qmail Digest 11 Oct 2000 10:00:00 -0000 Issue 1150
Topics (messages 50267 through 50365):
Re: spam alarm as result from "help with girlfriend"
50267 by: Johan Almqvist
50281 by: Dave Sill
Re: assign and deferring mail.
50268 by: James Raftery
50304 by: Michael Boyiazis
migrate to qmail
50269 by: Yamin Prabudy
Where are my Mails ? Please !
50270 by: Romeo Kienzler
50271 by: Charles Warwick
50273 by: Johan Almqvist
50291 by: Kris Kelley
Qmail Ezmlm Problem
50272 by: ROD
50299 by: Jamie Heilman
how to make qmail to send remote mail at particular time
50274 by: Milen Petrinski
50275 by: Tony Publiski (tonyp)
50279 by: Milen Petrinski
Delayed Local mail
50276 by: meric.starcom.co.ug
50284 by: Dave Sill
50292 by: Andy Bradford
users on Win NT
50277 by: Stano Pa�ka
50278 by: Petr Novotny
50300 by: Adam McKenna
Re: Mass mbox to Maildir conversion
50280 by: markd.bushwire.net
50282 by: Rick Harris
Re: Maildir not working
50283 by: Dave Sill
50290 by: Andy Bradford
Re: Log file
50285 by: Dave Sill
Re: How to set this configuration?
50286 by: Dave Sill
installing qmail
50287 by: Neil Grant
50288 by: Peter Samuel
svscan: unable to stat qmail: file does not exist
50289 by: Chris Cioffi
50296 by: Dave Sill
Re: qmail list reply-to
50293 by: Russell Nelson
50297 by: Adam McKenna
Quota Issues
50294 by: Scott Sanders
Re: Volunteers for a multilog patch?
50295 by: Peter Samuel
Re: qmail.org site down?
50298 by: Alexander Jernejcic
Redhat 7
50301 by: Mark Lo
50302 by: Justin Bell
50303 by: Graphic Rezidew
50305 by: Bryan White
50307 by: Alexander Jernejcic
Qmail Tshirts
50306 by: Vern Hart
50316 by: Peter van Dijk
50317 by: ChrisHellberg
50318 by: Vern Hart
50342 by: wolfgang zeikat
SMTP authentication
50308 by: Brian Pinkney
50309 by: Erwin Hoffmann
50311 by: Kris Kelley
50312 by: Kevin Bucknum
pop3 doesnt recognize user passwords
50310 by: Barley
Hrmm, question on relay restrictions
50313 by: James Stevens
50314 by: Ihnen, David
50315 by: James Stevens
50319 by: Adam McKenna
50320 by: Chris Johnson
automated processing of incoming mails?
50321 by: Michael Doerner
50322 by: Ihnen, David
Re: how do I create a catch-all mail rule for a domain?
50323 by: Barley
50340 by: Chris Johnson
Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server...
50324 by: James Stevens
50325 by: Goran Blazic
50326 by: Ricardo Cerqueira
50327 by: James Stevens
50328 by: Michael Boyiazis
50329 by: James Stevens
50330 by: Justin Bell
50331 by: James Stevens
50332 by: Austad, Jay
50333 by: Ihnen, David
50334 by: James Stevens
50335 by: James Stevens
50336 by: James Stevens
50337 by: Austad, Jay
50339 by: markd.bushwire.net
50346 by: Andy Bradford
50347 by: Austad, Jay
No $HOME when pop3 ?
50338 by: Pupeno
50341 by: Chris Johnson
Maildir & Mailbox
50343 by: Casey Allen Shobe
50345 by: Al Sparks
50352 by: Casey Allen Shobe
50355 by: Al Sparks
How do you unsub from this list?
50344 by: Casey Allen Shobe
50361 by: Martin Jespersen
Re: a "real" MUA for X? (was qmail list reply-to)
50348 by: Mike Glover
50349 by: Brett Randall
50358 by: Robin S. Socha
50359 by: Peter van Dijk
Q-Mail SMTP logging
50350 by: Charles Warwick
qmail with oracle
50351 by: zhjin.21ilink.com
how to configure and maintaing mailling lists..
50353 by: anandep
Problems with RELAYCLIENT
50354 by: Leonard Tulipan
Moving from NFS delivery to SMTP delivery...need advice!
50356 by: Brett Randall
50357 by: Leonard Tulipan
50360 by: Brett Randall
vpopmail with oracle
50362 by: zhjin.21ilink.com
How to initiate an ETRN tranfer
50363 by: Goran Blazic
I know I'm probably doing something stupid
50364 by: Christopher McLean
Qmail .qmail-?
50365 by: ROD
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On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 07:59:51AM +1100, Brett Randall wrote: > Just a little addition to this annoyingly drawn-out thread... > I haven't received any spam at all since I've joined this list...much > impressed considering my past experiences! I am virtually convinced > that the spam people are receiving is from other sources...I even > replied to this person's thread and am still yet to see any spam. > > Maybe a bit of a chuckle and a look at what other newsgroups/mailing > lists/directory services you are on is in order? Well, the spam came to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and that address is only on the list... -Johan -- Johan Almqvist
"jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >It's also posted in html on the web..... > >http://www.ornl.gov/its/archives/mailing-lists/qmail/2000/10/threads.html Yes, but e-mail addresses in the header are munged. If you include your e-mail address in your signature, you're on your own. You should probably consider making it less "harvestable", e.g.: dave(at)example.com or dave @ example.com or [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove "nospam." to reply) etc. -Dave
On Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 03:08:42PM -0700, Michael Boyiazis wrote: > if /var/qmail/alias/assign is being used as a forwarding > mechanism, that qmail-getpw is not used and that qmail-local > is the delivery agent. qmail-local is always the delivery agent. However, it has two mechanisms it uses to determine how to perform local delivery. It first tries to use the users/assign method. If that's not in use it invokes qmail-getpw to lookup passwd file entries. > My question: can i then put in the same hack to qmail-local.c > to exit w/ a 111 to defer mail when this control file is present > or is it too late? I would think that qmail-local.c is *the* place to put that. > Another question: will the assign mechanism be slow w/ > 500K+ entries, if need be? The assign mechanism uses a hashed database (in users/cdb) for speedy lookups. It's likely to be a lot quicker than 500K passwd file entries! I'm sure there are large users/assign users on the list who could give some idea of performance at that level -- I'm afraid I can't. james -- James Raftery (JBR54) IE Domain Registry - www.domainregistry.ie - (+353 1) 706 2375 "Managing 4000 customer domains with BIND has been a lot like herding cats." - Mike Batchelor, on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 03:08:42PM -0700, Michael Boyiazis wrote: > > if /var/qmail/alias/assign is being used as a forwarding > > mechanism, that qmail-getpw is not used and that qmail-local > > is the delivery agent. > > qmail-local is always the delivery agent. However, it has two > mechanisms > it uses to determine how to perform local delivery. It first tries to > use the users/assign method. If that's not in use it invokes > qmail-getpw > to lookup passwd file entries. actually it appears that qmail-lspawn is the one that decides which of the qmail-local or qmail-getpw to call. so i guess i could patch that and remove it from qmail-getpw or put it in qmail-local also. > > Another question: will the assign mechanism be slow w/ > > 500K+ entries, if need be? > > The assign mechanism uses a hashed database (in users/cdb) for speedy > lookups. It's likely to be a lot quicker than 500K passwd > file entries! > I'm sure there are large users/assign users on the list who could give > some idea of performance at that level -- I'm afraid I can't. i will give it a go. i just noticed the files work across platforms. (sun/linux/bsd). that'll save me a few seconds per day passing tcpserver cdb and assign/cdb files around. 8^) -- Michael Boyiazis Mail Architect, NetZero, Inc.
I'm new in this unix stuff, but i got a job that must be dunn I need a help here. I got two server (one is running sendmail(old server) and one is running qmail). I need to move all my user in old server to a new one (running qmail). Can anyone point me what i must do (step by step) Thanks in advance
Hi Folks ! I�ve installed qmail successfully. I tried to telnet localhost 25 an I send a mail to root, but this didn�t find my mail ;-( Whar do I have to do ? I want to have the mbox format in the ~directories. But my mail don�t appear in this file. Can you tell me why ? Thanke you very much for writing me back. Yours Romeo -- " R o m e o K i e n z l e r " Am Grosshausberg 2-9-3 >< 78120 Furtwangen Fon 0170/6015062 >< Fax 01805/05255377249 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >< "www.ormium.de"
Title: RE: Where are my Mails ? Please !What do the logs say? :)
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From: Romeo Kienzler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 October 2000 9:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Where are my Mails ? Please !
Hi Folks !
I�ve installed qmail successfully. I tried to telnet localhost 25 an I send a
mail to root, but this didn�t find my mail ;-(Whar do I have to do ? I want to have the mbox format in the ~directories.
But my mail don�t appear in this file. Can you tell me why ?Thanke you very much for writing me back.
