qmail Digest 16 Oct 2000 10:00:01 -0000 Issue 1155
Topics (messages 50623 through 50658):
Re: Bogus MAIL FROM (SPAM)
50623 by: Alexander Jernejcic
50624 by: Jurjen Oskam
50628 by: Chris Johnson
50639 by: Adam McKenna
50640 by: MaD dUCK
50642 by: Aaron Newcomb
50643 by: Brett Randall
50644 by: Brett Randall
50653 by: Sean Reifschneider
(OT) Vmailmgr and Vpopmail
50625 by: Joomy
50626 by: Olivier M.
X-Fetchmail-Warning
50627 by: Horacio
INFO qmailmrtg v2.0
50629 by: Sean C Truman
Re: courier-imapd & netscape messanger for windows == complete fuckup... any ideas?
50630 by: Georg Lutz
50634 by: Martin Jespersen
50638 by: Georg Lutz
Virtual domains question
50631 by: Willis L. Sarka
50633 by: Ronny Haryanto
tcpserver daemon tools and xinetd
50632 by: John Chronakis
Problems with rbldns?
50635 by: Hubbard, David
50636 by: Chris Johnson
50637 by: Hubbard, David
Re: [Linux/x86] dietlibc linked tcpserver
50641 by: Russell Nelson
MCSE Worth It? OR Not. (WAS RE: Bogus MAIL FROM (SPAM))
50645 by: Aaron Newcomb
50647 by: MaD dUCK
Re: tcpserver
50646 by: Cliff Cole
Re: [vmailmgr] Some question
50648 by: Bruce Guenter
Distributed E-mail Document v0.1.1 available
50649 by: Brett Randall
50650 by: Brett Randall
pop/imap connection error from MS window98.
50651 by: Sam Wun
Re: that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts
50652 by: Leonard Tulipan
Re: MTA and \r\n problems
50654 by: Leonard Tulipan
2 QUESTIONS
50655 by: Linux
50656 by: Brett Randall
50658 by: Olivier M.
Re: Microsoft -> Linux announcement
50657 by: Brett Randall
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hi,
> What about ISP's? I am not one so why should I care?
but you are likely to receive a mail from a mailserver belonging to the ISP's domain
with a customers sender-domain.
;) a
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:37:32 -0400, "Aaron Newcomb"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>By the same source I mean that the HELO or EHLO line I see in my log has the
>same host name. Also, I use tcpserver to run qmail-smtpd, but if running it
HELO or EHLO are easily faked, and IMHO it wouldn't be safe to do any
(permanent) filtering on that.
Basically, the program/person sending the mail can decide what to put
in the HELO-line. The receiving mailer can then check from which IP
adress that particular connection is from, and can act on that
information (log something, deny service, etc.).
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On Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 03:01:19AM -0600, Andy Bradford wrote:
> Thus said "Aaron Newcomb" on Sun, 15 Oct 2000 01:26:30 EDT:
>
> > Yes. That makes sense. I knew there had to be a way. Thanks for the help.
> > The most offending address is 210.133.28.162.
>
> Additionally, you might want to report them to www.mail-abuse.org as an Open
> Relay.
210.133.28.162 is already listed in ORBS and RSS. I can see in my logs that
I've rejected a few things from that host myself in the recent past.
Chris
On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 08:33:54PM -0400, Aaron Newcomb wrote:
> So, are you saying there is no way to block certain hosts in qmail? I find
> that hard to believe. Qmail has been a pretty good package so far, and I
> can't believe that would be so limited in this area. Also, what do you mean
> I will not be able to "receive mail from a large percentage
> of the domains on the internet."
You stated that you want to block mail from hosts that have a different
domain in the SMTP MAIL FROM: and the HELO. You obviously don't understand
the implications of what you are asking. Do you think that every mail domain
on the internet is hosted on a separate machine?
> I have not had any problems up to this
> point. Lastly, I am not sure what comment you are trying to make about my
> MCSE certification, but I am proud of the training I have had on all the
> operating systems I work with whether they be MS, UX, Linux or otherwise.
I'm proud of you too.
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> > Aaron Newcomb, MCSE <-- gee, that wasn't obvious.
> point. Lastly, I am not sure what comment you are trying to make about my
> MCSE certification, but I am proud of the training I have had on all the
> operating systems I work with whether they be MS, UX, Linux or otherwise.
sos di you find the MCSE useful? i am one too and i thought that the tests
were not only ridiculously simple, but also just plain bollocks. microsoft
products are way to non-adherent to standards and way to nice-user-gui
stuffed to make their tests useful outside of a "domain". just my two cents.
martin
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(greetings from the heart of the sun)
You obviously don't understand what I am asking, but instead of restating
the many posts and replies on this subject I will leave it up to you to do
that on your own time. As for my particular situation I have learned that
there is no magic wand as far as SPAM is concerned. However, I have found a
few good ways to minimize the amount that I receive on my server. If anyone
is interested I would be happy to share a recap offline.
