qmail Digest 28 Jan 2000 11:00:00 -0000 Issue 894

Topics (messages 36220 through 36289):

How to watch the current receiving messages?
        36220 by: Ari Arantes Filho

Re: About offline
        36221 by: Faried Nawaz

Re: remote root qmail-pop with vpopmail advisory and exploit with              patch 
(fwd)
        36222 by: Peter Haworth

Loopback? Was: open relay problem
        36223 by: Peter Green

broadcast message
        36224 by: TAG

Outlook address book oddity
        36225 by: Simon Rae
        36229 by: Frank Tegtmeyer
        36230 by: Dave Sill

Annoyance
        36226 by: Tim Hunter
        36227 by: Peter Green
        36228 by: Dave Sill
        36235 by: Chris Johnson
        36238 by: Paul Farber

Re: problems with 'mail' (procmail?)
        36231 by: Dave Sill

Re: Queue Problem
        36232 by: Dave Sill

Re: qmail-pop3d: unable to write pipe
        36233 by: Dave Sill

Re: Message delivery failure question
        36234 by: Dave Sill

Re: Strange queue behaviour]
        36236 by: Faried Nawaz
        36252 by: Chris Readle
        36264 by: Chris Readle

Getting proper mail notifications
        36237 by: Scott Schappell
        36239 by: Mark Delany
        36240 by: Charles Cazabon
        36241 by: Vince Vielhaber
        36243 by: Faried Nawaz

Re: What MUA do you use?
        36242 by: Chris Garrigues
        36250 by: Dave Sill
        36259 by: Matthew Brown
        36277 by: Mark E. Drummond

Re: Mail Stuck In Bin
        36244 by: Dave Sill

Re: smtp authentication
        36245 by: Dave Sill

Re: qmail delivery slowdown under high load
        36246 by: richard.illuin.org

Re: More setup questions
        36247 by: Dave Sill

Re: subdomain qmail locals
        36248 by: Dave Sill
        36256 by: Robert Sander
        36257 by: Scott Schappell
        36279 by: Scott Beck
        36280 by: Scott Beck

Re: VIRTUAL DOMAIN
        36249 by: Dave Sill

Qmail behaviour
        36251 by: Adil Tahiri
        36253 by: Dave Sill

more about procmail and qmail
        36254 by: Jennifer Tippens

Re: [FIXED] Getting proper mail notifications
        36255 by: Scott Schappell

Supervise won't kill tcpserver
        36258 by: Bill Rogers

Mail stuck in queue - what to do about it?
        36260 by: Chris Green
        36261 by: Mark Delany
        36262 by: Petr Novotny
        36263 by: Chris Green
        36265 by: Chris Green

DNS
        36266 by: Juan E Suris
        36267 by: Ruben van der Leij
        36268 by: Russell P. Sutherland
        36269 by: Juan E Suris
        36270 by: Chris Johnson
        36271 by: Steve Wolfe
        36272 by: Juan E Suris
        36284 by: Frank Tegtmeyer

Re: FLUSH QUEUE
        36273 by: Stephen Mills

Re: big fat qmail-command hole
        36274 by: Stig Hackv�n
        36275 by: Phil Genera
        36278 by: Magnus Bodin

"Upgrade" causing "temporary failure"
        36276 by: Mark E. Drummond

Sleeping qmail
        36281 by: Alok Bhatt

Re: Duplicates on outbound mail, not inbound
        36282 by: D. J. Bernstein

Open Relay
        36283 by: Muhammad Ali
        36285 by: Lorens Kockum

cannot remove files in pic directory
        36286 by: $BCf@>(J $B??0l(J

Qmail crashing TCP/IP-stack
        36287 by: Henrik �hman
        36288 by: Petr Novotny
        36289 by: Henrik �hman

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Hi,

    With qmail-qread, qmail-qstat and qmHandle, I can watch the queue, but
how can I see the current open stmp session that are receiving messages? And
how can I get more information about these messages?

Best regards,

Ari






Md. Sifat Ullah Patwary wrote:

  I am running an offline Internet Server. I like to use qmail server in my
  LAN. How can I queue my out going mail from my LAN till the server goes
  online and how can i retrive my in coming mails which are also queued in
  other Inthernet mail (running qmail) server?

Use serialmail -- http://cr.yp.to/serialmail.html.  The AutoTURN feature
will do exactly what you want.




Pavel Kankovsky wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Russell Nelson wrote:
> 
> >  > 2. qmail-send is run as root?
> > 
> > Yup.  Well, qmail-start is run as root.  Along the line it gives up
> > its rootness, becoming qmail-send, and leaving only qmail-lspawn
> > running as root.
> 
> Login is run as root. It switches to my privs and execs my login
> shell. Therefore my login shell is run as root. Right? :)

Login is run as root.
Once you've entered a correct username/password pair, it switches to that user,
so it isn't running as root any more.
Your login shell runs as your user.

It wouldn't make sense otherwise.

Maybe this was a troll after all...

-- 
        Peter Haworth   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"I have yet to see any problem, however complicated, which, when you
 looked at it the right way, did not become still more complicated."
                -- Poul Anderson





On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 10:02:45AM +0100, Dr. Erwin Hoffmann wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> try my SPAMCONTROL Patch I posted into this group recently.
> However, I really advise everybody NOT to use the LOOPBACK address to be
> included in the relaying control mechanism. Its easy enough to fake that.

It's easy enough to fake a loopback address for packets coming in on a
non-loopback device? This is not a qmail issue; this should be dealt with
somewhere along the way by network filtering. Something like:

  ipchains -I accept 1 -S 127.0.0.1 -i !lo -j DENY

theoretically should do the trick (untested).

/pg
-- 
Peter Green
Gospel Communications Network, SysAdmin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




HI,

Is there a way of sending all users a broadcast message??

--Many thans

Tonino




Hi

This is more of a petty annoyance than anything else, but I'd like to
know if anyone else has experienced it. I recently was contacted by a
user saying that they were getting bounce messages back each time they
tried to send mail to a particular local address. Upon further
investigation it turns out that although this recipient's email address
in her Outlook address book was spelt correctly, there was a space after
the last character. When I checked the qmail logs, this space appears as
a question mark at causing the message to bounce.

Anyone have any ideas? When I type a space after an email address
directly in the 'TO' field it goes OK suggesting this is more than
likely a flaw in Outlook.

Any ideas???

ta

Si




> Any ideas???

Encourage your users to hate Outlook ...

Regards, Frank




[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>This is more of a petty annoyance than anything else, but I'd like to
>know if anyone else has experienced it. I recently was contacted by a
>user saying that they were getting bounce messages back each time they
>tried to send mail to a particular local address. Upon further
>investigation it turns out that although this recipient's email address
>in her Outlook address book was spelt correctly, there was a space after
>the last character. When I checked the qmail logs, this space appears as
>a question mark at causing the message to bounce.

My address is "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", not
"[EMAIL PROTECTED] ". If you use the latter, you should expect it
to fail. The space is converted to a "?" in the logs because all
non-printable characters are displayed as ?'s. The message isn't
failing because of the conversion done for the log.

>Anyone have any ideas? When I type a space after an email address
>directly in the 'TO' field it goes OK suggesting this is more than
>likely a flaw in Outlook.