Yours Romeo
--
" R o m e o K i e n z l e r "
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Fon 0170/6015062 >< Fax 01805/05255377249
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On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 01:21:16PM +0200, Romeo Kienzler wrote: > Hi Folks ! > I�ve installed qmail successfully. I tried to telnet localhost 25 an I send a > mail to root, but this didn�t find my mail ;-( Don't send mail to root. Use another user. (qmail will not deliver any mail to the user root as that would require root permissions, which would make the process prone to security issues...). Then, show us the log files of the transaction in question. We may or may not need the contents of users/assign and the output of qmail-showctl. > Whar do I have to do ? I want to have the mbox format in the ~directories. > But my mail don�t appear in this file. Can you tell me why ? -Johan -- Johan Almqvist
> Don't send mail to root. Use another user. (qmail will not deliver any > mail to the user root as that would require root permissions, which > would make the process prone to security issues...). Then, show us > the log files of the transaction in question. We may or may not need > the contents of users/assign and the output of qmail-showctl. Actually, qmail will accept mail bound for root, it just won't deliver it to root's home directory. Odds are it's in the mbox for the alias user. Check there. ---Kris Kelley
ROD wrote: > On sending a message to a test mailing list, Qmail excepts it and passes > it to the correct list. After this nothing happens? Ezmlm does not > forward the mail to the subsrcibes and the mail simply disappears. I've > tested posting from the ezmlm user and that works. Also there is nothing > in the qmail logs for after the mail has been delivery to the ezmlm user. You probably have moderation turned on but nobody on your list of moderators. you may check this by using 'ezmlm-list <listdir>/mod' -- Jamie Heilman http://audible.transient.net/~jamie/ "I was in love once -- a Sinclair ZX-81. People said, "No, Holly, she's not for you." She was cheap, she was stupid and she wouldn't load -- well, not for me, anyway." -Holly
From: Milen Petrinski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:52 AM
To: qmail mailing list
Subject: how to make qmail to send remote mail at particular timeHi everybody,I have Linux system with qmail and vpopmail installed, which connects to the Internet throu ppp. I read in "Life with qmail" that qmail processes every message individualy and I found that remote messages stay in the queue too long, even worse, it is possible a message not to be send at all.How can I make qmail to try to send remote mail when ppp ling comes up?In the mailing list archive I read something about sending the remote mail in maildir and using maildir2smtp when ling comes up, but how to make this to work with vpopmail?Thank you,Milen Petrinski
From: Milen Petrinski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:52 AM
To: qmail mailing list
Subject: how to make qmail to send remote mail at particular timeHi everybody,I have Linux system with qmail and vpopmail installed, which connects to the Internet throu ppp. I read in "Life with qmail" that qmail processes every message individualy and I found that remote messages stay in the queue too long, even worse, it is possible a message not to be send at all.How can I make qmail to try to send remote mail when ppp ling comes up?In the mailing list archive I read something about sending the remote mail in maildir and using maildir2smtp when ling comes up, but how to make this to work with vpopmail?Thank you,Milen Petrinski
Hi guys how are U, am having problems with my qmail, it has been running stable for the past 8 or so months.However, last week it started perfoming in wierd way. My users on the mail server are not recieving their mails infact the mail queue is growing and the deliveries are taking a long time, yet there is nothing I have changed. What do You think could be the problem and the solution. Thanx Eric. Systems Engineer Infocom Uganda Limited Tel:077409672
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Hi guys how are U, am having problems with my qmail, it has been running >stable for the past 8 or so months.However, last week it started perfoming >in wierd way. My users on the mail server are not recieving their mails >infact the mail queue is growing and the deliveries are taking a long time, >yet there is nothing I have changed. What Do The Logs Say? (tm) -Dave
On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:46:05 GMT, wrote: > Hi guys how are U, am having problems with my qmail, it has been running > stable for the past 8 or so months.However, last week it started perfoming > in wierd way. My users on the mail server are not recieving their mails > infact the mail queue is growing and the deliveries are taking a long time, > yet there is nothing I have changed. Without more information from you it is difficult to say what is happening. Do the email always get delivered after a certain amount of time? How many users are you talking about? Maybe you should consider raising your concurrencylocal. Finally, you might want to check that the trigger file is present and has the proper permissions. Have a look at: http://Web.InfoAve.Net/~dsill/lwq.html#trigger If this doesn't get you going then you will need to provide more information (like someone already said, "What do the logs say?") Andy
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 9 Oct 2000, at 7:32, Stano Paška wrote: > I want use only one password for Win NT and for qmail (vpopmail). I > need some software like checkpassword or vchkpw (in vpopmail), but it > must work with samba to check username and password on domain server > (Win NT)... Do you have some useful links? Yep. PAMify your checkpassword and use pam_smb or whatever the module for WinNT is called. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.2 -- QDPGP 2.61a Comment: http://community.wow.net/grt/qdpgp.html iQA/AwUBOeMN21MwP8g7qbw/EQIkfwCgxAs4IfDjRvWeBAv4Aw2rdpIVLPgAoKYb M7zv29GeC/t13sP0l6nlUGxP =uJDC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 10:36:29AM +0200, Stano Pa?ka wrote: > I want use only one password for Win NT and for qmail (vpopmail). > I need some software like checkpassword or vchkpw (in vpopmail), but it must work >with samba to check username and password on domain server (Win NT)... > Do you have some useful links? Here you go. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565923472/o/qid=971202185/sr=8-1/ref=aps_sr_b_1_3/102-2280386-2884102 --Adam -- Adam McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA | connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A | Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 2:22pm up 122 days, 11:38, 11 users, load average: 0.05, 0.04, 0.01
On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 09:59:53AM +0300, Mike Jackson wrote: > On Mon, 09 Oct 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > What did you think of mbox to Maildir conversion tools that can be found > > on www.qmail.org? > > > > I found them to be very basic and assuming that a given user would only The good thing about their being basic is thaty they pretty easy to change, for example, feed them a mailbox path and an IMAP Maildir path. > have one mbox file. I have users that have up to 100 separate mbox files that > are imap folders, not including their /var/spool/mail/username inbox file. I > tried one of the scripts on an inbox and it seemed to work ok. But no matter > what I did I couldn't seem to get it to accept a wildcard, ie convert all files > in one directory into a users maildir. The bad news is that you'll have to make these changes yourself to achieve what you want. > 1. Preserve existing imap folders and keep the same messages in them, the imap > folder structure will need to be for Courier 1.1. > > 2. Preserve the read and unread flags for all messages. > > 3. Create the courierimapsubscribed, courierimapuiddb, and maildir files in the > appropriate places with the correct values in them. > > Basically, the entire migration should be totally transparent to the end users > with zero downtime. I will just change the existing mail server record in the > DNS to point to the new server when I'm finished. I don't know whether you originally intended to use a separate system or not, but you can do the migration on a single system and re-arrange which processes live on which ports at your switchover time. Regards.
Just for my own 2 cents .. on your Inbox files in /var/spool/mail . couldn't you do something like .... #! /bin/bash ls /var/spool/mail | while real line ; do mbox2maildirprog $line done now I haven t tested this but I would think this or a variation thereof might work well .. Rick Harris UNIX Administrator Internet Global/Telares [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Carpe Noctem" -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 8:57 AM To: qmail-list Subject: Re: Mass mbox to Maildir conversion On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 09:59:53AM +0300, Mike Jackson wrote: > On Mon, 09 Oct 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > What did you think of mbox to Maildir conversion tools that can be found > > on www.qmail.org? > > > > I found them to be very basic and assuming that a given user would only The good thing about their being basic is thaty they pretty easy to change, for example, feed them a mailbox path and an IMAP Maildir path. > have one mbox file. I have users that have up to 100 separate mbox files that > are imap folders, not including their /var/spool/mail/username inbox file. I > tried one of the scripts on an inbox and it seemed to work ok. But no matter > what I did I couldn't seem to get it to accept a wildcard, ie convert all files > in one directory into a users maildir. The bad news is that you'll have to make these changes yourself to achieve what you want. > 1. Preserve existing imap folders and keep the same messages in them, the imap > folder structure will need to be for Courier 1.1. > > 2. Preserve the read and unread flags for all messages. > > 3. Create the courierimapsubscribed, courierimapuiddb, and maildir files in the > appropriate places with the correct values in them. > > Basically, the entire migration should be totally transparent to the end users > with zero downtime. I will just change the existing mail server record in the > DNS to point to the new server when I'm finished. I don't know whether you originally intended to use a separate system or not, but you can do the migration on a single system and re-arrange which processes live on which ports at your switchover time. Regards.
Pupeno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >and of course the mails stays on the queue without being delivered. >The directory /home/pupeno/Maildir exists: >drwxr-xr-x 2 pupeno pupeno 512 Oct 9 21:19 Maildir/ Is that a maildir or just an empty directory? There's a difference. See "man maildirmake". -Dave
On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:37:37 -0300, Pupeno wrote: > and of course the mails stays on the queue without being delivered. > The directory /home/pupeno/Maildir exists: > drwxr-xr-x 2 pupeno pupeno 512 Oct 9 21:19 Maildir/ How did you create the Maildir? Did you use maildirmake? If not, you probably should because it will create the rest of the directories as well as set the proper permissions in one fell swoop. My guess is that your permissions are wrong and that you don't have the subdirectories setup in the Maildir. Andy
"Mark van der Putten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >my qmail logfiles are filled with only this line over and over again. >---------- >971017556.174395 warning: trouble opening local/1/18700; will try again later >---------- > >Does anyone know what the problem is Yes, your queue is corrupt. Stop qmail, run "make check" and/or one of the queue checkers from www.qmail.org, fix the problem, restart qmail. -Dave
"Michail A.Baikov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >1. All UNDELIVERED mail for [EMAIL PROTECTED] route to [EMAIL PROTECTED] control/virtualdomains: domain1.ru:alias-domain1 ~alias/.qmail-domain1-default: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >2. User1 have e-mail box on domain2.ru ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), but not have >e-mail box in domain3.ru (both domain setup in one machine (and one qmail)). If domain2.ru and domain3.ru are both virtual domains, their namespaces are completely independent. >May be use virtual domain? How? Write example plz. http://Web.InfoAve.Net/~dsill/lwq.html#virtual-domains >3. How to set 2 and more domains with different lists of users? Use virtual domains. -Dave
I am trying to setup qmail but I get stuck: #make setup check ./compile sig_alarm.c In file included from /usr/include/signal.h:300, from sig_alarm.c:1: /usr/include/bits/sigcontext.h:28: asm/sigcontext.h: No such file or directory make: *** [sig_alarm.o] Error 1 thanks Neil
On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Neil Grant wrote: > > I am trying to setup qmail but I get stuck: > > #make setup check > ./compile sig_alarm.c > In file included from /usr/include/signal.h:300, > from sig_alarm.c:1: > /usr/include/bits/sigcontext.h:28: asm/sigcontext.h: No such file or > directory > make: *** [sig_alarm.o] Error 1 Looks like you don't have the kernel header files installed on your Linux system. On my RedHat 6.2 box rpm -qf /usr/src/linux-2.2.14/include/asm-i386/sigcontext.h kernel-headers-2.2.14-5.0 /usr/include/asm -> ../src/linux/include/asm /usr/src/linux -> linux-2.2.14 /usr/src/linux-2.2.14/include/asm -> asm-i386 Whenever you're reporting compile issues, please include the operating system and release details. Often it's not easy to pick which operating system you're having trouble with just from the missing filename alone. -- Regards Peter ---------- Peter Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.e-smith.org (development) http://www.e-smith.com (corporate) Phone: +1 613 368 4398 Fax: +1 613 564 7739 e-smith, inc. 1500-150 Metcalfe St, Ottawa, ON K2P 1P1 Canada "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left"
Hello all, After searching through the docs and the mail list archives I still can't find a reference to this problem so here it goes: I'm following the directions from http://www.redhat.com/mirrors/LDP/HOWTO/Qmail-VMailMgr-Courier-imap- HOWTO.html to setup Qmail with all the goodies I need for now. I got the source RPMs and installed those where possible. The qmail users and groups have been created. No paths were changed from the default. when I run '/etc/rc.d/init.d/svscan start' I get the following: svscan: warning: unable to stat qmail: file does not exist and it just keeps displaying on the terminal window where I tried to start the daemon. When I run '/etc/rc.d/init.d/svscan stop' I get the following: Stopping svscan: [ OK ] Stopping service pop3d: stopped. Stopping service pop3d/log: stopped. Stopping service qmail: svok: fatal: unable to chdir to qmail: file does not exist already stopped. Stopping service qmqpd: stopped. Stopping service qmqpd/log: stopped. Stopping service qmtpd: stopped. Stopping service qmtpd/log: stopped. Stopping service smtpd: stopped. Stopping service smtpd/log: stopped. Stopping service vmailmgrd: stopped. Stopping service vmailmgrd/log: stopped. I've looked in /var/run/messages and the only thing that gets logged there is: Oct 10 11:27:00 web svscan: svscan shutdown succeeded My question is twofold: 1. How do I go about creating the file/directory that svscan needs? 2. What package installed svscan so I can go in and fix the bug? (Namely that svscan seems to know it needs a file but doesn't fscking tell me what file it needs!) As always help is greatly appreciated. (I'm under the gun to get this working, our $1000+ commercial package is corrupting mail boxes and we're loosing mail and customer confidence.) Chris
Chris Cioffi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >when I run '/etc/rc.d/init.d/svscan start' I get the following: > >svscan: warning: unable to stat qmail: file does not exist The output of "sh -x /etc/rc.d/init.d/svscan start" would be helpful, but I'd guess that you've got a link in your services directory (which could be /services) called "qmail" that points to the wrong place. I have no idea what the right place is, or which of the packages or HOWTO's should have set this up. >1. How do I go about creating the file/directory that svscan needs? Good question. >2. What package installed svscan so I can go in and fix the bug? svscan is part of daemontools. >(Namely that svscan seems to know it needs a file but doesn't >fscking tell me what file it needs!) It needs "qmail" to point to a directory containing the appropriate "run" script, among other things. >As always help is greatly appreciated. (I'm under the gun to get >this working, our $1000+ commercial package is corrupting mail >boxes and we're loosing mail and customer confidence.) You're installing an MTA you know nothing about on a production system, and you expect that to raise customer confidence? Wasn't that a Dilbert strip? -Dave
Charles McLagan writes: > Let's consider the subject dead, since the replies I'm getting are > ones that generally fall into the 'religious' domain and not ones > that actually address the problem I'm trying to solve, You can't solve the problem as you posed it. That's why the answers you're getting are not "helpful". Accept that the problem you are trying to solve has no solution you find acceptable, and move on. -- -russ nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://russnelson.com | A hate crime makes Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | it illegal to think certain 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | thoughts. The crime is Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | itself already a crime.
