qmail Digest 15 Aug 2000 10:00:01 -0000 Issue 1093

Topics (messages 46642 through 46715):

not able to send mails via remote SMTP
        46642 by: Fat Toolz
        46643 by: Brett Randall
        46644 by: Erwin Hoffmann
        46645 by: Brett Randall
        46661 by: Erwin Hoffmann

Re: Multiple Mails with qmail-inject
        46646 by: Martin Sckopke

SMTP not running
        46647 by: Fat Toolz
        46651 by: Chris Johnson
        46711 by: Dale Miracle

Re: Multiple Mails with qmail-inject - Solution
        46648 by: Martin Sckopke

Re: Hard linking messages between maildirs
        46649 by: Slider
        46650 by: Slider
        46653 by: Paul Jarc
        46663 by: Slider

fetchmail & qmail
        46652 by: Sergei Smirnov
        46664 by: Dave Sill

starting smail-send
        46654 by: Clemens Hermann
        46657 by: Chris Johnson

Copying messages (was: Hard linking messages between maildirs)
        46655 by: Dave Sill
        46665 by: Slider

Re: Virtualdomians
        46656 by: Adam Goryachev

Someone have a bad experience with qmail once.
        46658 by: Sean C Truman
        46659 by: Charles Cazabon
        46687 by: Michael T. Babcock
        46706 by: Eric Cox

local email stuck in que until i restart qmailsend?? help
        46660 by: J
        46662 by: Dave Sill
        46707 by: Eric Cox

Everything up and running!
        46666 by: Fat Toolz

checkpassword ...
        46667 by: Juan Calderon

Cyrus - Qmail Help.
        46668 by: bburnip.uniserve.com
        46671 by: Steve Kennedy

Limiting Relaying
        46669 by: Dorian McFarlane
        46670 by: James Raftery

Debian GNU/Linux (potato) Packages: var-qmail
        46672 by: Gerrit Pape

Re: starting qmail-send
        46673 by: Clemens Hermann

smtproutes not working!
        46674 by: J
        46676 by: Charles Cazabon
        46677 by: markd.bushwire.net
        46678 by: markd.bushwire.net
        46679 by: Chris Johnson
        46680 by: Charles Cazabon

[OT]Mail::* Perl modules to validate email address (RFC822)
        46675 by: martin langhoff
        46681 by: Russ Allbery
        46688 by: Magnus Bodin
        46690 by: martin langhoff
        46693 by: martin langhoff
        46708 by: Magnus Bodin

Re: filters
        46682 by: Michael T. Babcock
        46683 by: William E. Baxter

Re: rblsmtpd and relays.mail-abuse.org
        46684 by: Michael T. Babcock
        46686 by: Michael T. Babcock

Re: legit mail being blocked because of relay methods
        46685 by: Michael T. Babcock

smtp probs
        46689 by: ameuse
        46691 by: markd.bushwire.net

Russ' rblsmtpd test robots.
        46692 by: Ben Beuchler
        46694 by: Russ Allbery
        46696 by: Chin Fang
        46698 by: Chris Johnson

deleting messages from the queue
        46695 by: wolfgang zeikat
        46715 by: Erwin Hoffmann

Can't Send mail to external recipients
        46697 by: Tim Jones
        46712 by: Dale Miracle

Dan's rbldns and the relays.mail-abuse.org domain
        46699 by: Chris Johnson

split local domain addressing
        46700 by: Andrew Gray
        46701 by: Chris Johnson
        46703 by: Andrew Gray
        46704 by: Chris Johnson

patch: ucspi-tcp-mysql.0.88.tar.gz
        46702 by: Sean C Truman

Re: split local domain addressing - similar question.
        46705 by: Marc-Adrian Napoli

Re: virtual domain (vpopmail): no mailbox here by that name (#5.1.1)
        46709 by: Dale Miracle

i can't get started?
        46710 by: Len Scotney
        46714 by: Dale Miracle

Absent message
        46713 by: Wilson Fletcher

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Hi,
 
I have strange problems with my SMTP. Local everything is working fine, even pop3 & checkpasword are running very good; the only thing is I'm missing to send emails with e.g. the Outlook Express Client (Receiving via pop3 is o.k.) I just checked qmail-show.ctl and found an Option
 
databytes: (Default.) SMTP DATA limit is 0 bytes.
and

qmqpservers: (Default.) No QMQP servers. (I don't know what that is...)
 
The error message coming from MS Outlook Express is
 
The connection to the server has failed. Account: 'qmail-tester', Server: '193.168.100.59', Protocol: SMTP, Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error: 10061, Error Number: 0x800CCC0E
 
The ping is working like every other service. Does anybody have a clue or a simple hint for me?
The qmail-control-files should be correct so far, too...
 
Thanks.
 
Stef




> The connection to the server has failed. Account: 'qmail-tester', Server:
'193.168.100.59', Protocol: SMTP,
> Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error: 10061, Error Number: 0x800CCC0E


Try to telnet to port 25 on that IP address. If you get a SMTP response and
prompt, then the problem is with the config of the smtp daemon. If you don't
get a response (ie it times out or disconnects immediately), then the
problem is either with the process on the machine (qmail-smtpd) or the
TCP/IP permissions (ie tcpserver allow/deny hosts). QMQP is irrelevant
(qmail queue protocol, not used often). The data limit is also irrelevant
(set to 0).

See what happens and let us know again.

/BR


Manager
InterPlanetary Solutions
http://ipsware.com/





Hi,


At 13:30 14.8.2000 +0200, Fat Toolz wrote:
>   Hi,   & checkpasword are running very good;  the only thing is I'm
>missing to send emails with e.g. the Outlook Express  Client (Receiving via
>pop3 is o.k.) I just checked qmail-show.ctl and found an  Option  
>databytes: (Default.) SMTP DATA limit is 0  bytes.
> and 
>qmqpservers: (Default.) No QMQP servers. (I  don't know what that is...)   

Thats ok.

>MS Outlook  Express is    The connection to the server has failed. Account:
> 'qmail-tester', Server: '193.168.100.59', Protocol: SMTP, Port: 25,
>Secure(SSL):  No, Socket Error: 10061, Error Number: 0x800CCC0E   

The SMTP Server uses SSL (Secure Socket Layer) and does not allow non-SSL
(TLS) connection. 

Have a look on qmail's home page and eventually include the STARTTLS patch
into qmail. 

The ping
>is working like every other service. Does  anybody have a clue or a simple
>hint for me? The qmail-control-files should be correct so far,  too...  
>Thanks.   Stef
> 

cheers.
eh.
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> > 'qmail-tester', Server: '193.168.100.59', Protocol: SMTP, Port: 25,
> >Secure(SSL):  No, Socket Error: 10061, Error Number: 0x800CCC0E
>
> The SMTP Server uses SSL (Secure Socket Layer) and does not allow non-SSL
> (TLS) connection.

This has caught me a few times...notice the 'Secure(SSL): No'...yeah it
means that SSL is NOT used. Stupid Microsoft thing, but this is displayed no
matter what the error is. Pointless having it there, but hey we're talking
about a transnational corporation here why would they care about a small
thing like this? :>

/BR


Manager
InterPlanetary Solutions
http://ipsware.com/





At 13:30 14.8.2000 +0200, Fat Toolz wrote:
>   Hi,   & checkpasword are running very good;  the only thing is I'm
>missing to send emails with e.g. the Outlook Express  Client (Receiving via
>pop3 is o.k.) I just checked qmail-show.ctl and found an  Option  
>databytes: (Default.) SMTP DATA limit is 0  bytes.
> and 
>qmqpservers: (Default.) No QMQP servers. (I  don't know what that is...)   
>MS Outlook  Express is    The connection to the server has failed. Account:
> 'qmail-tester', Server: '193.168.100.59', Protocol: SMTP, Port: 25,
>Secure(SSL):  No, Socket Error: 10061, Error Number: 0x800CCC0E   The ping
>is working like every other service. Does  anybody have a clue or a simple
>hint for me? The qmail-control-files should be correct so far,  too...  
>Thanks.   Stef
> 

Hi,

sorry my answer was misleading (damned X-HTML).

Your SMTP-Client is Outlook Express (on what OS?)
Your SMTP-Server ist qmail.

