qmail Digest 16 Aug 1999 10:00:01 -0000 Issue 730

Topics (messages 29016 through 29035):

20,000 mailboxes...
        29016 by: Jason Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        29030 by: Anand Buddhdev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        29032 by: "Petr Novotny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Pine & Maildir
        29017 by: "Mark Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

"New-old" patches?
        29018 by: Zbigniew Baniewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Abnormal queue problem
        29019 by: "Jim Gilliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        29020 by: "Jim Gilliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

DNS 8.2.1 installed
        29021 by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

qmail-Linux-distribution
        29022 by: Ira Abramov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Qmail Help for a new qmail user.
        29023 by: "Larry H. Raab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        29024 by: Magnus Bodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        29026 by: Magnus Bodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        29028 by: Magnus Bodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        29031 by: "Petr Novotny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

undelivered messages.
        29025 by: "Braden Manning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

forward question.
        29027 by: Anand Buddhdev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        29029 by: Magnus Bodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

comments on virus scanning
        29033 by: "Peter van der Landen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

question around qmail-users
        29034 by: olli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        29035 by: "Petr Novotny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Apart from the server serving 100K users, i am wondering whether there
is any good e-mail client, which can support many thousands of mail
messages. I am using eudora as well the BAT. I am subscribed to
various mailing list and these clients become very slow as the number
of mail messages increases. Any idea?

Cheers,
Jason


MAN> I was just wondering if anyone is running a qmail server with 20,000 users?
MAN> And if so, how does it handle and what hardware are you running?






On Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 05:40:44PM +0530, Jason Brown wrote:

Try Pegasus mail, http://www.pmail.com. I think it uses a Maildir-like
(but not maildir) structure for mailboxes, and creates index files to go
with it. It also has many nice features, and is free.

> Apart from the server serving 100K users, i am wondering whether there
> is any good e-mail client, which can support many thousands of mail
> messages. I am using eudora as well the BAT. I am subscribed to
> various mailing list and these clients become very slow as the number
> of mail messages increases. Any idea?

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> Try Pegasus mail, http://www.pmail.com. I think it uses a Maildir-like
> (but not maildir) structure for mailboxes,

Not exactly - it uses maildir-like structure for "new mail" and 
mailboxes for the mail folders

> and creates index files to go
> with it.

For the mailfolders (mailboxes), not for new-mail maildir.

> It also has many nice features, and is free.

Have been using it since old Novell3.1/MSDOS4.2 days and hell, 
it's the only reason I am running W95 at home instead of linux!


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i have installed qmail on a redhat 6.0 box which came with
pine-4.10-2.i386.rpm though couldn't get mail to work under the maildir
format. as a last resort, i was told to get a previous verson of pine from
ftp://summersoft.fay.ar.us/pub/qmail/qmail-pine/pine-4.04-1.i386.rpm which
should work. unfortunately it doesn't. i can collect mail via pop-3 but
cannot read mail via pine on a telnet session.

i am lost of what else to try and after hiding on th elist for the past few
weeks, now take courage to ask. 

is there a simple faq or checklist i could refer to?

any help would be appreciated.

regards,
mark

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I cannot find "maxrcpt" patch on the qmail-website anymore - is capability
to limit maximal number of recipients included in 1.03 (it doesn't seem to
be included)? Also the "newbox" add-on is available only for Checkpassword
0.76, not for 0.81

                                pozdrawiam / regards

                                                Zbigniew Baniewski






At least, I think it's abnormal.


qmail-qstat tells me there are three messages in the queue for one user.
These three messages are being delivered repeatedly to the same user (or at
least it seems that way... she has multiple copies of each of the three
emails in her Maildir, but they still remain in the queue).

She is using a modified .qmail file (to use the vacation program) which has
this in it:

./Mailbox/
| if [ $RECIPIENT != "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ]; then /usr/bin/vacation
sroberts; fi

at the moment, she appears to have over 20 copies of each message, and I'm
starting to get a little worried...

Any ideas?


Jim





Well, my mistake...  the .qmail file originally never had the "; fi" on the
end, and this apparently caused the problem (?)

A workmate added the fi on the end just before I looked at the file, and
forgot to mention it.  The queue has now sorted itself out properly as well.