On Sat, Oct 07, 2000 at 04:30:24PM -0400, Charles McLagan wrote: > Because, just like with this email, I hit "reply all" and > Microsoft Outlook puts your address and the list address > into the To: field. > > Netscape puts your address in To: and the list in Cc: - > same problem. > > And it's annoying to get duplicate messages.... > > Now, one can trash Microsoft, or Netscape, or whoever > makes the MUA, but the bottom line is, this is how they > work and this is how 99% of users would use them even > if there were a reply-to-recipient choice. > > So the question is: is there a sensible (or kludgey, hack, > yet sufficient) way to cope with it today? Not using microshaft brokenware. Use a real MUA, for example, Mutt, which you tell what mailing lists you subscribe to, and then use the List-Reply-To (L) when replying. It also generates Mail-Followup-To headers for the lists you're subscribed to (and even lists you're not subscribed to, if you tell Mutt about them.) --Adam -- Adam McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA | connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A | Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 1:53pm up 122 days, 11:08, 11 users, load average: 0.08, 0.05, 0.01
I use Qmail-ldap and users don’t have a directory of their own except for a /var/qmail/*username*, I was wondering what method I should use to do mailbox quota.
Scott Sanders
Last week there was much discussion (some of it even on topic :) about making multilog rotate files on receipt of a signal. Here's my very simple patch to make multilog rotate its current file on receipt of SIGHUP. I have tested it under RedHat Linux 6.2 ONLY. However, as I have used Dan's coding style (all 2 lines of it) it should work under any systems on which multilog currently works. My tests were fairly minimal - I hammered multilog as fast as I could and sent it a SIGHUP. I then checked to see if it lost any data between rotations - it didn't. It obviously needs field testing, but I think it will allow us to rotate based on time. All we need is a cron job to send the SIGHUP at the appropriate time. If you use this, please let me know how it goes. If I get positive feedback (or no feedback at all) I'll release it in the same manner as my tai64nunix package - ie a stripped down daemontools with only enough to build the new multilog. This should comply with Dan's licensing rules. -- Regards Peter ---------- Peter Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.e-smith.org (development) http://www.e-smith.com (corporate) Phone: +1 613 368 4398 Fax: +1 613 564 7739 e-smith, inc. 1500-150 Metcalfe St, Ottawa, ON K2P 1P1 Canada "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left"--- multilog.c.orig Mon Mar 6 00:21:09 2000 +++ multilog.c Tue Oct 10 12:29:42 2000 @@ -243,6 +243,11 @@ } } +void rotate(void) +{ + fullcurrent(c); +} + int c_write(int pos,char *buf,int len) { struct cyclog *d; @@ -561,6 +566,7 @@ coe(fdstartdir); sig_catch(sig_term,exitasap); + sig_catch(sig_hangup,rotate); ++argv; f_init(argv);
hi, now qmail.org seems to be online again - but you may use one of its mirrors. e.g.: http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/infosys/mail/qmail/www.qmail.org/top.html ;) a ============================================== Alexander Jernejcic email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] begin LOVE-LETTER-UND-NIX-DAZUGELERNT.txt.vbs I am a Signature, not a Virus! end ============================================== > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Hardie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 10:07 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: qmail.org site down? > > > > It's quite possible that I missed something, but: > > When I visit http://www.qmail.org, I am redirected to > > http://www.qmail.org/vbn/unreachable.vbn > > and get a message saying > > "Welcome to Elastic Networks. Sorry the file that you have requested is > not reachable from this side of the network..." > > Sometimes I can't get to the site at all. > > Am I delerious? Did someone pee in my DNS stream? Anyone else having > this problem? (Sorry for the relatively-insignificant-meta-nature of this > message.) > > Chris > > -- Chris Hardie ----------------------------- > ----- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ---------- > -------- http://www.summersault.com/chris/ -- > >
Hi, Should I run qmail under Redhat Linux 7 or Redhat Linux 6.2?? Thank you for your suggestion, Mark
On Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 02:20:22AM +0800, Mark Lo wrote: # Hi, # # Should I run qmail under Redhat Linux 7 or Redhat Linux 6.2?? # # Thank you for your suggestion, Debian -- Justin Bell
No. On Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 02:20:22AM +0800, Mark Lo wrote: > Hi, > > Should I run qmail under Redhat Linux 7 or Redhat Linux 6.2?? > > Thank you for your suggestion, > > Mark > >
> Should I run qmail under Redhat Linux 7 or Redhat Linux 6.2?? > > Thank you for your suggestion, I have one box that I recently moved from RH6.2 to 7.0. There were a few porting issues that I had to work through. Nothing directly related to qmail. Some of my scripts for monitoring the system failed, mostly because of changes to the 'ps' command options. I also had an odd problem with a suid program that was just a shell around qmail-qstat. It seems that be the time the qmail-qstat script got executed the effective UID had reverted to the real UID. I had to basically recode qmail-qstat in 'c' to instead. Minor annoyances. I can't say I have noticed any differences in performance. Its nice to have ssh and some other tools installed from the get go. The only things I had too install after the initial install was my own stuff and qmail.
hi, just works fine with both... ;) a ============================================== Alexander Jernejcic email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] begin LOVE-LETTER-UND-NIX-DAZUGELERNT.txt.vbs I am a Signature, not a Virus! end ============================================== > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Lo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 8:20 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Redhat 7 > > > Hi, > > Should I run qmail under Redhat Linux 7 or Redhat Linux 6.2?? > > Thank you for your suggestion, > > Mark > > >
For what it's worth, cafepress.com now offers four new products which I have made available with the qmail designs. They are: an ash gray tshirt, a sweat shirt, a long sleeve tshirt and a "Baby Doll" tshirt. http://vern.com/tshirts/qmail/ Cheers, Vern
On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 12:59:41PM -0600, Vern Hart wrote: > For what it's worth, cafepress.com now offers four new products > which I have made available with the qmail designs. They are: an > ash gray tshirt, a sweat shirt, a long sleeve tshirt and a "Baby > Doll" tshirt. > > http://vern.com/tshirts/qmail/ I'd go out and borrow somebody's creditcard right now if they were black instead of white, and a bit cheaper for European customers. Greetz, Peter -- dataloss networks '/ignore-ance is bliss' - me
Peter van Dijk wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 12:59:41PM -0600, Vern Hart wrote: > > For what it's worth, cafepress.com now offers four new products > > which I have made available with the qmail designs. They are: an > > ash gray tshirt, a sweat shirt, a long sleeve tshirt and a "Baby > > Doll" tshirt. > > > > http://vern.com/tshirts/qmail/ > > I'd go out and borrow somebody's creditcard right now if they were black > instead of white, and a bit cheaper for European customers. > European customers.. pfft.. us poor New Zealand customers have hit the lowest exchange rate with the U.S. dollar yet. Have pity. 40 US cents to the NZD. The mug will make a nice companion to my grepmaster mug.