Try to telnet from your MS-WS to qmail to the SMTP Port 25. 
(use QVT/Net and enable "local Echo" and "LF").
Try to send to connect to qmail and send a Mail.

Report what happens.

cheers.
eh.
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Dave Sill wrote:
> 
> Martin Sckopke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >we're using a little script to do some header rewriting.
> 
> Sorry, that voids your qmail warranty. :-)

Thought so, too :-)

> 
> >It is called via .qmail-fixup-default.
> >The output of the script is the fed into qmail-inject,
> >QMAILINJECT=i.
> >Almost everything works as expected, there's just one
> >problem: if a mail is sent to multiple users, EACH of
> >them gets it multiple times. The number of individual
> >mails is equal to the number or receivers.
> >
> >The .qmail-fixup-default script is called n-times and
> >calls qmail-inject n-times (n is the number of receivers),
> >then qmail-inject sends each message n times.
> 
> If you re-inject the messages N times, wouldn't you expect to receive
> N copies? Unless your script re-injects it only for that copy's
> recipient..
> 
Since I haven't been able to find the cause for our problem, I wanted
ask
once more on the list:
The script re-injects a message it gets via std-in to qmail-inject

qmail-inject -f $SENDER -- < msg

But it looks like the script is called multiple times, but by whom?
Is this done by qmail-smtpd ?
How often does qmail-smtdp queue the message when there are 
multiple recipients either in CC: or TO: ??

> >We have this setup running for some years now but
> >recently upgraded hardware, kernel and qmail version.
> >Qmail was 1.01 and is now 1.03. Hardware is Intel,
> >OS is Linux.
> 
> What I can't figure out is how you managed to avoid duplicates
> before...
> 
I can't either :-(

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Hi Erwin, Hi Brett,
 
I just switched the SSL-Option (sorry, I forgot...), but the message still appears; now looking like
 
The connection to the server has failed. Account: 'qmail-tester', Server: '193.168.100.59', Protocol: SMTP, Port: 25, Secure(SSL): Yes, Socket Error: 10061, Error Number: 0x800CCC0E
 
Bret was right with his clues for I can not telnet to that port, that means qmail refuses me to use the SMTP, that's right? (the local mail-inject-test-procedure is ok, that's why I think so). I just try to reconfigure rcpthosts and locals.
 
Another reason might be, that I'm first sending SMTP (with "my server requires authorization) and check POP3 after that. I just dived into the Mailing List and found people having problems if they check the POP AFTER the SMTP. What do you think about that?
 
Stef




On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 03:05:54PM +0200, Fat Toolz wrote:
> Hi Erwin, Hi Brett,
> 
> I just switched the SSL-Option (sorry, I forgot...), but the message still
> appears; now looking like 
> 
> The connection to the server has failed. Account: 'qmail-tester', Server:
> '193.168.100.59', Protocol: SMTP, Port: 25, Secure(SSL): Yes, Socket Error:
> 10061, Error Number: 0x800CCC0E
> 
> Bret was right with his clues for I can not telnet to that port, that means
> qmail refuses me to use the SMTP, that's right? (the local
> mail-inject-test-procedure is ok, that's why I think so). I just try to
> reconfigure rcpthosts and locals. 

Did you do anything to set up qmail-smtpd? It doesn't get set up by itself; you
need to configure either inetd or tcpserver to listen for SMTP connections.

Chris




Chris Johnson wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 03:05:54PM +0200, Fat Toolz wrote:
> > Hi Erwin, Hi Brett,
> >
> > I just switched the SSL-Option (sorry, I forgot...), but the message still
> > appears; now looking like
> >
> > The connection to the server has failed. Account: 'qmail-tester', Server:
> > '193.168.100.59', Protocol: SMTP, Port: 25, Secure(SSL): Yes, Socket Error:
> > 10061, Error Number: 0x800CCC0E
> >
> > Bret was right with his clues for I can not telnet to that port, that means
> > qmail refuses me to use the SMTP, that's right? (the local
> > mail-inject-test-procedure is ok, that's why I think so). I just try to
> > reconfigure rcpthosts and locals.
> 
> Did you do anything to set up qmail-smtpd? It doesn't get set up by itself; you
> need to configure either inetd or tcpserver to listen for SMTP connections.
> 
> Chris

What you can try to do is telnet from the box that is running qmail but
telnet to 127.0.0.1 (localhost) on port 25 and see what happens.  I had
this problem with mine, I could telnet locally via local host but could
not from a pop client.
Re-name (temporarly) any permit and deny rules, run qmail smtp under
inetd (to rule out tcpservers own permit and deny policies) and also
check your qmail directory where your rcpthosts and other related files
are (normally control).  Make sure the names of the boxes you want to
talk to server is there.  Also check the services file to make sure it
is correct.
I was using outlook to test qmail back when I was setting it up because
I didn't want to add an account to my netscape.  I know I wasn't running
ssl so I couldn't figure out the error so I finally setup netscape
(added another user in addition to mine) and it told me the server
wasn't responding.  Another thing that could be happening is make sure
sendmail or any other server is running other then qmail's.

Let me know what you find.

                        Take Care,
                        Dale




> > >The .qmail-fixup-default script is called n-times and
> > >calls qmail-inject n-times (n is the number of receivers),
> > >then qmail-inject sends each message n times.
> >
> > If you re-inject the messages N times, wouldn't you expect to receive
> > N copies? Unless your script re-injects it only for that copy's
> > recipient..
> >
> Since I haven't been able to find the cause for our problem, I wanted
> ask
> once more on the list:
> The script re-injects a message it gets via std-in to qmail-inject
> 
> qmail-inject -f $SENDER -- < msg

Since it was entirely my own fault, I can as well
stand up and clear up the mistake I made:

There was one parameter missing from the call to qmail-inject:

You have to supply $EXT2 on the command line:

qmail-inject -f "$SENDER" -- "$EXT2" < msg

then the script is called twice, but the recipient is supplied
on the command line and not taken from the TO: or CC: line.
Everything works fine, now. Thanks to everybody who supplied
useful tips and hints.

        Martin
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Martin Sckopke                   Tel. +49-6201-503-74
Junkersstr. 2                    Fax  +49-6201-503-66
D-69469 Weinheim          [EMAIL PROTECTED]




There is an easier solution!

If [EMAIL PROTECTED] wants all mail that goes to him to be copied to
another maildir as well as for him to get a copy to go to another maildir.

1)[EMAIL PROTECTED] looks in the joebloggs maildir on the mailserver
whilst checking mail ... correct?
2) Create an additional maildir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
3)Create the maildir eg [EMAIL PROTECTED] ..
4)Create the alias file for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to then point to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
5)Ask Joebloggs to collect mail at the new locations ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

In brief, the target address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) now is split into 2
different location ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) which is the new location for the
original mail to be sent and ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) the newly created location
where he wants a copy to go to!

Sounds long winded and confusing but much better and there is the option of
growing the list of people who get a copy!

Regards

Slider



On 11 Aug 2000, (Paul Jarc) wrote:

> I'm a maildir user agent.  I've got a message in a maildir, and my
> user wants a copy of it in another maildir as well.  If the maildirs
> are on the same filesystem, can I just make a hard link, or do I have
> to make a copy?  The maildir specification doesn't explicitly address
> this, so a strict reading would say I should make a copy.  If I just
> make links, will that break any existing maildir code?

Well,

   I didn't know if it will answer your question, but I use a script to
post "bulletins" into my users maildirs, and I do that simply creating
hard links from the "main" bulletin directory to the Maildirs of my users,
and it are working well :)

                                                             Antonio.

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Apologese.... A slight type Error!

Point 4 should read

4)Create the alias file for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to then point to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]




There is an easier solution!

If [EMAIL PROTECTED] wants all mail that goes to him to be copied to
another maildir as well as for him to get a copy to go to another maildir.

1)[EMAIL PROTECTED] looks in the joebloggs maildir on the mailserver
whilst checking mail ... correct?
2) Create an additional maildir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
3)Create the maildir eg [EMAIL PROTECTED] ..
4)Create the alias file for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to then point to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
5)Ask Joebloggs to collect mail at the new locations ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

In brief, the target address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) now is split into 2
different location ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) which is the new location for the
original mail to be sent and ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) the newly created location
where he wants a copy to go to!

