully, is simple,
>fast, secure, and what more can you ask for?
IMAP does a lot more than POP. I agree that the IMAP people at Washington
have a very bad attitude toward qmail and maildirs, though.
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Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail
Hello.
I have looked in archive and web site, but only thing I could find was
1UID/1GID to serve multiple
users which is also I need.
ok, here is what I would like to have.
Is there script allow to add new popuser thru the web automatically?(and
set password)
like yahoo's free mail service.
Any input will be appriciated!
On the qmail list [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> > People say nice things about mutt. The rest of us make do with worthless
>> > unreliable MUAs.
Mutt fills all my needs except when I want permanent archiving
of possibly long conversation with many participants. For that
I gate mail2news.
>.vimrc:
>set tw=70 " always limit the width of text to n
Don't forget 'par', on an ftp site near you.
:map F {!}par -w64 -gtq
You can get longer lines using tw=70, but you mostly have
to do it on purpose. But if you often go back and rewrite,
you'll want par too; it reformats paragraphs, with a host of
options. Couldn't do without it.
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Hi,
For some time I have experienced a problem which may be a qmail problem but
Im not sure.
I have a number of dial in customers who uses ISDN routers with pat/nat
translation some of them have great difficulties sending and checking mail,
it often takes in excess of 20 sec. to establish a connection to my qmail
server regardless of the client program (I also tried to telnet directly to
port 25 and 110 it takes the same time)
Other customers with the same/very similar hardware config connects without
a problem.
I have not experienced the problem with customers who has direct access to
the internet ie via a modem dialup.
For all I can see the pat/nat works fine and they connect rapidly to all
other servers on my network including af test server I have running sendmail.
What could make the connect time so extremely slow ?
Thanks,
Thomas
DNS timeouts perhaps? Can the mail server resolve the IP of the gateway
involved?
J.
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Balle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, May 28, 1999 2:08 AM
Subject: Extremely slow POP & SMTP
>Hi,
>
>For some time I have experienced a problem which may be a qmail problem but
>Im not sure.
>
>I have a number of dial in customers who uses ISDN routers with pat/nat
>translation some of them have great difficulties sending and checking mail,
>it often takes in excess of 20 sec. to establish a connection to my qmail
>server regardless of the client program (I also tried to telnet directly to
>port 25 and 110 it takes the same time)
>
>Other customers with the same/very similar hardware config connects without
>a problem.
>I have not experienced the problem with customers who has direct access to
>the internet ie via a modem dialup.
>
>For all I can see the pat/nat works fine and they connect rapidly to all
>other servers on my network including af test server I have running
sendmail.
>
>What could make the connect time so extremely slow ?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Thomas
>
>