Today, Peter van Dijk wrote: > > > > http://vern.com/tshirts/qmail/ > > I'd go out and borrow somebody's creditcard right now if they were black > instead of white, and a bit cheaper for European customers. Yeah, I'd prefer a dark color as well (though I've got more than enough black shirts). But to do black, you'd have to do silk screen and to do silk screen you'd have to commit to some number of orders and deal with distribution etc. With cafepress.com, all I do is supply the images, they do the rest. Makes it much easier for me. I suppose they'd have to have a European branch to bring down the costs to their European customers. If you know of anyone willing to start one up, I'm sure they'd at least talk to them... Again, I reiterate: If anyone wants to run a silk screen batch, you're welcome to snag my designs and modify them to have more appropriate colors for a black shirt. If you do, let me know, I'd be interested. Cheers, Vern
would you add ash gray long sleeve too? cheers wolfgang Also sprach Vern Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 10.10.2000: >For what it's worth, cafepress.com now offers four new products >which I have made available with the qmail designs. They are: an >ash gray tshirt, a sweat shirt, a long sleeve tshirt and a "Baby >Doll" tshirt. > > http://vern.com/tshirts/qmail/ > >Cheers, >Vern > >
I want to know the easiest and way to setup username/password authenication with my smtp server. Are there any suggestions? Preferably something compatible with outlook express' protocol. Thank you Brian Pinkney
Hi, At 15:18 10.10.2000 -0400, Brian Pinkney wrote: >I want to know the easiest and way to setup username/password authenication >with my smtp server. Are there any suggestions? Preferably something >compatible with outlook express' protocol. SMTP is a host-to-host protocol, not a user-to-user application. Outlook express is a Remote User Agent using POP3 or IMAP4. What you are looking for is probably "POP-before-SMTP". Look for that buzzword. cheers. eh. > >Thank you >Brian Pinkney > > +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | fff hh http://www.fehcom.de Dr. Erwin Hoffmann | | ff hh | | ff eee hhhh ccc ooo mm mm mm Wiener Weg 8 | | fff ee ee hh hh cc oo oo mmm mm mm 50858 Koeln | | ff ee eee hh hh cc oo oo mm mm mm | | ff eee hh hh cc oo oo mm mm mm Tel 0221 484 4923 | | ff eeee hh hh ccc ooo mm mm mm Fax 0221 484 4924 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
Brian Pinkney wrote: > > I want to know the easiest and way to setup username/password authenication > > with my smtp server. Are there any suggestions? Preferably something > > compatible with outlook express' protocol. Erwin Hoffman wrote: > SMTP is a host-to-host protocol, not a user-to-user application. > Outlook express is a Remote User Agent using POP3 or IMAP4. > What you are looking for is probably "POP-before-SMTP". > Look for that buzzword. That's not entirely accurate. First, POP and IMAP are protocols for retrieving email. Outlook Express, and indeed any mail user agent, still has to use SMTP for sending email. Second, SMTP can be made to require user authentication before this sending is possible, thanks to a protocol extention known as the AUTH command. There are a couple of patches to qmail that offer SMTP AUTH; check www.qmail.org and the list archives for details. ---Kris Kelley
Their are several listed on http://www.qmail.org I use http://members.elysium.pl/brush/qmail-smtpd-auth/ with no problems. > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Pinkney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 2:18 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: SMTP authentication > > > I want to know the easiest and way to setup username/password > authenication > with my smtp server. Are there any suggestions? Preferably something > compatible with outlook express' protocol. > > Thank you > Brian Pinkney > >
Hi, I am using Paul Gregg's checkpasswd and his mkpasswd.pl utility. Somehow, by some strange luck, I managed to get a user working the first time no problem, but any new ones I add don't work. It is driving me nuts. Questions: The mkpasswd.pl utility asks for a seed, and I just hit enter...is this correct? Why does mkpasswd.pl generate a different encrypted password for the same real-world password each time you run it? I tried copying the password from my working user entry to an entry with a different name etc, but my mail client got the bad password error. This baffles the hell out of me because it checks fine for one user but not others. I think I just don't understand how the encryption works. Can anyone help me out or guess as to why I am getting bad password errors? Thanks. Gregg
From: James Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 2:17 PM
To: Qmail
Subject: Hrmm, question on relay restrictionsI've been updating our relay rstriction security in tcpserv but while testing I noted that if I attempted to send a message to nobody%nobody.com (note the % instead of @) it actually acepts the message but bounces it back to me with a no local user error...How do I make it to where it doesn't allow that type of addressing???--JT
From: James Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 2:17 PM
To: Qmail
Subject: Hrmm, question on relay restrictionsI've been updating our relay rstriction security in tcpserv but while testing I noted that if I attempted to send a message to nobody%nobody.com (note the % instead of @) it actually acepts the message but bounces it back to me with a no local user error...How do I make it to where it doesn't allow that type of addressing???--JT
On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 02:36:38PM -0700, James Stevens wrote: > Nod, it is proper .. Well to my thinking it is maybe my logic is messed up today.. ><G> But RSS and RBL tests keep failiing it because it responds back to there test >with 250 Ok .. Meaning it excepted the message. When I test out sendmail and >Microsoft's SMTP services they all deny it and respond back with the No Relaying >Aloowed response which is what I would like Qmail to do... > > --JT Don't you mean "accepted"? This is how qmail works. The tests don't "fail" RBL or RSS tests. They reject the mail internally. This is normal, compliant behavior and will not get you added to any blackhole lists. Sending 383-character lines in your email messages, however, may get you added to some procmail rules. --Adam -- Adam McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | "No matter how much it changes, http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA | connected to a bunch of other wires." 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A | Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ 5:56pm up 122 days, 15:11, 11 users, load average: 0.04, 0.02, 0.02
On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 02:36:38PM -0700, James Stevens wrote: > Nod, it is proper .. Well to my thinking it is maybe my logic is messed up > today.. <G> But RSS and RBL tests keep failiing it because it responds back > to there test with 250 Ok .. Meaning it excepted the message. When I test out > sendmail and Microsoft's SMTP services they all deny it and respond back with > the No Relaying Aloowed response which is what I would like Qmail to do... You want qmail to reject a message if the recipient has a '%' in the address, and you want it to do this because sendmail, which has no relation to qmail, has in the past treated '%' specially and could be tricked into relaying mail addressed this way. The fact of the matter is that qmail isn't susceptible to being tricked this way, so there's no reason to treat '%' differently than any other character. We shouldn't reject mail with a '%' in the address any more than we should reject mail with a 't' in the address. By the way, qmail doesn't fail the RSS and RBL tests, because the mail is never relayed. That's the test. Chris
Hi, I am new to this list (and to qmail) so please forgive me if this has been asked before or if it's in the archives and I couldn't find it. We need to set up a mail server at a client site and I would like to use qmail (as part of a package called "e-smith") for that job. We need to be able to automate incoming emails (for one account) for EDI (order processing) which will be probably about the following procedure: - storing the attachment(s) (or mail body, don't know exactly yet) into a specific directory, - create log file entry about that email (when processed, sender's address, etc.), - trigger another program to process the contents of that directory (maybe I should do that with a cron job?) Can I do that just with qmail or what else will be needed (procmail)? Anybody doing something similar and willing to share some ideas/knowledge? Kind Regards, Michael Doerner
Qmail can kick off a mail processing program upon delivery to any address, easily. Creating a script to extract attachments and do other things with the content of a message would be the realm of the programmer assigned to create the functionality. The same program that writes the log and processes the MIME text into binary files could also kick off the program that modifies the contents of the other directory. Another option would be to have a daemon sort of service that stats the directory intermittently to check for new messages. As for a program to do the issues you propose, I know of nothing that does that premade, but it would not be difficult to do, with, say, perl, and some modules. I bet you could pay somebody like me to write such a program. ;) David > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Doerner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 4:23 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: automated processing of incoming mails? > > > Hi, > > I am new to this list (and to qmail) so please forgive me if > this has been > asked before or if it's in the archives and I couldn't find it. > > We need to set up a mail server at a client site and I would > like to use > qmail (as part of a package called "e-smith") for that job. > We need to be > able to automate incoming emails (for one account) for EDI (order > processing) which will be probably about the following procedure: > > - storing the attachment(s) (or mail body, don't know exactly > yet) into a > specific directory, > - create log file entry about that email (when processed, > sender's address, > etc.), > - trigger another program to process the contents of that > directory (maybe I > should do that with a cron job?) > > Can I do that just with qmail or what else will be needed (procmail)? > > Anybody doing something similar and willing to share some > ideas/knowledge? > > Kind Regards, > > Michael Doerner >
I have a bunch of users @domain.com that have pop3 boxes. If something is sent to someone at domain.com who has no pop box then I want to provide an address to which all mail to @domain.com is sent if there is no boxholder assigned to it. In other words, any @domain.com mail for which there is no pop box user should go to this "catch-all" address. Do I put a wildcard rule after my other pop box rules in user assign? Thanks. Also, what is the appropriate way to simply take all email from a given address and forward it to another. Right now I have the user set up as a popbox holder and I specify the forward address in .qmail. It works, but it seems sort of involved to require use of pop boxes to forward mail. Anyway, was just wondering if there's a "righter" way ;) Gregg >
On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 05:32:16PM -0700, Barley wrote: > > I have a bunch of users @domain.com that have pop3 boxes. If something is > sent to someone at domain.com who has no pop box then I want to provide an > address to which all mail to @domain.com is sent if there is no boxholder > assigned to it. In other words, any @domain.com mail for which there is no > pop box user should go to this "catch-all" address. Do I put a wildcard rule > after my other pop box rules in user assign? Thanks. It depends on whether the domain is local or virtual, but in either case you'll use some kind of .qmail-default file. If it's a local domain, you can just stick a .qmail-default file in ~alias, the contents of which is the catch-all address. > Also, what is the appropriate way to simply take all email from a given > address and forward it to another. Right now I have the user set up as a > popbox holder and I specify the forward address in .qmail. It works, but it > seems sort of involved to require use of pop boxes to forward mail. Anyway, > was just wondering if there's a "righter" way ;) Stick .qmail-whatever files in ~alias. (Again, this would be for a local domain, but the concept is the same for a virtual domain.) If you can't figure out how to set this up for a virtual domain, provide a sample entry from your virtualdomains file and someone will be able to help you. Chris
Can someone point me to a web page that has some explanation of setting up concurrent running qmails on the same machine and what edits I need to make to avoid conflicks.. Thanks in advance.. --JT
I dont really see no good point on why you would want to run multiple copies of qmail... Or what you would understand by that.... ??!!?? Goran -----Original Message----- From: James Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:19 AM To: Qmail Subject: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... Can someone point me to a web page that has some explanation of setting up concurrent running qmails on the same machine and what edits I need to make to avoid conflicks.. Thanks in advance.. --JT
On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 05:18:30PM -0700, James Stevens wrote: > Can someone point me to a web page that has some explanation of setting up > concurrent running qmails on the same machine and what edits I need to make > to avoid conflicks.. Just compile them using different dirs, and install them into those same different dirs. Also, be careful when launching qmail-smtpd. With tcpserver, the "IP" parameter can NOT be 0 (every interface, which is the most common setting). Each tcpserver must be bound to it's own network interface, (assuming you're always using the same port). RC -- +------------------- | Ricardo Cerqueira | PGP Key fingerprint - B7 05 13 CE 48 0A BF 1E 87 21 83 DB 28 DE 03 42 | Novis - Engenharia ISP / Rede T�cnica | P�. Duque Saldanha, 1, 7� E / 1050-094 Lisboa / Portugal | Tel: +351 2 1010 0000 - Fax: +351 2 1010 4459
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Well when a list of 200k+ is mailing and another list gets fired up behind it I would like the server which sits almost twiddling it's thumbs and has all kinds of resources left over to be able to send out to more than one list at a time without a queue delay.... Right now 'Majordomo' funnels all messages into qmail via qmail-send and anything that gets queued after that has to wait for the current queue to get done. To get around this I plan on setting up multiple qmails under the same server each having it's own queue ofcourse and then each client would have his or her own smtp server for sending to there lists on. Meaning that with multiple qmails running one client could send to her or his list and a secound client could send to her or his list and a third client could send to her or his list and I could send to my staff list and nowone would experience any delays and maybe just maybe my server might get above a 5% load avaerage for the first time in it's life. Anyways if anyone has actually done this please point me in the right direction.... I'd really appreciate it. ;) --JT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goran Blazic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'James Stevens'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Qmail" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:22 PM Subject: RE: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > I dont really see no good point on why you would want to run multiple copies > of qmail... > Or what you would understand by that.... ??!!?? > > Goran > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:19 AM > To: Qmail > Subject: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > > > Can someone point me to a web page that has some explanation of setting up > concurrent running qmails on the same machine and what edits I need to make > to avoid conflicks.. > > Thanks in advance.. > > --JT > > >
We have found inbound mail to be very disk i/o bound w/o doing much to the cpu. so we added another disk and have two instances running. it lets us handle twice the load. you need the box to handle 2 IPs; for the second instance recompile w/ the value in: /export/home/qmail-1.03/conf-qmail to hold the home of the second queue, say /var/qmail2 instead of the default /var/qmail the spot in your tcpserver line that says 0 smtp should be changed to be: mail_instance_1.domain.com smtp and repeat the tcpserver startup for another instance. make sure to both qmail instances are started in your init script. -- Michael Boyiazis Mail Architect, NetZero, Inc. > -----Original Message----- > From: Goran Blazic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:23 PM > To: 'James Stevens'; Qmail > Subject: RE: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > > > I dont really see no good point on why you would want to run > multiple copies > of qmail... > Or what you would understand by that.... ??!!?? > > Goran > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:19 AM > To: Qmail > Subject: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > > > Can someone point me to a web page that has some explanation > of setting up > concurrent running qmails on the same machine and what edits > I need to make > to avoid conflicks.. > > Thanks in advance.. > > --JT >
Thanks! I was hoping it was that simple... --JT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricardo Cerqueira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:29 PM Subject: Re: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server...
On Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 02:22:43AM +0200, Goran Blazic wrote: # I dont really see no good point on why you would want to run multiple copies # of qmail... # Or what you would understand by that.... ??!!?? # # Goran # comes in really handy when you have a list with > 200,000 recipients, and you still need to relay mail for local users. If you setup ezmlm to use one instance, and you relay for local users, and accept bounces etc using the other then you won't have 4 hour delays between sending a single mail to a single recip anywhere near as often -- Justin Bell
Thanks! .. ;) The machine I'm running qmail on has like a full c block assigned to it and a RAID5 array so I don't think the disk i/o will be a problem ?? But if needed I also have a RAID1 Array setup on it with twin 20gigs so I could place the secound qmail over there but I think the RAID5 should be fast enough for it.... Thoughts? --JT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Boyiazis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:38 PM Subject: RE: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > We have found inbound mail to be very disk i/o bound > w/o doing much to the cpu. so we added another disk > and have two instances running. it lets us handle twice > the load. > > you need the box to handle 2 IPs; > > for the second instance recompile w/ the value in: > /export/home/qmail-1.03/conf-qmail to hold the > home of the second queue, say /var/qmail2 instead > of the default /var/qmail > > the spot in your tcpserver line that says 0 smtp > should be changed to be: > > mail_instance_1.domain.com smtp > > and repeat the tcpserver startup for another instance. > > make sure to both qmail instances are started in your > init script. > > -- > Michael Boyiazis > Mail Architect, NetZero, Inc. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Goran Blazic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:23 PM > > To: 'James Stevens'; Qmail > > Subject: RE: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > > > > > > I dont really see no good point on why you would want to run > > multiple copies > > of qmail... > > Or what you would understand by that.... ??!!?? > > > > Goran > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: James Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:19 AM > > To: Qmail > > Subject: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > > > > > > Can someone point me to a web page that has some explanation > > of setting up > > concurrent running qmails on the same machine and what edits > > I need to make > > to avoid conflicks.. > > > > Thanks in advance.. > > > > --JT > > > > >
You're better off with RAID 0+1. I run RAID 5 on mine and when it runs through the queue, disk IO is the bottleneck. -----Original Message----- From: James Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:45 PM To: Michael Boyiazis; Qmail Subject: Re: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... Thanks! .. ;) The machine I'm running qmail on has like a full c block assigned to it and a RAID5 array so I don't think the disk i/o will be a problem ?? But if needed I also have a RAID1 Array setup on it with twin 20gigs so I could place the secound qmail over there but I think the RAID5 should be fast enough for it.... Thoughts? --JT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Boyiazis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:38 PM Subject: RE: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > We have found inbound mail to be very disk i/o bound > w/o doing much to the cpu. so we added another disk > and have two instances running. it lets us handle twice > the load. > > you need the box to handle 2 IPs; > > for the second instance recompile w/ the value in: > /export/home/qmail-1.03/conf-qmail to hold the > home of the second queue, say /var/qmail2 instead > of the default /var/qmail > > the spot in your tcpserver line that says 0 smtp > should be changed to be: > > mail_instance_1.domain.com smtp > > and repeat the tcpserver startup for another instance. > > make sure to both qmail instances are started in your > init script. > > -- > Michael Boyiazis > Mail Architect, NetZero, Inc. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Goran Blazic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:23 PM > > To: 'James Stevens'; Qmail > > Subject: RE: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > > > > > > I dont really see no good point on why you would want to run > > multiple copies > > of qmail... > > Or what you would understand by that.... ??!!?? > > > > Goran > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: James Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:19 AM > > To: Qmail > > Subject: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > > > > > > Can someone point me to a web page that has some explanation > > of setting up > > concurrent running qmails on the same machine and what edits > > I need to make > > to avoid conflicks.. > > > > Thanks in advance.. > > > > --JT > > > > >
Even on a raid 5 array, I'm sure that the processor will be waiting for the disk I/O. There is alot of it, after all. Is it a problem? Naw... Will it process messages faster with separate disks, and even separate disk controllers? I'm bettin it will. But when it comes down to it, are you more limited by bandwidth or disk i/o? Fix one bottleneck, you'll make another. David > -----Original Message----- > From: James Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:45 PM > To: Michael Boyiazis; Qmail > Subject: Re: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > > > Thanks! .. ;) > > The machine I'm running qmail on has like a full c block > assigned to it and > a RAID5 array so I don't think the disk i/o will be a problem > ?? But if > needed I also have a RAID1 Array setup on it with twin 20gigs > so I could > place the secound qmail over there but I think the RAID5 > should be fast > enough for it.... Thoughts? > > --JT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Boyiazis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:38 PM > Subject: RE: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > > > > We have found inbound mail to be very disk i/o bound > > w/o doing much to the cpu. so we added another disk > > and have two instances running. it lets us handle twice > > the load. > > > > you need the box to handle 2 IPs; > > > > for the second instance recompile w/ the value in: > > /export/home/qmail-1.03/conf-qmail to hold the > > home of the second queue, say /var/qmail2 instead > > of the default /var/qmail > > > > the spot in your tcpserver line that says 0 smtp > > should be changed to be: > > > > mail_instance_1.domain.com smtp > > > > and repeat the tcpserver startup for another instance. > > > > make sure to both qmail instances are started in your > > init script. > > > > -- > > Michael Boyiazis > > Mail Architect, NetZero, Inc. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Goran Blazic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:23 PM > > > To: 'James Stevens'; Qmail > > > Subject: RE: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same > server... > > > > > > > > > I dont really see no good point on why you would want to run > > > multiple copies > > > of qmail... > > > Or what you would understand by that.... ??!!?? > > > > > > Goran > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: James Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:19 AM > > > To: Qmail > > > Subject: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > > > > > > > > > Can someone point me to a web page that has some explanation > > > of setting up > > > concurrent running qmails on the same machine and what edits > > > I need to make > > > to avoid conflicks.. > > > > > > Thanks in advance.. > > > > > > --JT > > > > > > > > > >
Hrmm.... Been running qmail for about 5 months now and really haven't noticed a bottle neck. I know with SendMail (shudder) there were bottle necks everywhere... But since I installed qmail really haven't ecperienced any... --JT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'James Stevens'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Michael Boyiazis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Qmail" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:50 PM Subject: RE: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > You're better off with RAID 0+1. I run RAID 5 on mine and when it runs > through the queue, disk IO is the bottleneck. > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:45 PM > To: Michael Boyiazis; Qmail > Subject: Re: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > > > Thanks! .. ;) > > The machine I'm running qmail on has like a full c block assigned to it and > a RAID5 array so I don't think the disk i/o will be a problem ?? But if > needed I also have a RAID1 Array setup on it with twin 20gigs so I could > place the secound qmail over there but I think the RAID5 should be fast > enough for it.... Thoughts? > > --JT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Boyiazis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:38 PM > Subject: RE: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > > > > We have found inbound mail to be very disk i/o bound > > w/o doing much to the cpu. so we added another disk > > and have two instances running. it lets us handle twice > > the load. > > > > you need the box to handle 2 IPs; > > > > for the second instance recompile w/ the value in: > > /export/home/qmail-1.03/conf-qmail to hold the > > home of the second queue, say /var/qmail2 instead > > of the default /var/qmail > > > > the spot in your tcpserver line that says 0 smtp > > should be changed to be: > > > > mail_instance_1.domain.com smtp > > > > and repeat the tcpserver startup for another instance. > > > > make sure to both qmail instances are started in your > > init script. > > > > -- > > Michael Boyiazis > > Mail Architect, NetZero, Inc. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Goran Blazic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:23 PM > > > To: 'James Stevens'; Qmail > > > Subject: RE: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > > > > > > > > > I dont really see no good point on why you would want to run > > > multiple copies > > > of qmail... > > > Or what you would understand by that.... ??!!?? > > > > > > Goran > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: James Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:19 AM > > > To: Qmail > > > Subject: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > > > > > > > > > Can someone point me to a web page that has some explanation > > > of setting up > > > concurrent running qmails on the same machine and what edits > > > I need to make > > > to avoid conflicks.. > > > > > > Thanks in advance.. > > > > > > --JT > > > > > > > > > >