Your MUA strips trailing whitespace. One can argue that Outlook should 
also do that, but one can also argue that users should enter addresses
correctly. Of course, any s/w that expects the user to do the right
thing is either broken or rude. � :-)

-Dave




I just noticed in my logs that a specific host, mrelay0.starwave.com keeps
opening a smtp connection every minute or so.  Should I just outright deny
this connection from connecting or is there a way to find out what is going
on?
Nothing shows up in my logs as far as something being delivered.

Thanks in advance
Tim Hunter
CIMx Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.cimx.com






On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 10:39:46AM -0500, Tim Hunter wrote:
> I just noticed in my logs that a specific host, mrelay0.starwave.com keeps
> opening a smtp connection every minute or so.  Should I just outright deny
> this connection from connecting or is there a way to find out what is going
> on?
> Nothing shows up in my logs as far as something being delivered.

Isn't that the kind of behavior that happens when a bare LF is found? I'm
seeing it a lot from www.projectorcentral.com (which is using Cold
Fusion...).

/pg
-- 
Peter Green
Gospel Communications Network, SysAdmin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Peter Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 10:39:46AM -0500, Tim Hunter wrote:
>> I just noticed in my logs that a specific host, mrelay0.starwave.com keeps
>> opening a smtp connection every minute or so.  Should I just outright deny
>> this connection from connecting or is there a way to find out what is going
>> on?
>> Nothing shows up in my logs as far as something being delivered.
>
>Isn't that the kind of behavior that happens when a bare LF is found?

Yeah, except well-behaved MTA's don't try to resend every minute.

This can be debugged using recordio to record the SMTP session. See
the FAQ.

-Dave




On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 10:39:46AM -0500, Tim Hunter wrote:
> I just noticed in my logs that a specific host, mrelay0.starwave.com keeps
> opening a smtp connection every minute or so.  Should I just outright deny
> this connection from connecting or is there a way to find out what is going
> on?
> Nothing shows up in my logs as far as something being delivered.

I had that same host doing that to me. It's sending a message with bare
linefeeds in it. I just cut them off with tcpserver.

Chris




They may be sending a bare linefeed in the message.  Qmail seems to have
this problem.  From what I understand it's not gonna be fixed bacause it's
the other server's fault.... not a qmail problem.

Paul Farber
Farber Technology
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ph  570-628-5303
Fax 570-628-5545

On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Tim Hunter wrote:

> I just noticed in my logs that a specific host, mrelay0.starwave.com keeps
> opening a smtp connection every minute or so.  Should I just outright deny
> this connection from connecting or is there a way to find out what is going
> on?
> Nothing shows up in my logs as far as something being delivered.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Tim Hunter
> CIMx Company
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.cimx.com
> 
> 
> 





"Eric LaLonde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I've moved the file /var/spool/mail/user to ~user/Mailbox and made a
>symbolic link back to /var/spool/mail/user, but it doesn't seem to
>stay. It will say that I have new mail in /var/spool/mail/user, and
>then when i go to view that mail via 'mail', it gives me this
>message:
>
>This text is part of the internal format of your mail folder, and is
>not a real message.  It is created automatically by the mail system
>software.  If deleted, important folder data will be lost, and it
>will be re-created with the data reset to initial values.
>
>I then quit out of mail, it saves it to mbox, and then the link
>/var/spool/mail/user is gone.  This line is in my maillog: Jan 25
>13:36:52 damacles procmail[5961]: Renamed bogus
>"/var/spool/mail/root" into "/var/spool/mail/BOGUS.root.VUJ"
>
>Why is this happening, and why aren't my links sticking, and what
>should i do?

Procmail doesn't like the symlink in /var/spool/mail so it renames
it. The fix is to read INSTALL.mbox and follow the directions for
configuring the mail reader to look directly in ~user/Mailbox.

-Dave




[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>When I sent to a mailing list it ques the entire list (175,000 addresses) 
>then the que takes forever (24 hours) to deliver. Anyway to speed this up? 
>The server is a dedicated P 450, 128Meg, RedHat. Dedicated to qmail. 

1. Increase concurrencyremote. Rebuild with conf-spawn set to 255
   before raising it past 120. Install the "big concurrency" patch if
   you need to go past 255.

2. Put the queue on a fast disk on a dedicated SCSI interface.

3. Install dnscache.

I can do 175k deliveries on my list server in ~3 hours, and I haven't
done (2) yet.

-Dave




John White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Symptoms: users can issue USER and PASS commands, but an immediate
>-ERR unable to write pipe
>is issued.
>
>contents of
>/service/qmail-pop3d/run:
>#!/bin/sh
>        /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup \
>        triceratops.com /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir 2>&1
>
>Any ideas?

I think you need to "exec" tcpserver.

-Dave




"Randolph S. Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>"[...] deferral: Connected_to_151.xxx.x.xx_but_connection_died._(#4.4.2)/"
>
>The email is being send to an address <person_name>@<company>.com that 
>works when I send the email through another SMTP server. So, I thought this 
>might be a DNS problem. I switched my resolv.conf to point to the DNS that 
>the working SMTP server uses and this does not seem to fix the problem.

It could still be a DNS problem. The other MTA might be lenient about
DNS misconfiguration than qmail. Post the details and let a DNS expert 
check it out.

-Dave




Chris Readle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  Chris Readle wrote:
  > 
  > I'm having a bit of strand queue behaviour.  Basically I've got 50+ (I
  > think 54, without looking) local-bound messages in the queue that I
  > cannot get to flush no matter what I try.  I've tried sending an ALRM, a
  > HUP, stopping and restarting qmail and rebooting the server.  The
  > messages are still there.  Everything else seems to be running great and
  > new messages are going in and out with no problems, but these message
  > justs won't deliver.  Any ideas?
  > 
  > chris

Show us what the logs say when you try to flush the queue.




Faried Nawaz wrote:
> 
> Chris Readle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
>   Chris Readle wrote:
>   >
>   > I'm having a bit of strand queue behaviour.  Basically I've got 50+ (I
>   > think 54, without looking) local-bound messages in the queue that I
>   > cannot get to flush no matter what I try.  I've tried sending an ALRM, a
>   > HUP, stopping and restarting qmail and rebooting the server.  The
>   > messages are still there.  Everything else seems to be running great and
>   > new messages are going in and out with no problems, but these message
>   > justs won't deliver.  Any ideas?
>   >
>   > chris
> 
> Show us what the logs say when you try to flush the queue.