Hurrah for qmail! =)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Gilliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, 16 August 1999 11:03
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (E-mail)
> Subject: Abnormal queue problem
>
>
> At least, I think it's abnormal.
>
>
> qmail-qstat tells me there are three messages in the queue
> for one user.
> These three messages are being delivered repeatedly to the
> same user (or at
> least it seems that way... she has multiple copies of each of
> the three
> emails in her Maildir, but they still remain in the queue).
>
> She is using a modified .qmail file (to use the vacation
> program) which has
> this in it:
>
> ./Mailbox/
> | if [ $RECIPIENT != "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ]; then
> /usr/bin/vacation
> sroberts; fi
>
> at the moment, she appears to have over 20 copies of each
> message, and I'm
> starting to get a little worried...
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> Jim
>
>





On Sat, Aug 14, 1999 at 04:28:31PM -0400, Chris Johnson wrote:
> You're in the right direction. If your server doesn't know the answer to a
> question (it's not authoritative and the answer isn't in cache), it'll ask
> someone else. This may be a root server if no information at all about the
> request is cached, or it may be something further down the line. (Maybe it
> already has cached the fact that koobera.math.uic.edu is authoritative for
> cr.yp.to, but it doesn't know what the mail exchanger is for cr.yp.to. It won't
> go to a root server to find out--it'll head straight to koobera.math.uic.edu.)
 
Of course, who the root servers are is something that you have to 
keep up to date in your bind installation.  That is, bind doesn't
automatically know who the root servers are.  That's something that
it looks to a file for.  And it's up to you to keep the file up to
date.

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             at
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On Sat, 14 Aug 1999, Kevin Waterson wrote:

> Every Redhat server I set up I need to go throuth the
> process of ridding the system of sendmail and istalling qmail.
> I use the memphis rpm and wrote up a simple install script

> So I started piecing together my own redhat clone (yes,
> yet another) and would like to know what I need to do

BeroLinux already did that, then Qmail disappeared when it was merged into
Mandrake Linux. I sugest you switch to Mandrake as a platform (I love it.
it's also recompiled for Pentium entirely) and ask them to add a legal
Qmail binary distro into their install process, and make Sendmail an
option and not a must. I'll join in to that request if you do...





Sorry to bother all of you but I just have a, I am sure, small problem.
Qmail can send mail and such.  But when I send mail to an address on the

POP3 no messages ever get to the users.
 I ran qmail-qstat and is says:

11 messages in queue.
0 preprocessed

Or something to that effect.  I have gone over the man pages and the
HOWTO and I can't get any where.  Could you please suggest a good place
to look for a problem or even a fix if you might know one?
Thanks a ton for all of your help.

Larry H. Raab







On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Larry H. Raab wrote:

> Sorry to bother all of you but I just have a, I am sure, small problem.
> Qmail can send mail and such.  But when I send mail to an address on the
> 
> POP3 no messages ever get to the users.
>  I ran qmail-qstat and is says:
> 
> 11 messages in queue.
> 0 preprocessed

It looks like your qmail-local has difficulties delivering to your users
Maildir. Have you created maildirs in the users directories?

/magnus

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On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Larry H. Raab wrote:

> Yes, each of the users has a .qmail with ./Maildir/ and a Maildir created by
> maildirmake.
> Is there anything I have to setup with the qmail-local?

No. But if qmail-local has troubles delivering, the mail will stay in
the queue. 

Set control/queuelifetime to a very low value and then restart qmail. 
You will then get your bounces faster and thus will your debugging be
easier.

Don't forget to remove queuelifetime or change it to a more reasonable
value.

/magnus

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On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Larry H. Raab wrote:

> Well...now I am going to sound dumb.
> What is the command I put in the control/queuelifetime to set it.
> And I assume that I just creat the file since it isn't in there right now?
> Thanks for you help.

just create /var/qmail/control/queuelifetime
and put a low value in it. It is measured in seconds. So 90 is
reasonable low. That gives you 1.5 minutes to a bounce. Short round-trip
for fast debugging!

echo "90" > /var/qmail/control/queuelifetime

/magnus

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> No. But if qmail-local has troubles delivering, the mail will stay in the
> queue. 
> 
> Set control/queuelifetime to a very low value and then restart qmail. You
> will then get your bounces faster and thus will your debugging be easier.