Laugh, ok wheres that Fiber Trunk and gigabit card I ordered? --JT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ihnen, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'James Stevens'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Michael Boyiazis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Qmail" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:48 PM Subject: RE: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > Even on a raid 5 array, I'm sure that the processor will be waiting for the > disk I/O. There is alot of it, after all. > > Is it a problem? Naw... > > Will it process messages faster with separate disks, and even separate disk > controllers? > > I'm bettin it will. > > But when it comes down to it, are you more limited by bandwidth or disk i/o? > Fix one bottleneck, you'll make another. > > David > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: James Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:45 PM > > To: Michael Boyiazis; Qmail > > Subject: Re: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > > > > > > Thanks! .. ;) > > > > The machine I'm running qmail on has like a full c block > > assigned to it and > > a RAID5 array so I don't think the disk i/o will be a problem > > ?? But if > > needed I also have a RAID1 Array setup on it with twin 20gigs > > so I could > > place the secound qmail over there but I think the RAID5 > > should be fast > > enough for it.... Thoughts? > > > > --JT > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Boyiazis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:38 PM > > Subject: RE: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > > > > > > > We have found inbound mail to be very disk i/o bound > > > w/o doing much to the cpu. so we added another disk > > > and have two instances running. it lets us handle twice > > > the load. > > > > > > you need the box to handle 2 IPs; > > > > > > for the second instance recompile w/ the value in: > > > /export/home/qmail-1.03/conf-qmail to hold the > > > home of the second queue, say /var/qmail2 instead > > > of the default /var/qmail > > > > > > the spot in your tcpserver line that says 0 smtp > > > should be changed to be: > > > > > > mail_instance_1.domain.com smtp > > > > > > and repeat the tcpserver startup for another instance. > > > > > > make sure to both qmail instances are started in your > > > init script. > > > > > > -- > > > Michael Boyiazis > > > Mail Architect, NetZero, Inc. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Goran Blazic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:23 PM > > > > To: 'James Stevens'; Qmail > > > > Subject: RE: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same > > server... > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont really see no good point on why you would want to run > > > > multiple copies > > > > of qmail... > > > > Or what you would understand by that.... ??!!?? > > > > > > > > Goran > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: James Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:19 AM > > > > To: Qmail > > > > Subject: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone point me to a web page that has some explanation > > > > of setting up > > > > concurrent running qmails on the same machine and what edits > > > > I need to make > > > > to avoid conflicks.. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance.. > > > > > > > > --JT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
ROFL, ok.. I feel small now ... ... ... ... --JT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'James Stevens'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:56 PM Subject: RE: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > Here's what I did: > > I have a main server running qmail and ezmlm. I set up ezmlm to use qmqp to > send it's messages. I modified qmail-qmqmc.c to randomly pick a QMQP server > instead of just choosing the first one. Each list is broken up into 52 > sublists. Right now, I only have 3 QMQP servers. When a message goes out, > it randomly distributes 52 separate messages between 3 QMQP servers, which > ends up being pretty even. All of the sending is offloaded to other > machines, and split up, so the messages go out super fast. 1,000,000 > addresses in under 15 minutes. :) I saturate one of our DS3's everytime it > runs. My modifications can support up to 255 QMQP servers. > > The bounces are starting to load down the main box though, I'm going to have > to lower the ezmlm-warn timeout to about 4 days, it's still at 11.6. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:38 PM > To: Goran Blazic; Qmail > Subject: Re: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > > > Well when a list of 200k+ is mailing and another list gets fired up behind > it I would like the server which sits almost twiddling it's thumbs and has > all kinds of resources left over to be able to send out to more than one > list at a time without a queue delay.... Right now 'Majordomo' funnels all > messages into qmail via qmail-send and anything that gets queued after that > has to wait for the current queue to get done. To get around this I plan on > setting up multiple qmails under the same server each having it's own queue > ofcourse and then each client would have his or her own smtp server for > sending to there lists on. Meaning that with multiple qmails running one > client could send to her or his list and a secound client could send to her > or his list and a third client could send to her or his list and I could > send to my staff list and nowone would experience any delays and maybe just > maybe my server might get above a 5% load avaerage for the first time in > it's life. > > Anyways if anyone has actually done this please point me in the right > direction.... I'd really appreciate it. ;) > > --JT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Goran Blazic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'James Stevens'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Qmail" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:22 PM > Subject: RE: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > > > > I dont really see no good point on why you would want to run multiple > copies > > of qmail... > > Or what you would understand by that.... ??!!?? > > > > Goran > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: James Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:19 AM > > To: Qmail > > Subject: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > > > > > > Can someone point me to a web page that has some explanation of setting up > > concurrent running qmails on the same machine and what edits I need to > make > > to avoid conflicks.. > > > > Thanks in advance.. > > > > --JT > > > > > > >
I'm going to have to put some QMQP servers in our other data centers to get more speed out of it. We've got 90Mbit/sec worth of bandwidth at each one of those, but it'll burst higher. I noticed that when the messages are broken up into 20,000 rcpt chunks, they go out way faster than a bunch of 150,000 rcpt chunks. At our current growth rate, we expect over 5,000,000 users per list during the first part of 2001. I just have to figure out how to increase the disk IO performance or reduce the need for it on the list server box. Jay -----Original Message----- From: James Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 8:03 PM To: Austad, Jay; Qmail Subject: Re: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... ROFL, ok.. I feel small now ... ... ... ... --JT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'James Stevens'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:56 PM Subject: RE: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > Here's what I did: > > I have a main server running qmail and ezmlm. I set up ezmlm to use qmqp to > send it's messages. I modified qmail-qmqmc.c to randomly pick a QMQP server > instead of just choosing the first one. Each list is broken up into 52 > sublists. Right now, I only have 3 QMQP servers. When a message goes out, > it randomly distributes 52 separate messages between 3 QMQP servers, which > ends up being pretty even. All of the sending is offloaded to other > machines, and split up, so the messages go out super fast. 1,000,000 > addresses in under 15 minutes. :) I saturate one of our DS3's everytime it > runs. My modifications can support up to 255 QMQP servers. > > The bounces are starting to load down the main box though, I'm going to have > to lower the ezmlm-warn timeout to about 4 days, it's still at 11.6. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:38 PM > To: Goran Blazic; Qmail > Subject: Re: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > > > Well when a list of 200k+ is mailing and another list gets fired up behind > it I would like the server which sits almost twiddling it's thumbs and has > all kinds of resources left over to be able to send out to more than one > list at a time without a queue delay.... Right now 'Majordomo' funnels all > messages into qmail via qmail-send and anything that gets queued after that > has to wait for the current queue to get done. To get around this I plan on > setting up multiple qmails under the same server each having it's own queue > ofcourse and then each client would have his or her own smtp server for > sending to there lists on. Meaning that with multiple qmails running one > client could send to her or his list and a secound client could send to her > or his list and a third client could send to her or his list and I could > send to my staff list and nowone would experience any delays and maybe just > maybe my server might get above a 5% load avaerage for the first time in > it's life. > > Anyways if anyone has actually done this please point me in the right > direction.... I'd really appreciate it. ;) > > --JT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Goran Blazic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'James Stevens'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Qmail" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:22 PM > Subject: RE: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > > > > I dont really see no good point on why you would want to run multiple > copies > > of qmail... > > Or what you would understand by that.... ??!!?? > > > > Goran > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: James Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:19 AM > > To: Qmail > > Subject: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... > > > > > > Can someone point me to a web page that has some explanation of setting up > > concurrent running qmails on the same machine and what edits I need to > make > > to avoid conflicks.. > > > > Thanks in advance.. > > > > --JT > > > > > > >
On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 08:08:03PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > I'm going to have to put some QMQP servers in our other data centers to get > more speed out of it. We've got 90Mbit/sec worth of bandwidth at each one > of those, but it'll burst higher. > > I noticed that when the messages are broken up into 20,000 rcpt chunks, they > go out way faster than a bunch of 150,000 rcpt chunks. At our current > growth rate, we expect over 5,000,000 users per list during the first part > of 2001. I just have to figure out how to increase the disk IO performance > or reduce the need for it on the list server box. How big are your queues? (in disk space terms)? Can you afford to lose a queue occasionally? Can you afford a ram disk? Just as an exercise you might want to run a queue as a memory file system for a little while, just to see the sort of benefit you could gain. Regards.
Thus said "James Stevens" on Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:38:01 PDT: > list at a time without a queue delay.... Right now 'Majordomo' funnels all > messages into qmail via qmail-send and anything that gets queued after that > has to wait for the current queue to get done. To get around this I plan on > setting up multiple qmails under the same server each having it's own queue You might consider installing ezmlm or ezmlm-idx over majordomo---it is integrated pretty tightly with qmail and would probably increase the performance as well. majordomo is almost as much as beast compared to ezmlm as sendmail is compared to qmail. :-) Andy -- [-----------[system uptime]--------------------------------------------] 10:29pm up 4 days, 1:56, 3 users, load average: 1.41, 1.31, 1.27
The queues aren't bad now, we're pretty good about prompty removing any addresses that are bad, and total garbage emails don't even get subscribed to the list. Doesn't really matter if we lose a queue. I did play with memory filesystems a couple of months ago, and I got worse performance on that than I did on the 30GB IDE drive on the machine! I think I may have figured out a way to distribute the queue across multiple servers. I just have to figure out if ezmlm would still be able to handle bounces OK. Jay -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 8:43 PM To: Qmail Subject: Re: Running Multiple Copies of Qmail on the same server... On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 08:08:03PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > I'm going to have to put some QMQP servers in our other data centers to get > more speed out of it. We've got 90Mbit/sec worth of bandwidth at each one > of those, but it'll burst higher. > > I noticed that when the messages are broken up into 20,000 rcpt chunks, they > go out way faster than a bunch of 150,000 rcpt chunks. At our current > growth rate, we expect over 5,000,000 users per list during the first part > of 2001. I just have to figure out how to increase the disk IO performance > or reduce the need for it on the list server box. How big are your queues? (in disk space terms)? Can you afford to lose a queue occasionally? Can you afford a ram disk? Just as an exercise you might want to run a queue as a memory file system for a little while, just to see the sort of benefit you could gain. Regards.