I think I see the problem, now....I'm getting message has wrong owner
and unable to switch to directory....I'll attach the relevant log
portion.

chris
948992273.168662 starting delivery 121: msg 230524 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992273.168675 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992273.171009 delivery 121: deferral: 
Unable_to_switch_to_/home/chris:_access_denied._(#4.3.0)/
948992273.171024 status: local 0/20 remote 0/30
948992396.674129 starting delivery 122: msg 230525 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.674143 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992396.674150 starting delivery 123: msg 230524 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.674162 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992396.693089 starting delivery 124: msg 230532 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.693103 status: local 3/20 remote 0/30
948992396.693110 delivery 122: deferral: 
Unable_to_switch_to_/home/chris:_access_denied._(#4.3.0)/
948992396.693124 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992396.693131 delivery 123: deferral: 
Unable_to_switch_to_/home/chris:_access_denied._(#4.3.0)/
948992396.693145 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992396.693152 starting delivery 125: msg 230522 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.693164 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992396.709790 starting delivery 126: msg 232574 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.709803 status: local 3/20 remote 0/30
948992396.709811 delivery 124: deferral: 
Unable_to_switch_to_/home/chris:_access_denied._(#4.3.0)/
948992396.709825 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992396.709832 delivery 125: deferral: 
Unable_to_switch_to_/home/chris:_access_denied._(#4.3.0)/
948992396.709846 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992396.728920 starting delivery 127: msg 232568 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.728933 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992396.728940 delivery 126: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992396.728952 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992396.750439 starting delivery 128: msg 232590 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.750452 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992396.750459 delivery 127: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992396.750471 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992396.768174 starting delivery 129: msg 232601 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.768187 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992396.768194 delivery 128: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992396.768206 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992396.772692 starting delivery 130: msg 230533 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.772705 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992396.772712 delivery 129: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992396.772724 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992396.786670 starting delivery 131: msg 232600 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.786683 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992396.786690 delivery 130: deferral: 
Unable_to_switch_to_/home/chris:_access_denied._(#4.3.0)/
948992396.786704 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992396.787520 starting delivery 132: msg 232577 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.787533 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992396.787540 delivery 131: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992396.787551 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992396.802177 starting delivery 133: msg 232604 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.802190 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992396.802197 delivery 132: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992396.802208 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992396.820684 starting delivery 134: msg 232591 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.820697 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992396.820704 delivery 133: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992396.820716 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992396.839303 starting delivery 135: msg 232575 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.839316 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992396.839323 delivery 134: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992396.839335 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992396.840144 starting delivery 136: msg 232581 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.840157 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992396.840164 delivery 135: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992396.840176 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992396.859953 starting delivery 137: msg 230531 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.859967 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992396.859974 delivery 136: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992396.859985 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992396.875262 starting delivery 138: msg 232592 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.875274 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992396.875281 delivery 137: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992396.875293 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992396.876087 starting delivery 139: msg 232569 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.876100 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992396.876106 delivery 138: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992396.876118 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992396.890123 starting delivery 140: msg 232582 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.890136 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992396.890143 delivery 139: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992396.890155 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992396.904920 starting delivery 141: msg 232570 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.904933 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992396.904939 delivery 140: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992396.904951 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992396.925058 starting delivery 142: msg 232571 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.925071 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992396.925078 delivery 141: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992396.925090 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992396.944740 starting delivery 143: msg 232587 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.944753 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992396.944760 delivery 142: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992396.944771 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992396.960305 starting delivery 144: msg 232583 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.960318 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992396.960325 delivery 143: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992396.960337 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992396.961138 starting delivery 145: msg 232593 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.961151 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992396.961158 delivery 144: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992396.961170 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992396.981837 starting delivery 146: msg 232605 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992396.981850 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992396.981857 delivery 145: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992396.981869 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992397.001238 starting delivery 147: msg 232579 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992397.001251 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992397.001258 delivery 146: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992397.001270 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992397.002055 starting delivery 148: msg 232602 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992397.002068 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992397.002075 delivery 147: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992397.002087 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992397.016799 starting delivery 149: msg 232594 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992397.016811 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992397.016818 delivery 148: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992397.016830 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992397.030390 starting delivery 150: msg 232572 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992397.030403 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992397.030410 delivery 149: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992397.030422 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992397.048259 starting delivery 151: msg 232584 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992397.048271 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992397.048278 delivery 150: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992397.048290 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992397.068683 starting delivery 152: msg 232606 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992397.068695 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992397.068702 delivery 151: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992397.068714 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
948992397.089426 starting delivery 153: msg 230528 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
948992397.089439 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
948992397.089446 delivery 152: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
948992397.089457 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
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Chris Readle wrote:
> 
> Faried Nawaz wrote:
> >
> > Chris Readle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >   Chris Readle wrote:
> >   >
> >   > I'm having a bit of strand queue behaviour.  Basically I've got 50+ (I
> >   > think 54, without looking) local-bound messages in the queue that I
> >   > cannot get to flush no matter what I try.  I've tried sending an ALRM, a
> >   > HUP, stopping and restarting qmail and rebooting the server.  The
> >   > messages are still there.  Everything else seems to be running great and
> >   > new messages are going in and out with no problems, but these message
> >   > justs won't deliver.  Any ideas?
> >   >
> >   > chris
> >
> > Show us what the logs say when you try to flush the queue.
> 
> I think I see the problem, now....I'm getting message has wrong owner
> and unable to switch to directory....I'll attach the relevant log
> portion.
> 
> chris

I think I should also mention that new messages to these email addresses
go through with nary a problem.  One of them is the address that I use
to send and receive to the list from! :)

chris

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> 948992397.348671 starting delivery 171: msg 232576 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 948992397.348684 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
> 948992397.348691 delivery 170: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
> 948992397.348703 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
> 948992397.349472 starting delivery 172: msg 230529 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 948992397.349485 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
> 948992397.349492 delivery 171: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
> 948992397.349504 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
> 948992397.366075 starting delivery 173: msg 232588 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 948992397.366088 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
> 948992397.366095 delivery 172: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
> 948992397.366107 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
> 948992397.379157 starting delivery 174: msg 232589 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 948992397.379170 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
> 948992397.379177 delivery 173: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
> 948992397.379189 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
> 948992397.397490 starting delivery 175: msg 232603 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 948992397.397503 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
> 948992397.397510 delivery 174: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
> 948992397.397522 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
> 948992397.403897 starting delivery 176: msg 230523 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 948992397.403910 status: local 2/20 remote 0/30
> 948992397.403916 delivery 175: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/
> 948992397.403928 status: local 1/20 remote 0/30
> 948992397.406512 delivery 176: deferral: 
>Unable_to_switch_to_/home/chris:_access_denied._(#4.3.0)/
> 948992397.406527 status: local 0/20 remote 0/30




Greetings!

I am using qmail with FreeBSD 3.3, and when my users telnet in, ssh in or
login from a terminal, it does not tell them they have new mail, when they
do (in the case of ssh, it says "no mail" regardless).  I am using
/home/<user>/Mailbox for delivery.  For telnet, I'm using telnetd via inetd,
and sshd2 for ssh connections. I RTFAQ, and didn't see anything that
specifically addressed that issue. What do I need to change?

Thanks for your help!





On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 09:12:44AM -0800, Scott Schappell wrote:
> Greetings!
> 
> I am using qmail with FreeBSD 3.3, and when my users telnet in, ssh in or
> login from a terminal, it does not tell them they have new mail, when they
> do (in the case of ssh, it says "no mail" regardless).  I am using
> /home/<user>/Mailbox for delivery.  For telnet, I'm using telnetd via inetd,
> and sshd2 for ssh connections. I RTFAQ, and didn't see anything that
> specifically addressed that issue. What do I need to change?

This is a Unix issue more than a qmail issue.

Firstly you need to work out what it is that tells you whether you
have mail or not. Can I suggest you look at the characteristics of the
shell you are running - especially wrt anything to do with email?

Once you've done that work, you might explore whether that
characteristic can be modified to look at your Mailbox.

If you do that work and find out what to do, you might want to post
your results here to help future people with the same question.


Regards.




Scott Schappell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I am using qmail with FreeBSD 3.3, and when my users telnet in, ssh in or
> login from a terminal, it does not tell them they have new mail, when they
> do (in the case of ssh, it says "no mail" regardless).  I am using
> /home/<user>/Mailbox for delivery.  For telnet, I'm using telnetd via inetd,
> and sshd2 for ssh connections. I RTFAQ, and didn't see anything that
> specifically addressed that issue. What do I need to change?