Sounds long winded and confusing but much better and there is the option of
growing the list of people who get a copy!

Regards

Slider



On 11 Aug 2000, (Paul Jarc) wrote:

> I'm a maildir user agent.  I've got a message in a maildir, and my
> user wants a copy of it in another maildir as well.  If the maildirs
> are on the same filesystem, can I just make a hard link, or do I have
> to make a copy?  The maildir specification doesn't explicitly address
> this, so a strict reading would say I should make a copy.  If I just
> make links, will that break any existing maildir code?

Well,

   I didn't know if it will answer your question, but I use a script to
post "bulletins" into my users maildirs, and I do that simply creating
hard links from the "main" bulletin directory to the Maildirs of my users,
and it are working well :)

                                                             Antonio.

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
| Antonio S. Martins Jr. - System Analist |  "Only The Shadow Knows   |
| WorldNet Internet Maringa - PR - Brasil |   what evil lurks in the  |
| E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]              |       Heart of Men!"      |
|         [EMAIL PROTECTED]                   | !!! Linux User: 52392 !!! |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
               This e-mail message is 100% Microsoft free!

                         /"\
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                          X   ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL
                         / \












"Slider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> There is an easier solution!
> 
> If [EMAIL PROTECTED] wants all mail that goes to him to be copied to
> another maildir as well as for him to get a copy to go to another maildir.

That doesn't cover my situation at all.  This has nothing to do with
delivery addresses.  I just want my user agent to copy individual
messages, selected by the user, from one maildir to another.


paul





Sorry !

I missed that they needed to be selected!

Sorry again!!

Slider



"Slider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> There is an easier solution!
>
> If [EMAIL PROTECTED] wants all mail that goes to him to be copied to
> another maildir as well as for him to get a copy to go to another maildir.

That doesn't cover my situation at all.  This has nothing to do with
delivery addresses.  I just want my user agent to copy individual
messages, selected by the user, from one maildir to another.


paul






hi!

all mail to my domain my isp send to user "domain". every 600 sec
fetchmail flush & received mail. but in local server the mail stored to
maildir owner "domain". normal, the mail must store to maildir owner
"anyuser"
fetchmail-5.4.5 are running:
fetchmail --qvirtual Delivered-To: --envelope Delivered-To:

------
Return-Path:  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Delivered-To:  domain@localhost
Received:  (qmail 16927 invoked by uid 7791); 14 Aug 2000 12:55:31 -0000

Received:  from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by localhost with SMTP; 14
Aug 2000 12:55:31 -0000
Delivered-To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received:  from mail.mydomain.com[193.7.14.3] by localhost with POP3
(fetchmail-5.4.5) for domain@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 14 Aug 2000
16:55:31 +0400 (MSD)
Received: (qmail 14646 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2000 12:45:49 -0000

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
------

Serg





Sergei Smirnov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>all mail to my domain my isp send to user "domain". every 600 sec
>fetchmail flush & received mail. but in local server the mail stored to
>maildir owner "domain". normal, the mail must store to maildir owner
>"anyuser"
>fetchmail-5.4.5 are running:
>fetchmail --qvirtual Delivered-To: --envelope Delivered-To:
>
>------
>Return-Path:  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Delivered-To:  domain@localhost
>Received:  (qmail 16927 invoked by uid 7791); 14 Aug 2000 12:55:31 -0000
>
>Received:  from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by localhost with SMTP; 14
>Aug 2000 12:55:31 -0000
>Delivered-To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Received:  from mail.mydomain.com[193.7.14.3] by localhost with POP3
>(fetchmail-5.4.5) for domain@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 14 Aug 2000
>16:55:31 +0400 (MSD)
>Received: (qmail 14646 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2000 12:45:49 -0000
>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>------

Did you have a question?

-Dave




Hi,

I installed qmail as described in Dave Sills LWQ from the tarball on a
SuSE Linux 6.4 machine.

After playing around quite a while qmail almost runs but I have one last
problem:

when qmail starts I still get the following message:

Starting qmail: svscan.

2 seconds later there comes the following message up repeatedly:

alert: cannot start: qmail-send is already running
alert: cannot start: qmail-send is already running
alert: cannot start: qmail-send is already running

qmail seems to run, there are 5 qmail processes alive.
What can I do to get rid of this message? Something is strange with this
message because there was definitely no qmail process running before (ps
-A|grep qmail).

Thanks for your help

Clemens




On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 03:56:12PM +0200, Clemens Hermann wrote:
> I installed qmail as described in Dave Sills LWQ from the tarball on a
> SuSE Linux 6.4 machine.
> 
> After playing around quite a while qmail almost runs but I have one last
> problem:
> 
> when qmail starts I still get the following message:
> 
> Starting qmail: svscan.
> 
> 2 seconds later there comes the following message up repeatedly:
> 
> alert: cannot start: qmail-send is already running
> alert: cannot start: qmail-send is already running
> alert: cannot start: qmail-send is already running
> 
> qmail seems to run, there are 5 qmail processes alive.
> What can I do to get rid of this message? Something is strange with this
> message because there was definitely no qmail process running before (ps
> -A|grep qmail).

What does your startup script look like? My guess is that it has an '&' at the
end of it. If it does, take it out.

Chris




"Slider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>another maildir as well as for him to get a copy to go to another maildir.
>
>1)[EMAIL PROTECTED] looks in the joebloggs maildir on the mailserver
>whilst checking mail ... correct?
>2) Create an additional maildir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>3)Create the maildir eg [EMAIL PROTECTED] ..
>4)Create the alias file for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to then point to
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] and [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>5)Ask Joebloggs to collect mail at the new locations ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

There's an easier solution!

In ~joeblogs/.qmail, specify two maildirs, e.g., ./Maildir and
./MailArchive.

-Dave





LOL there is that too!! ;o)


"Slider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>another maildir as well as for him to get a copy to go to another maildir.
>
>1)[EMAIL PROTECTED] looks in the joebloggs maildir on the mailserver
>whilst checking mail ... correct?
>2) Create an additional maildir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>3)Create the maildir eg [EMAIL PROTECTED] ..
>4)Create the alias file for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to then point to
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] and [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>5)Ask Joebloggs to collect mail at the new locations
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

There's an easier solution!

In ~joeblogs/.qmail, specify two maildirs, e.g., ./Maildir and
./MailArchive.

-Dave






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> > BTW, does anyone know how to make MS outlook to check mail before
> > sending.... is there a FAQ for all the mail clients on how to make them
> > check mail before sending?? I'm assuming this is frequantly asked but
> > haven't seen anything on it.... Of course, the reason is allowing valid
> > customers to relay and deny all others....

> From: Cyril Bitterich
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Use a recent version of outlook. There should be an option in the
> properties of the E-Mail settings under "Server". It's called something
> like "Server needs authentification". Mark that checkbox and maybe
> change the Properties to it.

This (from what the help tells me when I select it and press F1) seems to
imply that it will connect to some sort of SMTP service that will prompt
for a username/passwd. ie, not a vanilla smtp protocol....  BTW, is the
"Logon using secure password authentication" APOP or something else??

Regards,
Adam

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This was taken straight from the www.orbs.org site. http://www.orbs.org/otherresources.html
 
"Qmail admins: Qmail's current version is insecure by default. Most admins know enough to follow the instructions for securing it before putting qmail into service, however it usually drops ORBS test messages checking for UUCP pathing vulnerabilities - "! pathing" - into the admin mailbox. As ! is a standard network addressing indicator, this can only be charitably described as yet another Qmail bug. Qmail is extremely network unfriendly and has been known to cause effective denial of service attacks on other mailservers in its enthusiasm to deliver as many messages as possible in a short period of time. For this reason it is best reserved for mailing list server purposes only. "
 
 




Sean C Truman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This was taken straight from the www.orbs.org site.
> http://www.orbs.org/otherresources.html

This is at best a gross misstatement of the facts, and at worst is two pounds
of horseshit in a one pound bad.  All of these supposed issues have also
been discussed to death, on this list and elsewhere.  Let it die.

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And those on each side still disagree with each other.