Thanks to those that helped!
Aaron
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 6:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Bogus MAIL FROM (SPAM)
On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 08:33:54PM -0400, Aaron Newcomb wrote:
> So, are you saying there is no way to block certain hosts in qmail? I find
> that hard to believe. Qmail has been a pretty good package so far, and I
> can't believe that would be so limited in this area. Also, what do you
mean
> I will not be able to "receive mail from a large percentage
> of the domains on the internet."
You stated that you want to block mail from hosts that have a different
domain in the SMTP MAIL FROM: and the HELO. You obviously don't understand
the implications of what you are asking. Do you think that every mail
domain
on the internet is hosted on a separate machine?
> I have not had any problems up to this
> point. Lastly, I am not sure what comment you are trying to make about my
> MCSE certification, but I am proud of the training I have had on all the
> operating systems I work with whether they be MS, UX, Linux or otherwise.
I'm proud of you too.
--Adam
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6:29pm up 127 days, 15:45, 8 users, load average: 0.19, 0.08, 0.02
"Aaron Newcomb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> there is no magic wand as far as SPAM is concerned. However, I have found a
> few good ways to minimize the amount that I receive on my server. If anyone
> is interested I would be happy to share a recap offline.
Ummm...yes please! :) I have actually just started receiving spam. It
is addressed to my e-mail address (in the To: header), so it isn't a
normal, cheap one that simply connects to many many servers, it
actually appears to parse each message. Crazy ppl...however anyway
some help would be great! Thanks.
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> "Aaron Newcomb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Bugger...I sent this to the list. Apologies.
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On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 02:19:52PM +1100, Brett Randall wrote:
>is addressed to my e-mail address (in the To: header), so it isn't a
>normal, cheap one that simply connects to many many servers, it
Here's what I've done to combat unsolicited commercial e-mail:
I don't give out my real address. Pretty much ny time I give out an
address (submit it on a form, give it to a company I'm dealing with,
put it on a web-page or mail list), I use a one-time address. Like,
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]". If I'm signing up at the foobar.com web site,
I'll use "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". You get the idea. Particularly
useful on Usenet where I use "jafo-200010" (year-month) so I can
gradually expire them as the UCE picks up.
I bitch and moan and boycott companies that I do business with who
sell or otherwise provide my address to others (remember, I can tell
because of the above).
I used the badrcptto patch so that in addition to rejecting on the envelope
from address, I can do the same with the to. I used to use a bounce, but
the UCE almost always had invalid return addresses so I just started
refusing e-mail for it.
I set up a filter for my inbox which sorts out things based on recpieint,
does a MAPS lookup as it's being put in my mail folder, and other fairly
complex rules, and sorts them out. See ftp.tummy.com:/pub/tummy/pyspam
for the code as it is after a week of poking.
All this has reduced the UCE going in to my main box to about 2 messages per
day. This is on an address I've had for a decade, mind you, and I have in
the past gotten 10 or more UCE messages per day.
I did an evaluation of a SMTP filter program last weekend, and while it
was thorough, I didn't like it. Cost around $5k per machine, and just
was fairly inflexable. I mean, if you're charging those rates, you're
selling to large customers (ISPs, businesses, etc). The problem is that
this was an all or nothing, it had no ability to tune it on a user-by-user
basis. I can just hear the users calling in "I'm waiting for an imporant
e-mail, but it's getting bounced. FIX IT!"
Sean
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Sean Reifschneider, Inimitably Superfluous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hi all,
sorry about this OT, but I can't find any good information about
vmailmgr/vpopmail.
If anyone have a nice url , please tell me. (not vmailmgr/vpopmail website)
I have some (stupid) question about vmailmgr and vpopmail
1. Can I use more then 8 chars password with both system ? like md5 in
shadow password ? or I have to user ldap authentication ?
2. Can I use .qmail (for forwarding purpose) in each user dir ? not the
.qmail-USER in domain dir.
3. Which file/dir will be count when I use quota support in each user dir ?
and the last one, about file system.
What is the differrent if
1. I store 50,000 user mail directory in the same directory. (can I do this
? are there any limitation about file sytem ?)
2. I store 50,000 user mail directory by using the vpopmail (create sub-dir
when dir reach 100 dirs or something like that)
THX. (sorry about my english :-)
Joomy.
On Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 06:50:59PM +0700, Joomy wrote:
> Hi all,
> sorry about this OT, but I can't find any good information about
> vmailmgr/vpopmail.
> If anyone have a nice url , please tell me. (not vmailmgr/vpopmail website)
>
> I have some (stupid) question about vmailmgr and vpopmail
Some answers just about vmailmgr.
> 1. Can I use more then 8 chars password with both system ? like md5 in
> shadow password ? or I have to user ldap authentication ?