Write a script for your system-wide .bashrc which does something like
"Check the contents of $HOME/Mailbox for new messages and print 'You have
new mail' if there is any".

If you deliver to $HOME/Maildir/, all you have to do is check whether there
are any files in $HOME/Maildir/new/ .

Charles
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Scott Schappell wrote:

> Greetings!
> 
> I am using qmail with FreeBSD 3.3, and when my users telnet in, ssh in or
> login from a terminal, it does not tell them they have new mail, when they
> do (in the case of ssh, it says "no mail" regardless).  I am using
> /home/<user>/Mailbox for delivery.  For telnet, I'm using telnetd via inetd,
> and sshd2 for ssh connections. I RTFAQ, and didn't see anything that
> specifically addressed that issue. What do I need to change?

It's shell specific.  In tcsh I added

set mail = (~$USER/Mailbox)

to my .cshrc and get notifications all the time.  You may need to set
the MAIL env variable to ~/Mailbox in your case.  It all depends on 
what shell you use.

Vince.
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"Scott Schappell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  I am using qmail with FreeBSD 3.3, and when my users telnet in, ssh in or
  login from a terminal, it does not tell them they have new mail, when they
  do (in the case of ssh, it says "no mail" regardless).  I am using
  /home/<user>/Mailbox for delivery.  For telnet, I'm using telnetd via inetd,
  and sshd2 for ssh connections. I RTFAQ, and didn't see anything that
  specifically addressed that issue. What do I need to change?

In /etc/profile, add

MAIL=$HOME/Mailbox
export MAIL

Add something similar to /etc/csh.cshrc.


(Be sure and educate the users, too!)




> From:  "Mark E. Drummond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date:  Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:16:20 -0500
>
> Wrong-o! Want to send a nicely formatted proposal (with appropriate
> highlights etc) to the department director so you can get funding for
> that million dollar server upgrade project? Good luck doing it in plain
> text. And tables?

Sounds like a job for PDF.  It'll even look the same everywhere.

Chris
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"Chris Garrigues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Sounds like a job for PDF.  It'll even look the same everywhere.

Or a URL pointing to HTML on a local web server.

-Dave




Mark E. Drummond wrote:
> Wrong-o! Want to send a nicely formatted proposal (with appropriate
> highlights etc) to the department director so you can get funding for
> that million dollar server upgrade project? Good luck doing
> it in plain text. And tables?

Actually, I've never seen anyone do anything USEFUL like that with it.  Real
business stuff like that either gets sent as an attached Word or Excel doc,
or a PDF.  Or paper.

You don't just knock up a million dollar proposal on the fly in an email
editor, y'know.

-Matt

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Chris Garrigues wrote:
> 
> Sounds like a job for PDF.  It'll even look the same everywhere.

PDF is very nice, I'd love to see it as a defacto standard, if not PS,
but Acrobat costs $$$ and I refuse to spend $$$ on something when a
perfectly good (free) alternative is available. Not only do I work at a
cash strapped educational institution, it's a government cash strapped
educational instituion!  We have standardised (for better or worse) on
Netscape Communicator so there is generally no problem with the content
being rendered wrong.

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"Jeff Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>This account is not on the list, but if you could respond to this I'd 
>appreciate it.
>I'm not sure if this is qmail or not, but I can't send messages outside of 
>our firewall, nor can I get messages in.

What happens when you try? They disappear? They bounce?

>However, I am able to email 
>interoffice.  So qmail is functioning, but only partially.
>
>I have checked our firewall processes, and the web server and SMTP mail is 
>running.  I then checked var/qmail/bin for any messages, and there are 
>sixty-two preprocessed messages. ( I am not sure if these are the messages 
>from outside).

Look at them.

>I have also gone directly to my Maildir and tried to list 
>messages from there, but it doesn't list anything.  In fact no ones does.
>
>Clearly, I am able to get on the net, so I don't believe that this is a 
>firewall problem.  If anyone has any clue, I'd  appreciate it.  Thanks!

One obvious thing to do would be to look at your qmail-send logs. You
might also run qmail-showctl and post the results.

-Dave




Thomas Schachner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Is it possible to set qmail to only allow authenticated smtp session to
>send messages ??
>
>RFC 2554

I don't know if it's RFC 2554, but there are patches on www.qmail.org
that implement SMTP authentication.

-Dave




On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Andras Tudos - Computronic, C3 wrote:

> At 2000.01.24 20:58, Monday, you wrote:
> >On 24/01 19:28, Andras Tudos - Computronic, C3 wrote:
> >
> > > I have an operational theory question: when the load in a qmail setup
> > > [...snip...]
> > > not occur in a sendmail or other MTA based system.
> >
> >What operating system?  Are you using Maildir or mailbox?
> 
> Solaris 2.6 and Maildir.
> 
> But I think the answer was given already: the problem is the flat
> queue/todo folder and the solution is the big-todo patch. Of course
> the most important is to have enough I/O to be able to deliver without
> filling up the queue: the disk subsystem was the real bottleneck,
> which is being upgraded now.
If you use online disk-suite to create a logging file-system you will find
the write-performance of Maildir will increase significantly as
directory write operations no-longer become synchronous. This will speedup
local delivery under high loads.

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Joe Millay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>QUESTION #1:
>The [LWQ] instructions say there should be a file named INSTALL.ids in the
>source directory. I couldn't find it, so per the instructions I added:
>
>alias:*:7790:2108::/var/qmail/alias:/bin/true
>    qmaild:*:7791:2108::/var/qmail:/bin/true
>    qmaill:*:7792:2108::/var/qmail:/bin/true
>    qmailp:*:7793:2108::/var/qmail:/bin/true
>    qmailq:*:7794:2107::/var/qmail:/bin/true
>    qmailr:*:7795:2107::/var/qmail:/bin/true
>    qmails:*:7796:2107::/var/qmail:/bin/true
>
>to the /etc/passwd file.
>
>I did the "make setup check" command and the "./config-fast
>the.full.hostname"  command. Both seemed to work fine.
>
>NOW, I have a file named INSTALL.ids in the
>/usr/local/src/qmail/qmail-1.03/ directory. So, should I edit that file
>now?

No. It's documentation, not a config file.

>QUESTION #2:
>I am getting ready to install ucspi-tcp and daemontools, but I am not
>sure what they do, or if I really need to do so. Can anyone help with
>this?

You don't need to be sure of what they do to install them. If you want
to follow the LWQ directions, they're absolutely mandatory. If you
want to satisfy your curiosity about what they do, it's right there in
LWQ, specifically at:

  http://Web.InfoAve.Net/~dsill/lwq.html#daemontools
  http://Web.InfoAve.Net/~dsill/lwq.html#ucspi-tcp

>QUESTION #3:
>I've read forward in the instructions and I see that I will add users
>like the following:
>=address:user:uid:gid:directory:dash:extension:

You *could* do that, but if you think you *must*, you're mistaken.

You don't need to use qmail-users to allow normal users to receive
mail.

>The instructions say that the directory /var/qmail/users contains a
>series of configuration files, but mine is empty (the directory contains
>no files). Am I to create the config files, or will they be setup later?
>I am extremely confused about this portion of the setup.

qmail-users is optional. *If* you want to use it, you'll need to
populate /var/qmail/users.