The mailing list archives are, of course, full of this discussion and should
be consulted so that you can draw your own conclusions.  Unless you disagree
with ORBS, stating your opinions here is probably hazardous.

----- Original Message -----
> Sean C Truman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This was taken straight from the www.orbs.org site.
> > http://www.orbs.org/otherresources.html
>
> This is at best a gross misstatement of the facts, and at worst is two
pounds
> of horseshit in a one pound bad.  All of these supposed issues have also
> been discussed to death, on this list and elsewhere.  Let it die.





Sean, my friend, you are venturing into dangerous waters  :)

Check the mailing list archives to find out why...

Eric



> Sean C Truman wrote:
> 
> This was taken straight from the www.orbs.org site.
> http://www.orbs.org/otherresources.html
> 
> "Qmail admins: Qmail's current version is insecure by default. Most admins
[blah, blah...]




For some odd reason... one of my qmail machines is
"blind" to mail going to the same domain!  smtpd just
places them in the que and qmailsend doesn't see
them until I kill/restart qmailsend.  After I restart,
it sends them and then becomes stupid again and
doesn't
send any more that are que'd up after the fact.  It
does howeever see mail going to other "domains" and
sends it off right away.

Any ideas?  


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J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>For some odd reason... one of my qmail machines is
>"blind" to mail going to the same domain!  smtpd just
>places them in the que and qmailsend doesn't see
>them until I kill/restart qmailsend.  After I restart,
>it sends them and then becomes stupid again and
>doesn't
>send any more that are que'd up after the fact.  It
>does howeever see mail going to other "domains" and
>sends it off right away.
>
>Any ideas?  

Yeah. Post the following:

  1) output of "qmail-showctl" (unedited)
  2) snippet of qmail-send logs when a message is injected to the
     local domain and a remote domain (also unedited)
  3) output of "ls -l /var/qmail/queue/lock/trigger"

-Dave






J wrote:
> 
> For some odd reason... one of my qmail machines is
> "blind" to mail going to the same domain!  smtpd just
> places them in the que and qmailsend doesn't see
> them until I kill/restart qmailsend.  After I restart,
> it sends them and then becomes stupid again and
> doesn't
> send any more that are que'd up after the fact.  It
> does howeever see mail going to other "domains" and
> sends it off right away.

Check out:

http://Web.InfoAve.Net/~dsill/lwq.html#trigger

Eric




Hi qmail gurus :-),
 
Thanks for helping, I got rid of all problems (till now)! Thanks a lot. (Especially to Chris, Clemens, Erwin and Brett).
 
Stef




Hi. I'm using qmail-1.03 with openldap-1.2.11 and have applied
qmail-ldap patch (20000701). mail delivery is working fine, but when i
tried to configure pop3 i could not find checkpassword (just
checkpassword.o). The documentation says qmail-ldaplookup is similar to
checkpassword but i still can't figure how to use it.
I'm using tcpserver and it works with :

/usr/local/bin/tcpserver 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup server_name
/bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir &

when i don't user ldap.

another question :
if the directory where mail should be deliver doesn't exist then it is
created based on the mailmessagestore attribute in the ldap db and then
the Maildir is created. which maildirmake is used for creating this
Maildir? this is because i also need to use courier-imap which comes
with it's own maildirmake.

thanks in advance
juan calderon




Hi,

I'm having a few problems setting up cyrus and qmail.  
Qmail is currently being started with:
qmail-start '|preline -f /usr/local/cyrus/bin/deliver -
e -a $USER -- $USER' splogger qmail&

Delivery of mail to valid mailboxes works fine.  But if 
a message is sent that doesn't have a valid user, it 
just gets dumped into the mail queue.  (So, I assume 
qmail doesn't recognize that cyrus gave it an error 
message.)

I also had to relax permissions of the above deliver 
program so it could be executed.  I'm getting the below 
error message in my logs. 

Aug 14 07:20:50 relay2 deliver[32643]: checkdelivered: 
Unable to open delivered db: 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: No 
such file or directory

I've seen reference to a "cyrus - qmail faq" and I'm 
curious as to weather or not one still exists.  (The 
site I had a url for does't have the content any 
more.)  

Can anyone help me with this, or point me in the right 
direction?

Thanks,
Bryce


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On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 09:27:22AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I'm having a few problems setting up cyrus and qmail.  
> Qmail is currently being started with:
> qmail-start '|preline -f /usr/local/cyrus/bin/deliver -
> e -a $USER -- $USER' splogger qmail&
> Delivery of mail to valid mailboxes works fine.  But if 
> a message is sent that doesn't have a valid user, it 
> just gets dumped into the mail queue.  (So, I assume 
> qmail doesn't recognize that cyrus gave it an error 
> message.)
> I also had to relax permissions of the above deliver 
> program so it could be executed.  I'm getting the below 
> error message in my logs. 

We use this as a wrapper to cyrus deliver: -

/usr/local/cyrus/bin/deliver -a $EXT2 $EXT2
status=$?
case $status in
  64|65|66|67|68|76|77|78)
    exit 100
    ;;
  0)
    exit 0
    ;;
  *)
    exit 111
    ;;
esac

Steve

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Is there way to limit the size of attachment relayed through qmail-pop3d. I
would like to block email message with attachments greater than 10MB.

Any help with this matter wil be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Dorian Mcfarlane
Norlight Telecommunications
Network Engineer
phone: 262-792-7913
fax:262-792-7733
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On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 11:49:05AM -0500, Dorian McFarlane wrote:
> Is there way to limit the size of attachment relayed through qmail-pop3d. I
> would like to block email message with attachments greater than 10MB.

Hi,

You can set a blanket limit using control/databytes. man qmail-smtpd.
OTOH, you can use tcpserver to set a DATABYTES environment variable to
set different limits based on the source IP address of the connection.
(The value of the DATABYTES environment variable, if set, will 
override the value of control/databytes, allowing you to use
control/databytes as a default and DATABYTES env. var. for any
exceptions)

Regards,

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Updated Debian GNU/Linux (potato) packages for testing:

The var-qmail tree I announced on Mon, Jun 19, 2000 seems to be good.
I splitted the not yet released projects daemontools and ucspi-tcp, the
packages named so no longer contain any documentation. The man-pages are
available in daemontools-doc and ucspi-tcp-doc. Also daemontools no longer
provides a service directory or an init script. This work is done by
daemontools-run. qmail-run now depends on daemontools-run.

Beware, these debian-packages are unofficial, just for testing, please help
to get them approved by D.J. Bernstein.

o qmail_1.03-0.5_i386.deb
o dot-forward_0.71-0.2_i386.deb
o fastforward_0.51-0.3_i386.deb

o qmail-run_0.0.6_i386.deb
o daemontools_0.70-0.7_i386.deb
o daemontools-run_0.0.1_i386.deb
o daemontools-doc_0.70-1_i386.deb
o ucspi-tcp_0.88-0.5_i386.deb
o ucspi-tcp-doc_0.88-1_i386.deb

All these packages together set up qmail as mail-transfer-agent on Debian
potato.

Debian/potato users: Please test these packages and take a look if they
comply with http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html and
http://cr.yp.to/qmail/var-qmail.html , they may go into woody later.

Download:
ftp://ftp.innominate.org/pub/pape/Debian/unofficial/{source,binary-i386}/

Or just add
deb     ftp://ftp.innominate.org/pub/pape/Debian potato unofficial
deb-src ftp://ftp.innominate.org/pub/pape/Debian potato unofficial
to /etc/apt/sources.list .

Regards, Gerrit.

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Hi,

> What does your startup script look like? My guess is that it has an '&' at the
> end of it. If it does, take it out.