??? Isn't it much better to read the logs generated by qmail ??? At 
least that's what I do with any piece of software which doesn't 
seem to run properly - read the logfiles and try to figure out before 
asking questions in the public... (No offence intended.)

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G'day,
small question for anyone who can help me.

I am finding that we are getting a small number of users who are receiving
email from some people, and not from others.  The other end that are sending
the message, sometimes don't get anything back to say there was an error at
all, and soemtimes they receive something like

"The recipient was not available to take delivery of the message. Host
unreachable"

Does anybody have any ideas?

cheers
braden


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   McPherson Media Internet
      Network Administrator
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
             03 58316517
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On Fri, Aug 13, 1999 at 02:29:25PM +0200, Magnus Bodin wrote:

> > cd ~test
> > echo test1 > .qmail; echo ./Mailbox >> .qmail
> 
> That should have read:
> 
> echo "&test1" > .qmail; echo "./Mailbox" >> .qmail

I didn't use quotes because there wasn't anything that needed quoting!

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On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Anand Buddhdev wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 13, 1999 at 02:29:25PM +0200, Magnus Bodin wrote:
> 
> > > cd ~test
> > > echo test1 > .qmail; echo ./Mailbox >> .qmail
> > 
> > That should have read:
> > 
> > echo "&test1" > .qmail; echo "./Mailbox" >> .qmail
> 
> I didn't use quotes because there wasn't anything that needed quoting!

ok. I added them for clarity.
And I added the ampersand (&) for accuracy.

/magnus








-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Dahnke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>A virus scanning implementation would be extremely valuable, and can't
>understand why the qmail community so shuns the idea. I know that the
>virus scanning software for NT goes for upwards of $20,000 per
>installation. How is it that all you qmail developers have not embraced
>this big dollar topic as an opportunity. And the modulatity of qmail -
>come on!

Adding virus scanning to a Qmail installation is fairly trivial. I have a
simple Perl script running that extracts and - if necessary unzips -
attachments and feeds them thru a standard commercial (non e-mail) scanner.
A simple condredirect makes infected messages and up in our 'zoo' mailbox.
The scanner's data files are automatically updated from the scanner maker's
FTP site. You can test the scanner (in moderation please) by sending mail to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Regards,
Peter

PS: Now where's that big dollar ;)






Hi.

I got the following question:

$ cat locals
nemtsov.ru
rosmol.ru
vgsn.glasnet.ru

I've address [EMAIL PROTECTED] that I wanna redirect to another address.
Well, if I'll use /var/qmail/users/assign, then the question is "how to
specify a string for exactly one domain of 3 in locals.?" I mean that
string
=info:nemtsov:554:562:/home/nemtsov:::
will match all domains in locals, but I need only one domain - nemtsov.ru.
As I see in man qmail-send I can't do this w/ virtualdomains , since it
applies only if domain is not listed in locals.

Also I'll be glad if someone will tell me how to construct .qmail-<ext>
with fully qualified domain name. man dot-qmail doesn't contain too mach
details about this.:( Well for example I wanna redefine behevior of
qmail-local for address [EMAIL PROTECTED] - how then shoud .qmail-<ext>
look?

Bye.Olli.
                //System administrator of "Russia Young" internet group.

Any info around "Russia Young" & Boris Nemtsov:
http://www.rosmol.ru , http://www.nemtsov.ru , http://www.boris.nemtsov.ru





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> I got the following question:
> 
> $ cat locals
> nemtsov.ru
> rosmol.ru
> vgsn.glasnet.ru
> 
> I've address [EMAIL PROTECTED] that I wanna redirect to another address.
> Well, if I'll use /var/qmail/users/assign, then the question is "how to
> specify a string for exactly one domain of 3 in locals.?" I mean that
> string
> =info:nemtsov:554:562:/home/nemtsov:::
> will match all domains in locals, but I need only one domain - nemtsov.ru.
> As I see in man qmail-send I can't do this w/ virtualdomains , since it
> applies only if domain is not listed in locals.

You have to do that from .qmail file of info user - I hope it doesn't 
bring you security riscs. You basically test HOST, HOST2, HOST3 
etc. variables for your predefined strings. It would then contain 
something like
|condredirect another_address [ $HOST -e nemtsov.ru ]
./Maildir/

(I hope I got that fine; please test before using.)

man qmail-command
man condredirect

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