-Dave




Scott Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>How do I set *.domain as a local delivery in
>/var/qmail/control/locals or do I need to do something entirly
>different?

There's no wildcard mechanism for control/locals. You'll need to list
all of the domains.

-Dave




On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 12:48:51PM -0500, Dave Sill wrote:
> Scott Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >How do I set *.domain as a local delivery in
> >/var/qmail/control/locals or do I need to do something entirly
> >different?
> There's no wildcard mechanism for control/locals. You'll need to list
> all of the domains.

You could give my patch a try, which adds regular expressions to
 control/locals. But I have no numbers on performance issues.

Look at http://beteigeuze.cs.tu-berlin.de/linux/qmail/

Greetings
-- 
Robert Sander




I sent this separately to Robert, then realized he wasn't the original
questioner :). From what I noticed, in my locals file all it says is:

localhost
silvertree.org

And any mail addressed to <user>@<sub>.silvertree.org gets delivered as a
local.  As an example, I have the following hosts:
tintagel
mordred
arthur
ygraine

and mail sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] still gets delivered to the
qmail box, and tintagel's machine is still being built :).  My understanding
is that the entry "silvertree.org" equates to "*.silvertree.org", at least
that's I gleaned from the brief FAQ entry.  Of course, I also may not be
understanding his question.  That also has to assume the MX entry is correct
for his domain, that all mail goes to that machine.
In my example: silvertree.org IN MX 10 arthur.silvertree.org.

The FAQ I am referencing is:
http://cr.yp.to/qmail/faq/incominghost.html#local

Hope that helps.

Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Sander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: subdomain qmail locals


> On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 12:48:51PM -0500, Dave Sill wrote:
> > Scott Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >How do I set *.domain as a local delivery in
> > >/var/qmail/control/locals or do I need to do something entirly
> > >different?
> > There's no wildcard mechanism for control/locals. You'll need to list
> > all of the domains.
>
> You could give my patch a try, which adds regular expressions to
>  control/locals. But I have no numbers on performance issues.
>
> Look at http://beteigeuze.cs.tu-berlin.de/linux/qmail/
>
> Greetings
> --
> Robert Sander
>






On 27-Jan-00 Scott Schappell wrote:
<SNIP>
> That also has to assume the MX entry is correct
> for his domain, that all mail goes to that machine.
> In my example: silvertree.org IN MX 10 arthur.silvertree.org.
> 
> The FAQ I am referencing is:
> http://cr.yp.to/qmail/faq/incominghost.html#local
> 
<SNIP>

I have read this FAQ but failed to understand it because I did 
not know what they meant by DNS entry. Maybe I should explain 
the situation a little better.

I am not the server administrator. I am just a Perl programmer
trying to make things work correctly for a program I wrote. The
server administrator told me the only way to get mail from
<anyone>@<sub>.domain was to add an entry in /var/qmail/control/locals
for each <sub>.domain. I did not believe him because the amount
of entries in that file could be over 3000 (eek) so I tested it
and my test email was bounced.

I sent an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] domain was entered in
/var/qmail/control/locals but sub.domain was not. There was a line in
/etc/aliases.cdb for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to be delivered to me@domain 
and the email bounced. The log said that qmail was not trying to
deliver it locally.

The program I am writting will just need to set up forwards for 
people that do not have an actual local email account just a 
subdomain account.

I guess what my question should have been was where do I need to make
entries when someone signs up for an email forward account?
The forwards will be done with fastforward and I have already made the
script that writes them to /etc/aliases.cdb.

Sorry for the confusion
Scott

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On 27-Jan-00 Robert Sander wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 12:48:51PM -0500, Dave Sill wrote:
>> Scott Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >How do I set *.domain as a local delivery in
>> >/var/qmail/control/locals or do I need to do something entirly
>> >different?
>> There's no wildcard mechanism for control/locals. You'll need to list
>> all of the domains.
> 
> You could give my patch a try, which adds regular expressions to
>  control/locals. But I have no numbers on performance issues.
> 
> Look at http://beteigeuze.cs.tu-berlin.de/linux/qmail/
> 
> Greetings
> -- 
> Robert Sander

I just downloaded that patch. You said you do not have any benchmark
results from it but do you think is will be faster to do
^([^\.]+\.)?domain$ or list 3000 sub.domain. Both at this point are
an option.

Thanks
Scott

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Date:      28-Jan-00
Time:      00:19:34
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Question: How can i configure same name for two different domains. As alias
>in QMAIL directory forwards the mail only through the user name and it
>doesn't see the domain name.  I feel the problem can be sorted out by "
>Virtual Domain " concept.
>
>     Kindly suggest is this the right solution if yes, how it can be
>implemented.

Yes, this is what virtual domains are used for. See:

  http://Web.InfoAve.Net/~dsill/lwq.html#virtual-domains

-Dave





Hi


Is it possible to stop qmail sending or receiving email if the from: and to:
fields contain incomplete addresses i.e. username and not
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Your help is really appreciated.





"Adil Tahiri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Is it possible to stop qmail sending or receiving email if the from: and to:
>fields contain incomplete addresses i.e. username and not
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]

qmail doesn't look at the From: or To: fields. It uses the SMTP
envelope addresses. There's no easy way to filter them for incomplete
specifications. Perhaps the SPAMCONTROL patch posted recently
does. Dr. Hoffman?

-Dave




Recently saw a short thread on procmail with qmail, but I'm having
another error...
I used the patch on the qmail webpage to patch procmail for Maildirs.  I
got the qmail-procmail script from the archives to change the exit codes
in procmail to something qmail can understand, and in the user
directory, .qmail contains:
./Maildir/
|/usr/sbin/qmail-procmail

procmail seems to be working, but it is annoying to see the following
error in my /var/log/qmail/current log file:

biglongnumber starting delivery 337: msg 2087 to local
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
biglongnumber status: local 1/10 remote 1/20
biglongnumber delivery 337: success:
procmail:_Couldn't_chdir_to_""/procmail:_Skipped_"$HOME/Mail"/did_1+0+1/

biglongnumber status: local 1/10 remote 1/20

Also, relating to my logs, I sometimes see
deferral:
Sorry,_I_wasn't_able_to_establish_an_SMTP_connection._(#4.4.1)/

Thanks for any clues you can give me!

-Jennifer





Thanks  for all the suggestions and answers.  In the end, though, I tried
the simple fix of:

# ln -s /home/<user>/Mailbox <user>
# chown <user> <file>
# chgrp <group> <user>
# chmod 500 <user>

and it worked just fine, whether connecting via telnet, ssh or a term.  Only
odd thing I noticed was that the owner of the symlinks was changed to root
and group mail, and the permissions were changed to u=rx g=rx o=rx, however,
as long as the Mailbox file in the users home directory is set properly, it
still can't be viewed by others were someone to try to % cat
/var/mail/archon.  Sure, it's not elegant, but it worked :)

Thanks again!





Using the straight script out of LWQ a: script stop
will kill smtpd and pop3 supervise, but not the underlying
tcpserver and then restarting doesn't work becasue the port
is bound.