That is my script:

************************************************************************

#!/bin/sh

# Using stdout for logging

# Using control/defaultdelivery from qmail-local to deliver messages by
default

exec env - PATH="/var/qmail/bin:$PATH" \
qmail-start "`cat /var/qmail/control/defaultdelivery`"

*************************************************************************

the /sbin/init.d/qmail is as follows:

*************************************************************************

#!/bin/sh

PATH=/var/qmail/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin
export PATH

case "$1" in
  start)
    echo -n "Starting qmail: svscan"
    cd /var/qmail/supervise
    env - PATH="$PATH" svscan &
    echo $! > /var/run/svscan.pid
    echo "."
    ;;
  stop)
    echo -n "Stopping qmail: svscan"
    kill `cat /var/run/svscan.pid`
    echo -n " qmail"
    svc -dx /var/qmail/supervise/*
    echo -n " logging"
    svc -dx /var/qmail/supervise/*/log
    echo "."
    ;;
  stat)
    cd /var/qmail/supervise
    svstat * */log
    ;;
  doqueue|alrm)
    echo "Sending ALRM signal to qmail-send."
    svc -a /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-send
    ;;
  queue)
    qmail-qstat
    qmail-qread
    ;;
  reload|hup)
    echo "Sending HUP signal to qmail-send."
    svc -h /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-send
    ;;
  pause)
    echo "Pausing qmail-send"
    svc -p /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-send
    echo "Pausing qmail-smtpd"
    svc -p /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-smtpd
    ;;
  cont)
    echo "Continuing qmail-send"
    svc -c /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-send
    echo "Continuing qmail-smtpd"
    svc -c /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-smtpd
    ;;
  restart)
    echo "Restarting qmail:"
    echo "* Stopping qmail-smtpd."
    svc -d /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-smtpd
    echo "* Sending qmail-send SIGTERM and restarting."
    svc -t /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-send
    echo "* Restarting qmail-smtpd."
    svc -u /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-smtpd
    ;;
  cdb)
    tcprules /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb /etc/tcp.smtp.tmp < /etc/tcp.smtp
    chmod 644 /etc/tcp.smtp*
    echo "Reloaded /etc/tcp.smtp."
    ;;
  help)
    cat <<HELP
   stop -- stops mail service (smtp connections refused, nothing goes
out)
  start -- starts mail service (smtp connection accepted, mail can go
out)
  pause -- temporarily stops mail service (connections accepted, nothing
leaves)
   cont -- continues paused mail service
   stat -- displays status of mail service
    cdb -- rebuild the tcpserver cdb file for smtp
restart -- stops and restarts smtp, sends qmail-send a TERM & restarts
it
doqueue -- sends qmail-send ALRM, scheduling queued messages for
delivery
 reload -- sends qmail-send HUP, rereading locals and virtualdomains
  queue -- shows status of queue
   alrm -- same as doqueue
    hup -- same as reload
HELP
    ;;
  *)
    echo "Usage: $0
{start|stop|restart|doqueue|reload|stat|pause|cont|cdb|queue|help}"
    exit 1
    ;;
esac

exit 0

***************************************************************************************

this is the script suggested in LWQ. Is anything wrung there?

> Chris

Clemens




I have an smtproutes file that contains the following:

smtproutes:
chatfish.org:barbuda.chatfish.com
chatfish.net:barbuda.chatfish.com

I've also tried to use the ip address:
chatfish.org:[216.7.16.196]
chatfish.net:[216.7.16.196]

Both of these methods are being ignored by qmail. 
Qmail is taking the MX record before it looks at
smtproutes.

Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks a lot.

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J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have an smtproutes file that contains the following:
> 
> smtproutes:
> chatfish.org:barbuda.chatfish.com
> chatfish.net:barbuda.chatfish.com
> 
> I've also tried to use the ip address:
> chatfish.org:[216.7.16.196]
> chatfish.net:[216.7.16.196]
> 
> Both of these methods are being ignored by qmail. 
> Qmail is taking the MX record before it looks at
> smtproutes.
> 
> Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

Note the smtproutes entries you have are for "chatfish.org" and "chatfish.net"
_only_.  If mail comes for anyone at "host.chatfish.org" or similar, MX
records will be looked up as usual.

Or perhaps you didn't restart qmail after making the changes?

Charles
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On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 12:12:37PM -0700, J wrote:
> I have an smtproutes file that contains the following:
> 
> smtproutes:
> chatfish.org:barbuda.chatfish.com
> chatfish.net:barbuda.chatfish.com
> 
> I've also tried to use the ip address:
> chatfish.org:[216.7.16.196]
> chatfish.net:[216.7.16.196]
> 
> Both of these methods are being ignored by qmail. 
> Qmail is taking the MX record before it looks at
> smtproutes.
> 
> Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

Show us some logs and qmail-showctl. qmail-remote is known
to work as advertised wrt smtproutes.


Regards.




> Note the smtproutes entries you have are for "chatfish.org" and "chatfish.net"
> _only_.  If mail comes for anyone at "host.chatfish.org" or similar, MX
> records will be looked up as usual.

That's a good point.
 
> Or perhaps you didn't restart qmail after making the changes?

That's a bad point. Each invocation of qmail-remote looks at this
file so restarting qmail will not change a thing.


Mark.




On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 01:17:45PM -0600, Charles Cazabon wrote:
> J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have an smtproutes file that contains the following:
> > 
> > smtproutes:
> > chatfish.org:barbuda.chatfish.com
> > chatfish.net:barbuda.chatfish.com
> > 
> > I've also tried to use the ip address:
> > chatfish.org:[216.7.16.196]
> > chatfish.net:[216.7.16.196]
> > 
> > Both of these methods are being ignored by qmail. 
> > Qmail is taking the MX record before it looks at
> > smtproutes.
> > 
> > Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
> 
> Note the smtproutes entries you have are for "chatfish.org" and "chatfish.net"
> _only_.  If mail comes for anyone at "host.chatfish.org" or similar, MX
> records will be looked up as usual.
> 
> Or perhaps you didn't restart qmail after making the changes?

You don't need to. qmail-remote reads smtproutes for every invocation.

Chris




[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
> > Or perhaps you didn't restart qmail after making the changes?
> 
> That's a bad point. Each invocation of qmail-remote looks at this
> file so restarting qmail will not change a thing.

My bad.  I can never recall offhand the exact configuration changes which
require a restart of qmail.  In this case, it's unnecessary -- but it won't
hurt him, either.  It's not like rebooting the machine :).

Thanks for the correction.

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hello,

        sorry for the OT, but I guess/hope the knowledge I'm looking for is not
completely unrelated to this particular list, and I'm not aware of any
Perl-email related mailing list. 

        I'm trying to validate an email address as per RFC822, and, even though
I've seen a lot of quick'n'dirty regexps to do so, I'd like to use
actually RFC compliant code, known to work.

        Right now I'm perusing the Mail::* modules (docs and code), just
grabbed from CPAN, looking for validating code, and finding none
whatsoever. Has anyone experience with this modules? 

        As far as I can see, they are too high-level for what I'm looking for.
Or maybe I'm wrong?



martin




martin langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I'm trying to validate an email address as per RFC822, and, even though
> I've seen a lot of quick'n'dirty regexps to do so, I'd like to use
> actually RFC compliant code, known to work.

> Right now I'm perusing the Mail::* modules (docs and code), just grabbed
> from CPAN, looking for validating code, and finding none whatsoever. Has
> anyone experience with this modules?

Doesn't Mail::RFC822 have validation code?  I thought it did.

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On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 12:31:07PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> martin langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > I'm trying to validate an email address as per RFC822, and, even though
> > I've seen a lot of quick'n'dirty regexps to do so, I'd like to use
> > actually RFC compliant code, known to work.
> 
> > Right now I'm perusing the Mail::* modules (docs and code), just grabbed
> > from CPAN, looking for validating code, and finding none whatsoever. Has
> > anyone experience with this modules?
> 
> Doesn't Mail::RFC822 have validation code?  I thought it did.

No, but  Mail::Address [1]

or

RFC::RFC822::Address [2]

/magnus

[1] <http://www.perl.com/CPAN/authors/id/GBARR/MailTools-1.1401.tar.gz>
[2] <http://www.perl.com/CPAN/authors/id/ABIGAIL/RFC_RFC822_Address-1.4.tgz>

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list,
        silly me. read the faqs first! perlfaq9 tells me I cannot
validate
emails in such a way, and points to a possible (but imperfect) approach
by t.christiansen. 

        off I go, to see if that's useable.


        sorry for everybody's time and bandwidth. 



martin


pd: I did reply to myself so the (partial) answer gets to the archives
and we all let this thread die.