When I try to get my mails via pop3 using qmail-pop3d as follows (on inetd.conf): pop3 stream tcp nowait root /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup tec-sis.com.ar /usr/local/bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir I get the following error: -ERR this user has no $HOME/Maildir Connection closed by foreign host. I have a valid Maildir directory where my mails are delivery too, I think that this problem is caused because $HOME is not set when trying to get $HOME/Maildir or something like that. Where can I find logs about this ? Where can I read about this problem, how to solve it ? Thank you very much! -- Pupeno: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.pupeno.com PGP fingerprint: 02B5 EDAE EC30 7A9A 0327 9D05 89FB 8D14 B4D8 64C3 Get my key from: http://www.pgp.net/pgpnet/wwwkeys.html
On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 10:41:54PM -0300, Pupeno wrote: > When I try to get my mails via pop3 using qmail-pop3d as follows (on > inetd.conf): > pop3 stream tcp nowait root > /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup tec-sis.com.ar /usr/local/bin/checkpassword > /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir I assume this is all on one line. > I get the following error: > -ERR this user has no $HOME/Maildir > Connection closed by foreign host. Try it this way instead (all on one line): pop3 stream tcp nowait root /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup qmail-popup tec-sis.com.ar /usr/local/bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir Better yet, use tcpserver instead of inetd. Its use is well documented on various qmail how-to sites, and it's better supported on this list. Chris
Here's the skinny: I want maildir. I want it for my IMAP & Webmail(IMAP frontend) server and for general purposes. I need mailbox for my mail client since there's not maildir support. I'm wondering if anybody has done any of the following: A: Created a nifty program so that when I try to access a mailbox file, it's actually interfaced so that I'm accessing my maildir B: Written a converter that I can run on the fly. C: Figured out some other solution to this problem. Also, anybody wanna explain IMAP to me? I'm confused as hell. I want to have both an IMAP and POP3 server for the same email address. Now let's say I use an IMAP client to move a mail from one folder to another (pray tell, what are these "folders" and where are they? I dunno how to set them up initially). Now when I use POP3, does it theoretically fetch just the stuff in the "inbox" folder or all of it? What pop3 server plays nice with courier-IMAP? Anything that uses maildir? Is it possible to set my mail client to access localhost:110 for pop3 and have it move the maildir stuff into it's own native mailbox files that way? The last time I tried that my mail went straight into the void when I tried to check it. Anybody know of any maildir-supporting console email programs? Thanks, Casey
I notice that your next message is requesting instructions on how to un-subscribe to the list. Kind of weird to ask detailed questions like this and then disappear. Makes me wonder what motivated you to ask the questions. However, just in case you're serious.... > Here's the skinny: > > I want maildir. I want it for my IMAP & Webmail(IMAP frontend) server and > for general purposes. > > I need mailbox for my mail client since there's not maildir support. > > I'm wondering if anybody has done any of the following: > A: Created a nifty program so that when I try to access a mailbox > file, it's actually interfaced so that I'm accessing my maildir > B: Written a converter that I can run on the fly. > C: Figured out some other solution to this problem. I don't know of any solution of that kind. What you might consider doing, if you have a user base that you can't take off of that mbox only client is to create a separate server with sendmail on it, and forward the mail there for those selected users that want it. > > Also, anybody wanna explain IMAP to me? I'm confused as hell. I want to > have both an IMAP and POP3 server for the same email address. Now let's say > I use an IMAP client to move a mail from one folder to another (pray tell, > what are these "folders" and where are they? I dunno how to set them up > initially). Now when I use POP3, does it theoretically fetch just the stuff > in the "inbox" folder or all of it? What pop3 server plays nice with > courier-IMAP? Anything that uses maildir? While running IMAP and pop3 on the same server is ok, it happens all the time, I wouldn't recommend a user using both types of clients for the same address interchangeably. The fundemental difference between IMAP and POP3 is with IMAP you store your mail on the server, and with POP3 you download your mail to the local machine. With IMAP, your folders are created, and mail moved between the folders with each message remaining on that server. With POP3 you are downloading email from the server to the local machine's hard drive. The email client uses it's own system and protocols to create and administer folders. A POP3 and IMAP server will play nice with each other in the sense that they will mostly ignore each other. Since Courier IMAP also uses some sort of index file for each folder including the INBOX folder, and POP3 won't update that index file when you download email from it, there may be problems when a particular user tries to use one and then the other protocol to read their mail. You mentioned courier, and courier stores its folders in the $HOME/Maildir directory. Each folder has its own sub-directory. I don't know how much more detail to go into. Surely you know what a folder is? If you haven't seen any evidence of a folder that you created using an IMAP client, try using the "-a" switch when using the "ls" command. All Courier folders start with a ".". > > Is it possible to set my mail client to access localhost:110 for pop3 and > have it move the maildir stuff into it's own native mailbox files that way? > > The last time I tried that my mail went straight into the void when I tried > to check it. > Well, that's actually an imaginative idea. You might want look at configuring the client so that it's definition or location of INBOX doesn't interfere with any other program you have running on the system. I don't know what else to say on that. I'm not going to try it. > Anybody know of any maildir-supporting console email programs? Mutt is the most popular. I've never used it. > > Thanks, Casey You bet. === Al __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
On Wednesday 11 October 2000 02:13, Al Sparks wrote: > > A: Created a nifty program so that when I try to access a mailbox > > file, it's actually interfaced so that I'm accessing my maildir > > B: Written a converter that I can run on the fly. > > C: Figured out some other solution to this problem. > > I don't know of any solution of that kind. What you might consider > doing, if you have a user base that you can't take off of that mbox > only client is to create a separate server with sendmail on it, and > forward the mail there for those selected users that want it. Well, I can just use qmail to selectively store some user's email in mbox format I think if it comes to that... > > Also, anybody wanna explain IMAP to me? I'm confused as hell. I want to > > have both an IMAP and POP3 server for the same email address. Now let's > > say I use an IMAP client to move a mail from one folder to another (pray > > tell, what are these "folders" and where are they? I dunno how to set > > them up initially). Now when I use POP3, does it theoretically fetch > > just the stuff in the "inbox" folder or all of it? What pop3 server > > plays nice with courier-IMAP? Anything that uses maildir? > > While running IMAP and pop3 on the same server is ok, it happens all > the time, I wouldn't recommend a user using both types of clients for > the same address interchangeably. The fundemental difference between > IMAP and POP3 is with IMAP you store your mail on the server, and with > POP3 you download your mail to the local machine. With IMAP, your > folders are created, and mail moved between the folders with each > message remaining on that server. With POP3 you are downloading email > from the server to the local machine's hard drive. The email client > uses it's own system and protocols to create and administer folders. Right. > A POP3 and IMAP server will play nice with each other in the sense > that they will mostly ignore each other. Since Courier IMAP also uses > some sort of index file for each folder including the INBOX folder, > and POP3 won't update that index file when you download email from it, > there may be problems when a particular user tries to use one and then > the other protocol to read their mail. But does POP3 download all mail from the IMAP inbox or all mail in all IMAP folders? > You mentioned courier, and courier stores its folders in the > $HOME/Maildir directory. Each folder has its own sub-directory. I > don't know how much more detail to go into. Surely you know what a > folder is? If you haven't seen any evidence of a folder that you > created using an IMAP client, try using the "-a" switch when using the > "ls" command. All Courier folders start with a ".". Ahh, I'll look when I setup imap again...Can one have nested folders with IMAP? > > Is it possible to set my mail client to access localhost:110 for pop3 and > > have it move the maildir stuff into it's own native mailbox files that > > way? > > > > The last time I tried that my mail went straight into the void when I > > tried to check it. > > Well, that's actually an imaginative idea. You might want look at > configuring the client so that it's definition or location of INBOX > doesn't interfere with any other program you have running on the > system. I don't know what else to say on that. I'm not going to try > it. My mail client stores it's mail in it's own selectable directory, default ~/Mail, and subdirectories thereof - each directory contains an mbox optionally and that's the way it stores it's data files...the problem I got was that I tried to use fetchmail to fetch mail from my own server, only fetchmail fed it into the SMTP (qmail), which didn't know what to do at that point as you might imagine, and I believe it was endlessly looping all email, including any incoming email... > > Anybody know of any maildir-supporting console email programs? > > Mutt is the most popular. I've never used it. Ahh, I'll use that - I have it installed, haven't used it though - I just want something for telnet users. - Casey
--- Casey Allen Shobe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 11 October 2000 02:13, Al Sparks wrote: > > A POP3 and IMAP server will play nice with each other in the sense > > that they will mostly ignore each other. Since Courier IMAP also uses > > some sort of index file for each folder including the INBOX folder, > > and POP3 won't update that index file when you download email from it, > > there may be problems when a particular user tries to use one and then > > the other protocol to read their mail. > > But does POP3 download all mail from the IMAP inbox or all mail in all IMAP > folders? Just the INBOX. POP3 never sees anything else. You have 2 download choices when configuring a POP3 client. During download, the messages are deleted from the INBOX, or conversely, are left in the INBOX. > > > You mentioned courier, and courier stores its folders in the > > $HOME/Maildir directory. Each folder has its own sub-directory. I > > don't know how much more detail to go into. Surely you know what a > > folder is? If you haven't seen any evidence of a folder that you > > created using an IMAP client, try using the "-a" switch when using the > > "ls" command. All Courier folders start with a ".". > > Ahh, I'll look when I setup imap again...Can one have nested folders with > IMAP? > Yes. Though inside the $HOME/Maildir directory, the subdirectories are flat. Say you have folderB nested inside FolderA. The FolderB will show up in $HOME/Maildir as the sub-directory ".FolderA.FolderB", and the messages will be placed in that sub-directory. In other words, Courier will not create a nested sub-directory structure to match the nested folders. Again, this is referring to Courier IMAP. Other IMAPS may deal with this differently. > > > Is it possible to set my mail client to access localhost:110 for pop3 and > > > have it move the maildir stuff into it's own native mailbox files that > > > way? > > > > > > The last time I tried that my mail went straight into the void when I > > > tried to check it. > > > > Well, that's actually an imaginative idea. You might want look at > > configuring the client so that it's definition or location of INBOX > > doesn't interfere with any other program you have running on the > > system. I don't know what else to say on that. I'm not going to try > > it. > > My mail client stores it's mail in it's own selectable directory, default > ~/Mail, and subdirectories thereof - each directory contains an mbox > optionally and that's the way it stores it's data files...the problem I got > was that I tried to use fetchmail to fetch mail from my own server, only > fetchmail fed it into the SMTP (qmail), which didn't know what to do at that > point as you might imagine, and I believe it was endlessly looping all email, > including any incoming email... > > > > Anybody know of any maildir-supporting console email programs? > > > > Mutt is the most popular. I've never used it. > > Ahh, I'll use that - I have it installed, haven't used it though - I just > want something for telnet users. > > - Casey That seems like the simplest solution. I'm not familiar with fetchmail, but if it has IMAP built in as opposed to POP3, then configuring its IMAP to point at the local host is cleaner than trying to use POP3. Apparently some people configure pine that way, since it doesn't do to well with directly reading the Maildir format. One limitation of pine is that it apparently doesn't display nested folders too well. Apparently pine will display nested folders with the same "dot" format that I mentioned above. I say "apparently", because I haven't tried it. I've used pine for years, but the only IMAP server I've configured it for was the UW IMAP, which doesn't support nested folders. Anyway, some users get religious about what client they want to use, and I thought you might be dealing with users like that. Of course there are no religious people in this group.... Sendmail is just as good as qmail. Right? === Al __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
I've been trying for days now to remove a second (and no longer used much) account from this list and am having no luck. Advice appreciated. - Casey
send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] /Martin Casey Allen Shobe wrote: > > I've been trying for days now to remove a second (and no longer used much) > account from this list and am having no luck. Advice appreciated. > > - Casey
Okay, so does anybody know of a "real" MUA that is X-enhanced? Sorry, but "pretty" is more of a concern to me than "works properly in strange situations". I would prefer "not outright broken" and "not vaporware", though. -mike On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Adam McKenna wrote: > Not using microshaft brokenware. Use a real MUA, for example, Mutt, > which > you tell what mailing lists you subscribe to, and then use the > List-Reply-To > (L) when replying. It also generates Mail-Followup-To headers for the > lists > you're subscribed to (and even lists you're not subscribed to, if you > tell > Mutt about them.) > > --Adam > > -- > Adam McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | "No matter how much it changes, > http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of > wires > GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA | connected to a bunch of other > wires." > 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A | Joe Rogan, _NewsRadio_ > 1:53pm up 122 days, 11:08, 11 users, load average: 0.08, 0.05, 0.01 > -- GnuPG key available at http://devel.duluoz.net/pubkey.asc Key ID = 1024D/9A256AE5 1999-11-13 Mike Glover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Key fingerprint = EF6E 8BCB 4810 E98C F0FD 4596 367A 32B7 9A25 6AE5
Mike Glover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Okay, so does anybody know of a "real" MUA that is X-enhanced? > Sorry, but "pretty" is more of a concern to me than "works > properly in strange situations". I would prefer "not outright > broken" and "not vaporware", though. > > -mike > Under X? Try Gnus. It doesn't just work properly in strange situations, it works properly in normal situations as well! And it is the MOST real MUA you will ever find. It can be pretty...run it under XEmacs. However, if you are going to be making this a 'standard' program for new users, then I recommend Gnus. If it is going to be for management, you want them to have a real nice interface, and you're going to have to give them a short tutorial. So you will want to use...guess it...Gnus! I would never have been so blunt about an MUA a week ago, but seriously, I underestimated the power of Gnus. I am using it now, and the normal day-to-day stuff is real simple once you've figured it out. Do the world a favour, and start your staff/yourself using Gnus. You won't regret it. /BR -- "Miss Lisa Cannifax, while sitting in English class, felt her feet go numbly heavy and herself fall into a hazy trance as the boy sitting behind her drew repeated lines with his pencil across the back of her plastic chair." - Lars
* Mike Glover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001011 01:06]: > On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Adam McKenna wrote: > > Not using microshaft brokenware. Use a real MUA, for example, Mutt, > > which you tell what mailing lists you subscribe to, and then use the > > List-Reply-To (L) when replying. It also generates Mail-Followup-To > > headers for the lists you're subscribed to (and even lists you're > > not subscribed to, if you tell Mutt about them.) > Okay, so does anybody know of a "real" MUA that is X-enhanced? Define "X-enhanced". Gnus, for example, will display smilies as such <http://linux01.gwdg.de/~steufel/steffi-xemacs-2.html> or display images inline <http://socha.net/Gnus/#screenshots>. It will let you klick on stuff, but it will also grok maildir (natively and as a mailsource: <http://multivac.cwru.edu/prj/nnmaildir.el>. On top of that, it will try to deal with broken line widths, remove spurious blank lines, colour quotation levels, fix threads and play looney tunes. If you so wish. > Sorry, but "pretty" is more of a concern to me than "works > properly in strange situations". Eterm -t mutt with some nude chick as semi-transparent pixmap running under E with with Blue Steel will certainly qualify as "pretty". But - other than /any/ other MUA I know, both Gnus and mutt will work properly in "strange situations". Using XEmacs or vim as editors, they will also let you deal quickly and easily (in particular, <http://www.cs.indiana.edu/elisp/supercite/supercite_21.html> is very handy). That way, even mails like yours (text on top, full quote with broken line width below) become readable within seconds. > I would prefer "not outright broken" and "not vaporware", though. We're the boys from the Unix hell, brother. Avoid anything KDE or GNOME and you're safe - we don't ship broken vaporware. Check with our intellectually challenged /distant/ cousins in Redmond if you want any of that. Go here: <http://socha.net/Gnus/#why-use> if you want to learn more about Gnus. Go here <http://www.gnus.org/> to get it. Enjoy.