Here's the run files:
#!/bin/sh
QMAILDUID=`id -u qmaild`
NOFILESGID=`id -g qmaild`
exec /usr/local/bin/softlimit -m 2000000 \
    /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -p -x /etc/tcprules.d/qmail-smtpd.cdb \
        -u $QMAILDUID -g $NOFILESGID 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd 2>&1 \
          |/usr/local/bin/tai64n |/usr/local/bin/tai64nlocal
and
#!/bin/sh
exec env PATH="/var/qmail/bin:$PATH" \
  /usr/local/bin/softlimit -m 2000000 \
    /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -R 0 pop-3 qmail-popup famvid.com \
        checkpassword qmail-pop3d Maildir 2>&1 \
          |/usr/local/bin/tai64n |/usr/local/bin/tai64nlocal

Thanks in advance,
Bill

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I have 36 messages which appear to be permanently stuck in the queue,
I'm running qmail 1.03 with the holdremote patch on Mandrake Linux
6.1.

Normally everything runs quite smoothly but I sent a *lot* of mail
(by my standards!) last night, probably a few hundred messages in
ten minutes or so and these 36 messages have 'stuck'.  Most of the
messages were to the same destination so I can't see what's special
about these.

qmail-qstat reports:-
messages in queue: 36
messages in queue but not yet preprocessed: 0

qmail-qread reports:-
26 Jan 2000 21:31:44 GMT  #20516  1597  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
        remote  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
26 Jan 2000 21:31:44 GMT  #20517  1612  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
        remote  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
26 Jan 2000 21:31:45 GMT  #20518  2339  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
        remote  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
26 Jan 2000 21:31:45 GMT  #20519  3708  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
        remote  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[plus lots more similar]

I have tried 'kill -ALRM <qmail-send>' but that doesn't seem to
encourage anything to happen.  What do I have to do to get rid of these
messages?  It doesn't matter too much if there lost even.

-- 
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On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 08:31:09PM +0000, Chris Green wrote:
> I have 36 messages which appear to be permanently stuck in the queue,
> I'm running qmail 1.03 with the holdremote patch on Mandrake Linux
> 6.1.
> 
> Normally everything runs quite smoothly but I sent a *lot* of mail
> (by my standards!) last night, probably a few hundred messages in
> ten minutes or so and these 36 messages have 'stuck'.  Most of the
> messages were to the same destination so I can't see what's special
> about these.

What did you conclude from looking at the log messages associated
with sending these messages? Do the log messages indicate a reason
why they might be "stuck"? Is it a reason that you can fix? Is it
a reason that someone else is likely to fix?


Regards.




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On 27 Jan 00, at 20:31, Chris Green wrote:
> I have tried 'kill -ALRM <qmail-send>' but that doesn't seem to
> encourage anything to happen. 

Try running qmail-tcpok _before_ ALRMing qmail-send.

> What do I have to do to get rid of these
> messages?  It doesn't matter too much if there lost even.

Why does it matter then that they're in queue? If they're 
undeliverable for a week, they'll get deleted (bounced) anyway.

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On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 09:39:58PM -0000, Petr Novotny wrote:
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> On 27 Jan 00, at 20:31, Chris Green wrote:
> > I have tried 'kill -ALRM <qmail-send>' but that doesn't seem to
> > encourage anything to happen. 
> 
> Try running qmail-tcpok _before_ ALRMing qmail-send.
> 
Nothing interesting happens.

> > What do I have to do to get rid of these
> > messages?  It doesn't matter too much if there lost even.
> 
> Why does it matter then that they're in queue? If they're 
> undeliverable for a week, they'll get deleted (bounced) anyway.
> 
A good point, maybe I'll just forget about them until they get sent
back to me.

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On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 12:39:11PM -0800, Mark Delany wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 08:31:09PM +0000, Chris Green wrote:
> > I have 36 messages which appear to be permanently stuck in the queue,
> > I'm running qmail 1.03 with the holdremote patch on Mandrake Linux
> > 6.1.
> > 
> > Normally everything runs quite smoothly but I sent a *lot* of mail
> > (by my standards!) last night, probably a few hundred messages in
> > ten minutes or so and these 36 messages have 'stuck'.  Most of the
> > messages were to the same destination so I can't see what's special
> > about these.
> 
> What did you conclude from looking at the log messages associated
> with sending these messages? Do the log messages indicate a reason
> why they might be "stuck"? Is it a reason that you can fix? Is it
> a reason that someone else is likely to fix?
> 
Aha, a good point, sorry!  They have been 'deferred' because the
sender domain doesn't resolve, I 'bounced' them using mutt so the
From: address doesn't change and they were originally from a domain
that no longer exists!

Thanks for your help - I must remember to look in the logs next time,
a bit like RTFM but it's RTFL.

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Hi All!

How can I get the MX record for my domain? I don't have direct access to the
DNS.

Thanks
JES





On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 06:49:49PM -0500, Juan E Suris wrote:

> How can I get the MX record for my domain? I don't have direct access to the
> DNS.

Get or Set?

Get is:

nslookup -q=mx megsinet.net

Which gives:

megsinet.net    preference = 10, mail exchanger = mail.corecomm.net
megsinet.net    nameserver = ns1.megsinet.net
megsinet.net    nameserver = ns2.megsinet.net
megsinet.net    nameserver = ns3.megsinet.net
megsinet.net    nameserver = ns4.megsinet.net
mail.corecomm.net       internet address = 216.214.150.16
ns1.megsinet.net        internet address = 208.150.60.2
ns2.megsinet.net        internet address = 208.133.80.2
ns3.megsinet.net        internet address = 208.133.72.2
ns4.megsinet.net        internet address = 208.133.80.8

To set a mx-pointer, you need to contact your DNS-admin. 

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* Juan E Suris ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [27 Jan 2000 18:47]:

> How can I get the MX record for my domain? I don't have direct access to the
> DNS.

If you mean: How do I register the MX record for my domain:

        When you registered the domain, there were at least two
        DNS entries. Get the person(s) who operate/own these machines
        to add a MX record for your domain that points to the _name_
        of your machine.

If you mean: What machine does the MX record for my domain point to:

        Use either of the following two commands:

        % host -t mx domain.name

        or if this fails:

        % host -t a domain.name

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Thanks.

My problems is that remote mail is not arriving. The qmail logs shows no
SMTP acitivity what so ever, so this lead me to think that the MX is wrong,
but to my untrained eye it seems right.

[suris@domain qmail]# host -t mx domain.com
domain.com.domain.com is a nickname for www.domain.com
www.domain.com mail is handled (pri=10) by mail.domain.com

where mail.domain.com has same IP as domain.com.

All TEST.local tests passed.

Any suggestions.

JES

>> How can I get the MX record for my domain? I don't have direct access to
the
>> DNS.
>
>If you mean: How do I register the MX record for my domain:
>
>        When you registered the domain, there were at least two
>        DNS entries. Get the person(s) who operate/own these machines
>        to add a MX record for your domain that points to the _name_
>        of your machine.
>
>If you mean: What machine does the MX record for my domain point to:
>
>        Use either of the following two commands:
>
>        % host -t mx domain.name
>
>        or if this fails:
>
>        % host -t a domain.name
>
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On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 07:25:09PM -0500, Juan E Suris wrote:
> Thanks.
> 
> My problems is that remote mail is not arriving. The qmail logs shows no
> SMTP acitivity what so ever, so this lead me to think that the MX is wrong,
> but to my untrained eye it seems right.
> 
> [suris@domain qmail]# host -t mx domain.com
> domain.com.domain.com is a nickname for www.domain.com
> www.domain.com mail is handled (pri=10) by mail.domain.com
> 
> where mail.domain.com has same IP as domain.com.