Magnus Bodin wrote:
> > Doesn't Mail::RFC822 have validation code?  I thought it did.
> 
> No, but  Mail::Address [1]
> 
> or
> 
> RFC::RFC822::Address [2]

        are you sure? I've been looking at Mail::Address and found nothing in
its code that hinted of ay validation. It looked like an 'address book'
mechanism, that built objects with a human-readable name and an address,
and provided a few functions on that. Not much more, and certainly not
any validation I could see. 

        as per `perldoc perlfaq9` there's no realiable way to tell a
functioning email address from a functioning diesel engine until you
actually send it. 

martin




On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 08:04:48PM -0300, martin langhoff wrote:
> Magnus Bodin wrote:
> > > Doesn't Mail::RFC822 have validation code?  I thought it did.
> > 
> > No, but  Mail::Address [1]
> > 
> > or
> > 
> > RFC::RFC822::Address [2]
> 
>       are you sure? I've been looking at Mail::Address and found nothing in
> its code that hinted of ay validation. It looked like an 'address book'
> mechanism, that built objects with a human-readable name and an address,
> and provided a few functions on that. Not much more, and certainly not
> any validation I could see. 

OK. I didn't check if it explicitly had a function called "validate" but I
checked the source of both these packages and both are able to _parse_ such
an address. 

>       as per `perldoc perlfaq9` there's no realiable way to tell a
> functioning email address from a functioning diesel engine until you
> actually send it. 

You _can_ tell if it's well formed. But on the other hand, all these
addresses are valid: 

%20 + [EMAIL PROTECTED]     or alternatively     "%20 + %20"@x42.com
"\@x42.com            or alternatively     "\"\\"@x42.com
at@at@[EMAIL PROTECTED]      or alternatively     "at@at@at"@x42.com

You can also do a MX check to see if there is a receiving party at all for
the domain mail. 

What you cannot check is whether the receiving party likes the local part 
(or accepts mail whatsoever, the MX may be misleading) or not. 

/magnus

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http://x42.com/




A slightly different version of the question: how would one go about
filtering for Mailing List (etc.) and adding [qmail] to the subject line on
one's own mail?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Raul Beltran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> hi, is there a possibility to automatically concatenate a string like
> "[qmail] " to the subjects of all the messages coming from this mailing
> list?





On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 11:49:12AM -0400, Michael T. Babcock wrote:
> A slightly different version of the question: how would one go about
> filtering for Mailing List (etc.) and adding [qmail] to the subject line on
> one's own mail?

You can do this with qtools.  The example programs include an
autoresponder that adds a subject prefix.  For more information, see

http://www.superscript.com/qtools/intro.html

Regards,
W.




I'm using it too -- but everything seemed fine with the patch so ... 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Rust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Odd that this issue has been so quiet. Are there really so few people
> using rblsmtpd?





Actually, no.  The output from one is automatically sent to the input of the
next as they execute each other.  The "\"'s are to allow the commands to be
on multiple lines.

----- Original Message -----

> * Robert Sander ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [11 Aug 2000 04:07]:
> > It seems to me that rblsmtpd can only take one "-r" at a time, as I have
> > version 0.70 that may be a bit old. But they can be ordered in a row, as
> > in
> >    rblsmtpd -r rbl.maps.vix.com \
> >    rblsmtpd -r dul.maps.vix.com \
> >    rblsmtpd -r relays.mail-abuse.org ...
>
> I believe you meant to write:
>
>     rblsmtpd -r rbl.maps.vix.com |
>     rblsmtpd -r dul.maps.vix.com |
>     rblsmtpd -r relays.mail-abuse.org ...





Exactly -- what if the 'relay server' accepted messages for delivery, and
then delivery failed.  It would notify the mailing list server that those
messages failed (if you're lucky).  Wouldn't one rather have one's own
mailing list server handle this work?

Definately sounds like a spammer's dream ;-)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Long" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> on 8/10/00 2:31 PM, Michael T. Babcock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > What you're describing, if it is indeed happening, sounds more like an
> > unintentional result of open relays and strange mailing list server
logic.
> [...]
> Even so, I'm not sure I would want to rely on other people's systems to
> deliver important mailing list messages from a list I would host.





Hello qmailers,

I am intermittantly getting this message and others like it in
/var/log/maillog

Aug 14 18:04:44 966290676.970269qmail qmail: delivery 143: deferral:
Sorry,_I_wasn't_ able_to_establish_an_SMTP_connection._(#4.4.1)

Everything was working fine when I had a Sendmail server as the primary
MX and it was just forwarding all mail to the qmail server. Now that the
Sendmail is gone and the qmail server is alone as the primary MX and I
am getting these messages every other time I try to send mail. The mail
just vanishes. no bounce or anything. It happens with internal or
external mail.

tcpserver setup is like:

/usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -R 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup
qmail.buyerzone.com /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d
Maildir 2>1& | /var/qmail/bin/splogger pop3d &

and

/usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -x/etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -c 600 -u505 -g504 0
smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd 2>&1 | /var/qmail/bin/splogger smtpd 3 &

apreciate any help

thanks,
andy





On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 06:24:14PM -0400, ameuse wrote:
> Hello qmailers,
> 
> I am intermittantly getting this message and others like it in
> /var/log/maillog
> 
> Aug 14 18:04:44 966290676.970269qmail qmail: delivery 143: deferral:
> Sorry,_I_wasn't_ able_to_establish_an_SMTP_connection._(#4.4.1)

There is nothing wrong with this. All it means is that the remote
system couldn't accept the SMTP connection at that time. qmail simply
tries again later on.

> Everything was working fine when I had a Sendmail server as the primary
> MX and it was just forwarding all mail to the qmail server. Now that the
> Sendmail is gone and the qmail server is alone as the primary MX and I
> am getting these messages every other time I try to send mail. The mail

Show us the log that shows that it's "every other time" please.

> just vanishes. no bounce or anything. It happens with internal or
> external mail.

"Just vanishes"? Are you sure it's not still in the queue? What
does qmail-qread show you? Did you check to see whether there was a
later delivery attempt that succeeeded?

qmail is not known to have messages "just vanish". They are either 
being delivered, bounced or they are still in your queue.

> tcpserver setup is like:

tcpserver is totally irrelevant to sending to remote servers.


Have a closer look at your logs files. They tell you what's going on.


Regards.




I just implemented rblsmtpd using the MAPS DUL.  I sent a message off to
Russ' testing bot and received the following reply:

======
Testing your DUL block.  See http://www.crynwr.com/spam/ for more info

Could not connect to 216.243.128.132: Connection timed out 
Attempting to run traceroute.  If the traceroute fails persistently,
then it's likely that the ISP where it fails is subscribed to the BGP3
version of the RBL, and is blocking RBL'ed hosts at the IP level.  You
should ask if that is indeed what they are doing.  If so, then you do
not need to use DNS blocking of the RBL.  
======

My question concerns the "Connection timed out" message.  Does this mean
that it literally was a time out?  Or will it give that message as well
if it receives the 553 from rblsmtpd?  (I'm running it with -b)  We are
not running the BGP version of DUL...  And the attached traceroute
reaches us just fine.

Thanks,
Ben

-- 
Ben Beuchler                                         [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MAILER-DAEMON                                         (612) 321-9290 x101
Bitstream Underground                                   www.bitstream.net




Ben Beuchler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I just implemented rblsmtpd using the MAPS DUL.  I sent a message off to
> Russ' testing bot and received the following reply:

MAPS has recently dropped the TXT entries from their zones due to zone
size problems; perhaps that's the problem?

-- 
Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED])             <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>




Actually, Prof. Bernstein's rblsmtpd still works fine with RBL and DUL
as of today.

As far as I know, MAPS dropped TXT entries from only the RSS zone so
far.  In fact, I am watching entries being blocked via rblsmtpd using
RBL and DUL at this moment on one of our incoming mail servers.

Regards,

Chin Fang
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> > I just implemented rblsmtpd using the MAPS DUL.  I sent a message off to
> > Russ' testing bot and received the following reply:
> 
> MAPS has recently dropped the TXT entries from their zones due to zone
> size problems; perhaps that's the problem?
> 
> -- 
> Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED])             <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
> 





On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 04:30:24PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Ben Beuchler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > I just implemented rblsmtpd using the MAPS DUL.  I sent a message off to
> > Russ' testing bot and received the following reply:
> 
> MAPS has recently dropped the TXT entries from their zones due to zone
> size problems; perhaps that's the problem?