On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 10:04:14PM -0700, Mike Glover wrote: > Okay, so does anybody know of a "real" MUA that is X-enhanced? > Sorry, but "pretty" is more of a concern to me than "works > properly in strange situations". I would prefer "not outright > broken" and "not vaporware", though. http://www.tarball.net/postoffice/ Doesn't do Maildir I think, but does handle POP and NNTP (and IMAP?). I don't use it myself but some of my coworkers (one of which is the author) do. If there's enough interest I might pester the guy until he support local Maildir :) Greetz, Peter -- dataloss networks '/ignore-ance is bliss' - me
Title: Q-Mail SMTP loggingI know that the topic of SMTP logging has been flogged to death before, and I don't want to start another discussion on it. However, is there anyone out there that HAS written a patch to qmail-smtpd to log any errors, (actually, any response other than normal) to STDERR?
I know about recordio, so please, no discussions/comments about using recordio.
If you have a patch, or know where I could obtain one, could you please e-mail me directly.
Thanks in advance,
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Charles Warwick
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gcc -I. -I/usr/local/oracle/u01/app/oracle/product/8.1.6/precomp/public -g -O2 -Wall -c vpopmail.c
gcc -I. -I/usr/local/oracle/u01/app/oracle/product/8.1.6/precomp/public -g -O2 -Wall -c md5.c
gcc -I. -I/usr/local/oracle/u01/app/oracle/product/8.1.6/precomp/public -g -O2 -Wall -c bigdir.c
gcc -I. -I/usr/local/oracle/u01/app/oracle/product/8.1.6/precomp/public -g -O2 -Wall -c vauth.c
vauth.c:286: warning: `/*' within comment
vauth.c:290: warning: `/*' within comment
vauth.c:110: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `sqlcxt'
vauth.c:112: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `sqlcx2t'
vauth.c:113: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `sqlbuft'
vauth.c:114: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `sqlgs2t'
vauth.c:115: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `sqlorat'
vauth.c:1658: conflicting types for `vclose'
vauth.h:32: previous declaration of `vclose'
vauth.c: In function `vclose':
vauth.c:1679: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
vauth.c: At top level:
vauth.c:106: warning: `sqlstm' defined but not used
vauth.c:118: warning: `IAPSUCC' defined but not used
vauth.c:119: warning: `IAPFAIL' defined but not used
vauth.c:120: warning: `IAPFTL' defined but not used
make[2]: *** [vauth.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/opt/vpopmail-4.8.5'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/vpopmail-4.8.5'
make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2please help me how to do !thank you!
Hi there, I am an NT Admin but also working with linux. I have successfully installed qmail for the local intranet, but after installing ezmlm, what exactly we have to do to maintain the mailing list Thanks in advance.. have several nice days... Anand NT Administrator DIPL ( +91 040 3551889 ) Hyderabad,AP,India _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Our setup: EXCHANGE SERVER <=> Firewall (qmail) <=> Internet we want the exchange server to relay mails to qmail, and the firewall to only accept mails for our domains, except for the exchange server. As is my understanding I need to set RELAYCLIENT with the help of tcp-env. /var/qmail/control then needs to be setup with all valid domains. Unfortunately I cannot seem to set RELAYCLIENT correctly. So here is my setup linux 2.2.16 qmail 1.03 + QMAILQUEUE patch (which also doesn't seem to work, but never mind now) Starting of qmail in /etc/rc.d/init.d with qmail-start '|preline procmail' splogger qmail & my /etc/hosts.allow: tcp-env: 192.168.0.xxx,XXX.bsbanksysteme.com: RELAYCLIENT=""; export RELAYCLIENT I attached "; echo "`date`-$RELAYCLIENT-" >> /tmp/tcp.test" to test and as I see from that file it seems to work. When I now add a rcpthosts file I get EMail sent thru the exchange server returned: 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) So it doesn't look as if the RELAYCLIENT realy does work. Any ideas how I can test this or verify if any of the variables does get set. a very desperate Leonard Tulipan
HI one and all... I am currently delivering mail to our remote servers via NFS, and we are having problems with NFS delivery. Now, while NFS v3 may fix this (when it finally arrives), at the moment I can't use NFS delivery for our mail. So, I need to reroute all mail that would normally be delivered 'locally' to a Maildir (which is some of our users, not all), to be delivered via SMTP to our other servers. I figured a .qmail in the user's home dir which used | forward "$LOCAL"@kermit.hillsong.com (kermit being the remote server, and .qmail physically residing remotely even though it appears local due to the wonders of NFS!) would do it, then I remembered that this .qmail file resides remotely, and so when the mail arrives at the remote server, it will be passed through | forward again, and again...looping. So, what is the best advice I can get here? I need users to be able to go outside our network and use POP to retrieve mail (they talk to our main server, which picks up their mail from the appropriate NFS share), which they can do at the moment, so killing the NFS share and replacing it with a skeleton home dir structure isn't an option... I don't REALLY want to have one set of home dirs containing just .qmail files, and another set for POP3 access if I can help it...this is just doubling up, being very inefficient and annoying to fix. ANY ideas (absolutely any, no matter how crap they seem!) will be greatly appreciated! Thanks /BR Manager InterPlanetary Solutions http://ipsware.com/
Here is one of thos crappy ideas you requested. How about setting up a /var/qmail/control/smtproutes file to route emails to some domains (don't know if this works for users too) to another server. I think you have to remove them from /var/qmail/control/local though !? Something like maildomain.com:kermit.hillsong.com should do the trick in smtproutes !? Probably doesn't work though, cause I am NO qmail genius. Ciao Leo > -----Original Message----- > ANY ideas (absolutely any, no matter how crap they seem!) will be greatly > appreciated! > >
Leonard Tulipan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How about setting up a /var/qmail/control/smtproutes file to route emails to > some domains (don't know if this works for users too) to another server. I > think you have to remove them from /var/qmail/control/local though !? Thanks for the idea...unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on what way you look at it), all our users are in the same domain. Each user is stored in a 'location', ie /nfs/city/brett means that the brett user home dir is stored in /nfs/city, which is actually a share on the city machine. /nfs/london/bob means bob in london, same way, etc... While I can't dump NFS altogether (I need all users to use the one POP3 server for centralisation and simplicity), I certainly want to stop certain [EMAIL PROTECTED] having their e-mail delivered via NFS and via SMTP instead (ie forwarding or similar). Unless anyone has a QMTP solution? /BR -- "Miss Lisa Cannifax, while sitting in English class, felt her feet go numbly heavy and herself fall into a hazy trance as the boy sitting behind her drew repeated lines with his pencil across the back of her plastic chair." - Lars
I have a mail server that stands quite allright by it self, but occasionally drop its link... :) For this there is a secondary mail server at the ISP, which was running just fine until now... A few days ago I noticed, that the mail was not being delivered from the secondary mail server, so I called their mail admin... He said that no ETRN request was comming in... Ok... neither did one in the past... ever.... :) But ok... I'll try this also... How do I convince qmail to link up to another mail server without sending anything, just doing ETRN and receiveing mail from it? Pretty please?? Thanks, Goran
Hi, I've been trying to set up qmail with qmail-popup and Maildirs. I think I have set up the correct .qmail and Maildir folders for each user and the /var/qmail/rc file specifies Maildirs. Everytime I try to use Popmail however I receive the message "usage: popup hostname subprogram". My inetd.conf file reads: #pop-2 stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd ipop2d pop-3 stream tcp nowait root /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup \ mail.theregistry.com.au /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir I'm starting to run out of reasons as to why it's not working. I assume I've just done something very stupid. Any ideas? Thanks, Chris ------------------------------------------------------- Gibson & Gibson - Confidentiality of Communication This e-mail and any files attached hereto are confidential and intended for the sole use of the person or entity to whom they are addressed. There may be information contained herein that is covered by solicitor-client privilege. In the event that you are not the addressee of this e-mail or authorised to receive it by the addressee then you have received it in error and any use, copying, duplication, printing or forwarding is not authorised and strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please advise us by return e-mail. Please destroy the original transmission.