It is *really* annoying when someone asks a question about suspected DNS
problems, and then disguises his domain name with a phoney one.

Anyway, in your case it looks like you have your MX record pointing at a CNAME.
Don't do that.

Chris





> Anyway, in your case it looks like you have your MX record pointing at a
CNAME.
> Don't do that.

  And, of course, fire your DNS admin.  BIND will complain very clearly in
the logs if you're pointing MX at a CNAME.  If they haven't been watching
the logs, then they are asking for very large problems.

steve





I am sorry if I was annoying, but my server has not been security tested yet
so I don't want to make it public until it is. When the time is right I will
not be so _annoying_.

CNAME?

JES



>On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 07:25:09PM -0500, Juan E Suris wrote:
>> Thanks.
>>
>> My problems is that remote mail is not arriving. The qmail logs shows no
>> SMTP acitivity what so ever, so this lead me to think that the MX is
wrong,
>> but to my untrained eye it seems right.
>>
>> [suris@domain qmail]# host -t mx domain.com
>> domain.com.domain.com is a nickname for www.domain.com
>> www.domain.com mail is handled (pri=10) by mail.domain.com
>>
>> where mail.domain.com has same IP as domain.com.
>
>It is *really* annoying when someone asks a question about suspected DNS
>problems, and then disguises his domain name with a phoney one.
>
>Anyway, in your case it looks like you have your MX record pointing at a
CNAME.
>Don't do that.
>
>Chris






> so I don't want to make it public until it is.
Bullshit. When you expect to get mail there through a mx record your 
server IS public known.

Simple question: is your SMTP server running? YOu can test it by 
telnetting to port 25 on your machine. Does your successful test 
connection show up in the logs? If not, you logging is broken.

You SHOULD read a DNS book (DNS and BIND by O'Reilly f.e.) or get the 
qmail and DNS training by Russel Nelson in Oslo :)

Regards, Frank




Title: RE: FLUSH QUEUE

properly reading the documentation will reveil that if you send an ALRM to qmail-send daemon, it will then start flushing the queue, although qmail will do this automatically after a while of idling

--Stephen

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From: root [mailto:root]On Behalf Of TAG
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 7:52 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FLUSH QUEUE


HI ALL,

IS there a way of flushing the qmail queue - PLEASE HELP!!!

Many thanks

_Tonino





On Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 09:23:39PM -0800, Faried Nawaz wrote:
> Stig Hackv�n wrote:
> 
>   qmail invokes commands with /bin/sh regardless of the user's login shell, so even 
>if a user has /bin/false for a shell, that user's .qmail file can be used to gain 
>shell access.
> 
> And how does someone with /bin/false as their shell put commands in their
> .qmail files?

ftp is one way.

>   i consider this to be a qmail bug.
> 
> I consider it a site-specific  administrative problem.

is it reasonable to use the shell field of the password database to permit or deny
shell access to a username.  qmail should respect this.

        stig


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It's probably not a good idea to be using an ftp config that allows users
with non-real shells to log in. That's generally considered a Bad Thing
(tm). If you really want something that supports virtual-style users well,
look into NcFTPd. It's (mostly) commercial, and closed-soruce, but it does
the job very well.

At 11:07 PM 1/27/00 , you wrote:
>On Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 09:23:39PM -0800, Faried Nawaz wrote:
>> Stig Hackv�n wrote:
>> 
>>   qmail invokes commands with /bin/sh regardless of the user's login 
>shell, so even if a user has /bin/false for a shell, that user's .qmail file 
>can be used to gain shell access.
>> 
>> And how does someone with /bin/false as their shell put commands in their
>> .qmail files?
>
>ftp is one way.
>
>>   i consider this to be a qmail bug.
>> 
>> I consider it a site-specific  administrative problem.
>
>is it reasonable to use the shell field of the password database to permit 
>or deny
>shell access to a username.  qmail should respect this.
>
>       stig
>
>
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On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 08:07:28PM -0800, Stig Hackv�n wrote:
> 
> is it reasonable to use the shell field of the password database to permit or deny
> shell access to a username.  qmail should respect this.

The problem, as I see it, is that qmail is more flexible than e.g. sendmail
and not only uses the regular passwd db /etc/passwd to get the users
homedir. This means that all users may not even have an regular "account" on
the machine which is actually does the receiving/delivering pert of the MT
process.

What could be done is, however is to patch qmail-local to honour (i.e. let
them override the default "/bin/sh") the shells in /etc/passwd for those
users that actually _have_ regular accounts. For really paranoid
implementations, this patch could be made to DENY (default to /bin/false)
shell for those who lack shell in /etc/passwd.

One question arise: Is there ANY security issues WHATSOEVER to use the shell
defined in /etc/passwd? Only root should be able to change /etc/passwd. So
if root assignes a cracked shell to a user, then this is not a problem in
qmail-land? 

I leave the patching as an exercise to the reader.

/magnus

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I recently "upgraded" to the latest versions of ucspi-tcp and
daemontools on my qmail based MX. Although it seems to be operating just
fine, I get the following messages on the console:

supervise: fatal: unable to acquire qmail-send/supervise/lock: temporary
failure
supervise: fatal: unable to acquire log/supervise/lock: temporary
failure
supervise: fatal: unable to acquire qmail-smtpd/supervise/lock:
temporary failure
supervise: fatal: unable to acquire log/supervise/lock: temporary
failure

Here is one of the directories in question:

ls -l /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-send/supervise
total 2
prw-------   1 root     other          0 Jan 27 23:34 control|
-rw-------   1 root     other          0 Jan 27 23:30 lock
prw-------   1 root     other          0 Jan 27 23:30 ok|
-rw-r--r--   1 root     other         18 Jan 27 23:35 status

This is on Solaris 7. Compared against my Slackware Linux box,
everything looks the same. The 2 are set up identically.

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Hi,
I am working on qmail-1.03 on red-hat linux 6.1.
I accidently deleted  files named 1, 2, 3, etc from
/var/qmail/queue/local and mess.
now qmail shows:

Jan 28 12:09:57 alok qmail: 949041597.388541 alert: unable to opendir
mess/0, sleeping...
Jan 28 12:10:07 alok qmail: 949041607.398535 alert: unable to opendir
mess/0, sleeping...

and does not accept any messages for delivery.
I re-created the files and folders in above directories, but they were
of no use.
Is there a way to solve this problem.

thanks
Alok





The DNScache package includes a dnstrace tool that's designed to debug
these problems. ``dnstrace 15 briefme.com 192.5.5.241'' shows that

   * one of the briefme.com servers is down;

   * one of the servers says briefme.com MX remove-it.com;

   * the other three servers listed by the parent say briefme.com MX
     mail.remove-it.com and briefme.com MX 209.191.19.113; and

   * yet another server, not listed by the parent but listed by some of
     the children, also says briefme.com MX mail.remove-it.com and
     briefme.com MX 209.191.19.113.

There are, by the way, many subscribers to the qmail list whose domains
show similar inconsistencies between DNS servers.

Mark Delany writes:
> I get different results when querying that domain with dnscache and bind.

Random in both cases. An initial query to an empty cache is more likely
to get the mail.remove-it.com and 209.191.19.113 results, because that's
available from three out of the four immediately accessible servers; but
a query to an active cache is more likely to get the other result, which
has a much larger TTL.