What exactly were the size-related zone problems? Does anyone know whether
Dan's rbldns would handle it better?

Chris




i have a few messages sitting in the qmail queue that will never get
delivered - for example because the recipients' addies are on
fully-unqualified hosts.

can i just delete those messages to save qmail the retries and to save me
the final "sorry wasn't able to deliver" mail to postmaster@ ? or do i
have to follow some special steps to do so?

wolfgang





Hi,

you can try Michele Beltrame's "qmHandle":

http://www.io.com/~mick/soft/qmhandle.html

At 01:35 15.8.2000 +0200, wolfgang zeikat wrote:
>i have a few messages sitting in the qmail queue that will never get
>delivered - for example because the recipients' addies are on
>fully-unqualified hosts.

to avoid this, you can apply my SPAMCONTROL patch.

http:/www.fehcom.de/qmail.html

cheers.
eh.
>
>can i just delete those messages to save qmail the retries and to save me
>the final "sorry wasn't able to deliver" mail to postmaster@ ? or do i
>have to follow some special steps to do so?
>
>wolfgang
>
>
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| ff          hh                                                        |
| ff    eee   hhhh      ccc   ooo    mm mm  mm       Wiener Weg 8       |
| fff  ee ee  hh  hh   cc   oo   oo  mmm  mm  mm     50858 Koeln        |
| ff  ee eee  hh  hh  cc   oo     oo mm   mm  mm                        |
| ff  eee     hh  hh   cc   oo   oo  mm   mm  mm     Tel 0221 484 4923  |
| ff   eeee   hh  hh    ccc   ooo    mm   mm  mm     Fax 0221 484 4924  |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+




I've just built and installed QMail 1.03 under a homebrew Linux running
2.0.38 and libc2.01.  Even though it's an older kernel, I keep the
various networking packages updated.  I got hit with some heavy relay
hacks last week and I've just learned about qmail's natural defense
against unauthorized relay.

The installation appears good -- qmail-lint reports no problems.  I can
send messages from one internal system to any other internal system, and
mail to my domain users is received properly.  Also, if I use "echo to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] |/var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject", a message is
delivered with no problems.  However, when I try to use a standard UMA
like pine, or Netscape, I get the popular "sorry, that domain isn't in
my list of allowed rcpthosts" message.

I read the threads here and added entries to /etc/hosts.allow and
/etc/tcp.smtp as outlined.  But, the errors still occur.  Oh, and no
errors are sent to postmaster.  Of course, I've restarted inetd and
qmail.

What am I missing?

Tim Jones
[EMAIL PROTECTED]





Tim Jones wrote:
> 
> I've just built and installed QMail 1.03 under a homebrew Linux running
> 2.0.38 and libc2.01.  Even though it's an older kernel, I keep the
> various networking packages updated.  I got hit with some heavy relay
> hacks last week and I've just learned about qmail's natural defense
> against unauthorized relay.
> 
> The installation appears good -- qmail-lint reports no problems.  I can
> send messages from one internal system to any other internal system, and
> mail to my domain users is received properly.  Also, if I use "echo to:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] |/var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject", a message is
> delivered with no problems.  However, when I try to use a standard UMA
> like pine, or Netscape, I get the popular "sorry, that domain isn't in
> my list of allowed rcpthosts" message.
> 
> I read the threads here and added entries to /etc/hosts.allow and
> /etc/tcp.smtp as outlined.  But, the errors still occur.  Oh, and no
> errors are sent to postmaster.  Of course, I've restarted inetd and
> qmail.
> 
> What am I missing?
> 
> Tim Jones
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Check out this web site it explains how to setup qmail for mail
relaying.  Mail relaying is when a smtp server is asked to send mail to
another smtp server normally from a mua like pine,  or netscape's mail,
etc.  That is how an open relay'ing' (or spam) is performed.  An smtp
client from an outside domain sends an e-mail to an smtp server for it
to deliver else where.
With the mail relaying setup correctly if a system doesn't know a client
it will not talk to it which means no mail is accepted to be sent.

www.palomine.net/qmail/selectiverelay.html

                        Take Care,
                        Dale




As has been discussed recently on the qmail list, the RSS people have stopped
providing TXT records for the relays.mail-abuse.org zone, which breaks
rblsmtpd. It's been reported that they were having problems with the size of
the zone; I imagine that this means thatBIND was having problems with the size
of the zone.

As an experiment, I AXFRed a copy of the relays.mail-abuse.org zone, formatted
it for rbldns, and compiled it into a cdb with rbldns-data. I added a line that
said:

:127.0.0.2:553 Open relay problem - see http://www.mail-abuse.org/cgi-bin/nph-rss?$

which is all that's required for rbldns to return the appropriate A and TXT 
records. The whole cdb is only 1,276,699 bytes, which hardly seems
unmanageable.

Does anyone feel like doing periodic transfers of the RSS zone, running a
little script to put it in the right format, and publishing it with rbldns as a
test? I may do it myself if I can scare up an extra IP address.

Chris




Dear all,
        when two or more domains are set to local, how do I split say
info@localdoamin1 and info@localdomain2 to go to different accounts?
sorry if this is in the 'FAQ', I had a quick look but couldn't see any
related 'Q's

Regards

Andrew Gray
Network Administrator
NetConnect Communications

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ph +61 3 5332 2140

required email legal disclaimer
http://gray.ballarat.net.au/disclaimer.htm






On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 10:45:06AM +1000, Andrew Gray wrote:
>       when two or more domains are set to local, how do I split say
> info@localdoamin1 and info@localdomain2 to go to different accounts?

You don't. You make one of the domains a virtual domain.

Chris




Yes, well that is how I would have set it too, and it would be 
nice if I hadn't inherited a system with a rather sizable amount 
of users already installed, is there a way to acheive the 
same thing using aliases or such?

On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 10:45:06AM +1000, Andrew Gray wrote:
>       when two or more domains are set to local, how do I split say
> info@localdoamin1 and info@localdomain2 to go to different accounts?

You don't. You make one of the domains a virtual domain.

Chris





On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 11:48:01AM +1000, Andrew Gray wrote:
> Yes, well that is how I would have set it too, and it would be 
> nice if I hadn't inherited a system with a rather sizable amount 
> of users already installed, is there a way to acheive the 
> same thing using aliases or such?

Yep. Let's say your two domains are domain1.com and domain2.com. domain1.com
will be local and domain2.com will be virtual. In control/virtualdomains you
have:

domain2.com:alias-domain2

Let's say that the user name "bob" exists in both domain1.com and domain2.com,
and that you'd like to deliver the mail to different places. There are no other
conflicting names.

In ~alias/.qmail-domain2-bob you'd have:

&bob2

or wherever you'd like mail addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to go.

In ~alias/.qmail-domain2-default you'd have:

| forward "$DEFAULT"@domain1.com

That'll send all non-bob mail to a regular local user. This way domain2.com is
almost a local domain, with the exception of bob.

Chris




Hey all,
 
    I ran into some problem today on a couple of my own servers I went to implement vpopmail enable roaming users. Well short story I ran into NFS file locking problems trying to share the tcp.smtp.
 
Here is a patch for ucspi-tcp-0.88 This patch will check mysql relay table first. and then it will check the cdb file. the cdb file overrides all mysql returns. (Good for pop-3 to smtp authenication.).
 
tcpserver can be started with new flag (-m) like
/usr/local/bin/tcpserver -m -v -x /home/vpopmail/etc/tcp.smtp.cdb 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd
 
If you are running vpopmail 4.8.7 and would like the patch for roaming users to work off of database only please let me know. I have the patch available.
 
patch location:
 
Sean Truman




hi all,

just a question similar to this split local domain addressing issue.

domain1.com.au and domain2.com.au are both locally delivered domains.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] is a functioning mailbox.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] is to go elsewhere.

in the ~sales/.qmail file i have put:

|/var/qmail/bin/condredirect [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ `echo
"$RECIPIENT" | tr A-Z a-z` = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ]

can anyone else think of a better of way of doing this? its the only way i
have found to do it so far.

