> I have talked to the original dns admins.
> to clear up the old dns records so that the MX and A records point to our new
> dns. but still seem to get bounced email when it goes thru the gcs.gateway(who
> owns it? i don't know). 

I've attached the bounce message from "gcs.gateway" (really ns.albertsons.com) 
for your perusal... 

> I am currently working with the albertsons email
> admins. to try and track where the problem lies. I appreciate your patience
> and understand your frustration.

What I don't understand is how list.cr.yp.to is sending the mail into 
albertsons.com - I don't think it is.  Are you sure you don't have a 
smtproute (or equivalent sendmail construct ) pointing into albertsons.com?

In any case it's still broken - I've had to firewall 
because I got sick of seeing it in my logs - sorry...

I also don't understand how (or something in there somewhere) 
is sending bounces back to the people in the From: header instead of the 
envelope sender, which would have sent it harmlessly back to list.cr.yp.to 
(except that you would have been automatically unsubbed from the list :), 
and avoided this whole thing...

dream:/ # nslookup -type=MX amstr.com 
amstr.com       preference = 10, mail exchanger = mail2.pilot.net

dream:/ # telnet mail2.pilot.net 25
220 mail01-oak.pilot.net ESMTP Sendmail; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 01:43:48 -0700 (PDT)
Authorized Use Only

Ahem. 'nother point for qmail...  :)


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