---Dan




Sir,
 
I am using Qmail and I want to receive mail for "mynet.com.pk" and want to forward it to our another mailserver
 
"welcome.mynet.com.pk" for relaying.  But I want to make the Qmail an open relay too. So i deleted recpthosts to make open relay. I
 
put "mynet.com.pk" in locals but not in rcpthosts. I put ":welcome.mynet.com.pk" in smtproutes. Now what i get problem is that,
 
whenever I receive mail for "mynet.com.pk" Qmail tries to deliver it locally and doeasn't forward it to "welcome.mynet.com.pk".
 
 
 
Would you plz. tell me that how to do this ?




On the qmail list [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>I am using Qmail and I want to receive mail for "mynet.com.pk" and want =
>to forward it to our another mailserver=20
>"welcome.mynet.com.pk" for relaying.

OK.

>But I want to make the Qmail an =
>open relay too.

Umm, no.  Trust me, you do not want to do that.  What makes you
think you want to do that?  What agreeable things do you think
will happen to your server if you run an open relay on it?  I
can think of several extremely *dis*agreeable things, that's not
difficult.

>So i deleted recpthosts to make open relay. I=20

Bad idea.

>put "mynet.com.pk" in locals but not in rcpthosts. I put =

You want to relay mail addressed to mynet.com.pk to
welcome.mynet.com.pk, right?  Then mynet.com.pk should be in
rcpthosts, but not in locals.

>":welcome.mynet.com.pk" in smtproutes. Now what i get problem is that,=20

You want

        mynet.com.pk:welcome.mynet.com.pk

in smtproutes.

The rest depends on whether you are using the qmail machine as
an Internet gateway or not.

>whenever I receive mail for "mynet.com.pk" Qmail tries to deliver it =
>locally and doeasn't forward it to "welcome.mynet.com.pk".

With ":welcome.mynet.com.pk" in smtproutes, *all* mail will be
transmitted to welcome.mynet.com.pk. *Except* that addressed to
mynet.com.pk, since you had mynet.com.pk in locals.

Exactly the opposite of what you want, if I understand you
correctly.





Hello,

I wanted to stop sending males and I delete qmail/queue/mess and others.
But I can never remove files in qmail/queue/pid.
If I do, it happens Segmentetion Fault (Core dumpped.).

How can I do?

[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Ok, I know, this sounds quite controversial, and it's probably not even
qmail's fault, but I'm curious if anyone else has had the same sort of
problem.

A user just sent 2 subsequent mails to a mailing list, both including quite
large attachments (looking in ~user/list/archive, the files are 1,2Mb and
730kb respectively) to 21 users. This is quite heavy on a 128kbit line, esp.
since concurrencyremote is 20, so I expect that each qmail-remote takes its
share of the bandwidth, leaving 128/20 kbit per delivery.

So, naturally, I'll get a few defferals due to dead connections, but
eventually all the mail should get sent, so I don't worry about that. What I
do worry about is that I can't login because bash can't fork (due to lack of
memory,) that the load peaks around 2.40 and averages at 1.20 and that the
TCP/IP stack is dead. (I can't get a ping reply from our local network and all
connections seem dead.)

What could be the cause of this? Could it be qmail or just an instable linux
kernel?

Thanks for any comments.

System information:
PPro 180MHz
64Mb RAM
100Mb Swap
3Com 3c905B (Running in 100Mbit to the router)
Slackware 4.0
Linux 2.2.12 (egcs-1.1.2)

Using syslogd for logging (I know, I know.. I need to change. How about
syslog-ng btw?)

On the same server, I also run
proftpd
apache
bind
but it's on quite a small scale, and shouldn't matter much.

Thanks, Henrik.





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On 28 Jan 00, at 11:29, Henrik Öhman wrote:
> A user just sent 2 subsequent mails to a mailing list, both including quite
> large attachments (looking in ~user/list/archive, the files are 1,2Mb and
> 730kb respectively) to 21 users. This is quite heavy on a 128kbit line, esp.
> since concurrencyremote is 20, so I expect that each qmail-remote takes its
> share of the bandwidth, leaving 128/20 kbit per delivery.

Well, TCP/IP doesn't work this way. Each connection is trying to
steal as much as possible - only if the replies from the opposite
sides have (roughly) identical delays, the bandwidth is shared
evenly; otherwise, the more responsive hosts get larger share of
bandwidth. But anyway...

> So, naturally, I'll get a few defferals due to dead connections, but
> eventually all the mail should get sent, so I don't worry about that. What I
> do worry about is that I can't login because bash can't fork (due to lack of
> memory,) that the load peaks around 2.40 and averages at 1.20

Which processes are running (ie. actively working)?

> and that the
> TCP/IP stack is dead. (I can't get a ping reply from our local network and all
> connections seem dead.)
>
> What could be the cause of this? Could it be qmail or just an instable linux
> kernel?

Unstable kernel. What you describe looks like memory leak
somewhere in kernel (network part probably).

Simply, by calling normal functions, you CAN'T crash anything in
the kernel. qmail is a userspace program, not a kernel program.
End of story.

> 3Com 3c905B (Running in 100Mbit to the router)

Do you use Becker's driver, or 3Com's one?

> Linux 2.2.12 (egcs-1.1.2)

If it were 2.2.11, I'd know where the leak is... :-)

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Petr Novotny wrote:

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> On 28 Jan 00, at 11:29, Henrik �hman wrote:
> > A user just sent 2 subsequent mails to a mailing list, both including quite
> > large attachments (looking in ~user/list/archive, the files are 1,2Mb and
> > 730kb respectively) to 21 users. This is quite heavy on a 128kbit line, esp.
> > since concurrencyremote is 20, so I expect that each qmail-remote takes its
> > share of the bandwidth, leaving 128/20 kbit per delivery.
>
> Well, TCP/IP doesn't work this way. Each connection is trying to
> steal as much as possible - only if the replies from the opposite
> sides have (roughly) identical delays, the bandwidth is shared
> evenly; otherwise, the more responsive hosts get larger share of
> bandwidth. But anyway...
>

Ok, yeah, I was being a little brief there, but anyway. ;)

> > So, naturally, I'll get a few defferals due to dead connections, but
> > eventually all the mail should get sent, so I don't worry about that. What I
> > do worry about is that I can't login because bash can't fork (due to lack of
> > memory,) that the load peaks around 2.40 and averages at 1.20
>
> Which processes are running (ie. actively working)?
>

The curious thing is, when I started top, the CPU was 98% idle, so the heavy load
must have come during a very short peak. Also, memory usage had sunk to more normal
levels after just a few seconds (next time I tried to log into a virtual console, I
did not recieve an error message about memory shortage.) As I ran top, all the 20
qmail-remotes were S, as were all other processes (except for top.)

The only difference from normal behaviour was that I could not establish any
TCP/IP-connection whatsoever.

> Unstable kernel. What you describe looks like memory leak
> somewhere in kernel (network part probably).

Ok, an upgrade is due anyway. Too bad the kernel didn't say anything about it.

> Simply, by calling normal functions, you CAN'T crash anything in
> the kernel. qmail is a userspace program, not a kernel program.
> End of story.

Okay, then it should definitely be a kernel level error.

> > 3Com 3c905B (Running in 100Mbit to the router)
>
> Do you use Becker's driver, or 3Com's one?
>

Becker's. Any differences? Is 3Com's better?

Oh, and sorry if I seemed to unrighteously accuse qmail of something. ;)

Thanks, Henrik.



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