Regards,

Marc-Adrian Napoli
Network Admin
Connect Infobahn Australia
+61 2 9281 1750







Joel Gautschi wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> 1. every user in /var/lib/vpopmail/users works fine
> 2. every user in /var/lib/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.com doesn't work ;(
> 
> if I send a mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] i get the following
> error in the mail.log
> 
> --- from /var/log/mail.log ---
> Aug  9 10:15:20 joshua qmail: 965808920.712606 new msg 1507345
> Aug  9 10:15:20 joshua qmail: 965808920.713055 info msg 1507345: bytes 618
> from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> qp 31023 uid 64011
> Aug  9 10:15:20 joshua qmail: 965808920.767276 starting delivery 520: msg
> 1507345 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Aug  9 10:15:20 joshua qmail: 965808920.767613 status: local 1/10 remote
> 0/20
> Aug  9 10:15:21 joshua qmail: 965808921.007641 delivery 520: failure:
> Sorry,_no_mailbox_here_by_that_name._vpopmail_(#5.1.1)/
> Aug  9 10:15:21 joshua qmail: 965808921.071573 status: local 0/10 remote
> 0/20
> Aug  9 10:15:21 joshua qmail: 965808921.130812 bounce msg 1507345 qp 31026
> Aug  9 10:15:21 joshua qmail: 965808921.145955 end msg 1507345
> ---
> 
> the virtual domain directory looks like that:
> 
> joshua:/var/lib/vpopmail/domains/mydomain.com# ls -la
> total 12
> drwx------    6 vpopmail vchkpw       1024 Jul 12 11:54 .
> drwx------    3 vpopmail vchkpw       1024 Jul  5 10:34 ..
> -rw-------    1 vpopmail vchkpw         34 Jul 12 11:54 .dir-control
> -rw-------    1 vpopmail vchkpw         46 Jul  5 10:34 .qmail-default
> -rw-------    1 vpopmail vchkpw          0 Jul  5 10:34 .vpasswd.lock
> drwx------    3 vpopmail vchkpw       1024 Jul  5 10:40 info
> drwx------    3 vpopmail vchkpw       1024 Jul 10 09:51 info2
> drwx------    3 vpopmail vchkpw       1024 Jul 12 11:54 info3
> drwx------    3 vpopmail vchkpw       1024 Jul  5 10:34 postmaster
> -rw-------    1 vpopmail vchkpw        356 Jul 12 11:54 vpasswd
> -rw-------    1 vpopmail vchkpw       2492 Jul 12 11:54 vpasswd.cdb
> 
> I created the virtualdomain with vadddomain and the virtualdomain users with
> vadduser
> any idea what's wrong? do you need more information (log files or
> whatever...)?
> 
> btw: does the virtualdomain need an MX entry on the DNS server?
> cya
> Joel

To answer your second question yes you need an mx record for each
virtual domain.  In the dns record of each domain you can put the MX
name of the box running qmail/vpopmail.  What I have done on my box is
run several domains with qmail/vpopmail but in the MX entry for each
domain I put the name of the name of the box running qmail/vpopmail.
When the smtp server needs to deliver mail it looks up that domains MX
record then it will in order of preference starting at the lowest number
(normally 10 then 20, 30, etc what ever the numbering sequence is) and
tries the next highest and so on.  The sending smtp server will not care
it is delivering mail for abcd.com to wxyz.com, just as long as the MX
for abcd.com says to use wxyz.com 's mail server.  I hope that wasn't to
confusing if it was.  To put it in a nutshell, use the mail server box
running the vpopmail/qmail for the various domains as the mx for each
domain.  The mail servers will sort out what mail goes where once they
get it.

As for your other problem I had the same problem but only for local
delivered mail.  I sent a message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and would get returned because it couldn't find the
that person BUT if a person outside of thisdomain.com would send an
e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] it would go through fine. 
I was using a simular setup to you where I had my domain teoi.net as the
main domain and then the other virtual domains.  I had problems with
pop3 mail retrieval and delivering mail from a local user to another
local user.  What I did was recompile vpopmail with the following
settings making my domain a virtual domain along with the rest of them. 
After I did that I was able to send mail locally and my pop3 problem
went away.  These are the settings I used, you probably need to edit the
directories for your system, I am using OpenBSD 2.6 .

./configure  --enable-roaming-users=y --enable-relay-clear-minutes=120
--enable-ucspi-dir=/usr/src/ucspi-tcp-0.84 --enable-logging=e
--enable-tcpserver-file=/var/qmail/vpopmail/etc/tcp.smtp
--enable-qmaildir=/var/qmail
--enable-tcprules-prog=/usr/local/bin/tcprules

After I recompiled and setup my domain as a virtual domain along with
the rest every worked fine....well I did have a problem with the roaming
user but that ended up being a file permission / ownership problem.
I hope this helps you out.  I know I had quite a time with it till I
converted to completely virtual which works fine.  All mail is in one
directory tree sorted automatically by domain.

                        Take Care,
                        Dale




i hope i am doing this right?
please excuse a newcomer to the linux/qmail scene
after 20 years with PCs/DOS/Win, i am now trying to help with something
completely new

system is a PC with RedHat ver 6.2
trying to install qmail, with LWQ in left hand and mouse in right hand
files are qmail-1.03,ucspi-tcp-0.88,daemontools-0.70

generally found the LWQ very hand-holding, but having got to the end (page 23)
cannot get qmail to run

on reboot, the start-up screens show:

starting qmail execvp - no such file or directory     ???

what worries me is that the history page for daemontools show that some time
back execvp was replaced with pathexec, .........is this the problem?

also i am concerned that even though the 'qmail' startup script just starts, the
check of the PATH does not show /var/qmail/bin  ??

if i try and start qmail manually, with /var/qmail/rc, i get some messages that
say thattalk abour CNAME not working  ??

sooo many questions!

(i would have never got this far without LWQ, i found the HOWTO was too brief
for a newcomer)
 
if anyone can unravel the above it would be greatly appreciated

len (the old guy)





Len Scotney wrote:
> 
> i hope i am doing this right?
> please excuse a newcomer to the linux/qmail scene
> after 20 years with PCs/DOS/Win, i am now trying to help with something
> completely new
> 
> system is a PC with RedHat ver 6.2
> trying to install qmail, with LWQ in left hand and mouse in right hand
> files are qmail-1.03,ucspi-tcp-0.88,daemontools-0.70
> 
> generally found the LWQ very hand-holding, but having got to the end (page 23)
> cannot get qmail to run
> 
> on reboot, the start-up screens show:
> 
> starting qmail execvp - no such file or directory     ???
> 
> what worries me is that the history page for daemontools show that some time
> back execvp was replaced with pathexec, .........is this the problem?
> 
> also i am concerned that even though the 'qmail' startup script just starts, the
> check of the PATH does not show /var/qmail/bin  ??
> 
> if i try and start qmail manually, with /var/qmail/rc, i get some messages that
> say thattalk abour CNAME not working  ??
> 
> sooo many questions!
> 
> (i would have never got this far without LWQ, i found the HOWTO was too brief
> for a newcomer)
> 
> if anyone can unravel the above it would be greatly appreciated
> 
> len (the old guy)

I found a combination of LWQ and this page that I will give you together
helped me setup my system.  Both of these sites are very well written
and easy to follow.  I can say one thing about one of your problems is
with CNAME .  CNAME (if it is referring to one I am thinking of) is
conical name (not sure on the spelling of that but at 2am I am not
surprised  :)  ) in the dns (domain name service) record for a domain. 
In other words it is an alias to another name.  For example:  you have
box named  mailhub5   you could also have a cname (alias) of smtp or
pop3 pretty much any name you want.

The address for the other site is
www.flounder.net/qmail/qmail-howto.html  

Hope this helps!  If you have any further problems just post a message
and we'll give you a hand.

                        Dale




Please send replies to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as I'm not on the list at present (too 
much traffic).

I would like to send an absent message but I am finding it difficult.

I have tried the following in .qmail

        | preline -d -f -r mail -s "I'm away at present" $SENDER < ./awaymsg

Problems are:

        I don't get a copy of the message in my Maildir
        (the message actually gets lost
        I'd like to quote the message in the reply
        I feel I'd rather use qmail-inject but am not sure of the syntax to acheive 
equivalent results.

TIA

Wilson Fletcher
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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