AFAIK, vmailmgr supports MD5 passwords, so probably passwords which
are longer than 8 chars.
> 2. Can I use .qmail (for forwarding purpose) in each user dir ? not the
> .qmail-USER in domain dir.
The .qmail, no, but you cann add forwarders to vmailmgr accounts with
the vchforwarders command.
> 3. Which file/dir will be count when I use quota support in each user dir ?
Don't really understand this question... There are per-system user quota,
per mail-user quota, etc...
> and the last one, about file system.
> What is the differrent if
> 1. I store 50,000 user mail directory in the same directory. (can I do this
> ? are there any limitation about file sytem ?)
should be ok.
> 2. I store 50,000 user mail directory by using the vpopmail (create sub-dir
> when dir reach 100 dirs or something like that)
well, that's the vpopmail or vmailmgr which will do that : you don't
have to create the directory by yourself...
Good luck :)
Olivier
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PGP signature
All mail I retrieve from the pop server come with the following header
line:
X-Fetchmail-Warning: recipiente address [EMAIL PROTECTED] didn't match
any local name
Also, I've been playing with the control files and every mail I send to
one of my addresses ends up in the spool mail/alias file with the
following warnings:
From #@[] Sat Oct 14 22:58:53 2000
Return-Path: <#@[]>
Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: (qmail 29125 invoked for bounce); 14 Oct 2000 22:58:53 -0000
Date: 14 Oct 2000 22:58:53 -0000
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: failure notice
Hi. This is the qmail-send program at tanit.wanadoo.es.
I tried to deliver a bounce message to this address, but the bounce bounced!
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1)
--- Below this line is the original bounce.
Return-Path: <>
Received: (qmail 32422 invoked for bounce); 14 Oct 2000 22:58:52 -0000
Date: 14 Oct 2000 22:58:52 -0000
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: failure notice
Hi. This is the qmail-send program at tanit.wanadoo.es.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1)
--- Below this line is a copy of the message.
[blah... ]
... including the cron messages to root.
Thank You.
Hey all,
http://www.prodigysolutions.com/qmailmrtg.2.0.tar.gz is the latest
release. Has a bunch of Code cleanup in it. Sorry about taking so long to
clean this up.. Been really busy around here..
If you have any problems please email me..
Cheers.
Sean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Austad, Jay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Peter Green'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Andy Abshagen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Qmail Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:28 AM
Subject: RE: statistics
> Hrm, I grabbed qmail analog, I piped one of my logfiles through tai64nfrac
> and into zoverall, and I get 0 for completed requests and total delivery
> attempts. If I put it through any other program that came with qmail
> analog, I get no output. Any idea why this would happen?
>
> tai64nfrac works just fine too.
>
> Jay
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:15 AM
> To: Andy Abshagen
> Cc: Qmail Mailing List
> Subject: Re: statistics
>
>
> also sprach andy:
> > Where are the MRTG pieces for qmail?
>
> What Does The Archive Say(TM)? (See <http://www-archive.ornl.gov:8000/>.
> Search on qmail-mrtg.)
>
> (Hint: http://www.prodigysolutions.com/qmail-mrtg.1.0.tar.gz :)
>
> /pg
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> ---
> /*
> * [...] Note that 120 sec is defined in the protocol as the maximum
> * possible RTT. I guess we'll have to use something other than TCP
> * to talk to the University of Mars.
> * PAWS allows us longer timeouts and large windows, so once implemented
> * ftp to mars will work nicely.
> */
> (from /usr/src/linux/net/inet/tcp.c, concerning RTT [round trip time])
Hi Martin,
what do you mean by "root-level-folders" ?
With a MUA you can only create folders in your INBOX. If you want to
create public-shared-folders you have to use maildirmake (which is part
of courier-imap), perhaps with a combination of
/usr/lib/courierimap/etc/maildirshared.
How folders in your private namespace are displayed, depends on the MUA
you are using. In Netscape this are all subfolders of "INBOX".
But for further information you should look at man maildirmake or at the
courier-mailing-list.
I am quite happy with courier-imap and I would not recommend any other
imapd with maildir-patches.
Bye
Georg
Martin Jespersen schrieb:
>
> Hi all,
>
> My MUA is netscape messanger 4.73 for windows and i am not about to change this so
>spare me any
> rants about getting another MUA.
>
> I am currently using wu-imapd v4.7 with maildir patch, but i am not quite satisfied
>with (the
> maildir driver has a few missing features that are really anoying).
>
> So i am trying to get courier imapd 1.1 up and running, and it runs just fine, but...
>
> It refused to create root-level subfolders and i can only create subfolders under
>the INBOX.
>
> i have tried to reconfigure/reinstall 10 times now with and without the
>--enable-workaround..
>
> i have even tried to modify the source code to use PRIVA as the personal namespace
>instead of INBOX
> (yeah i changed it everywhere and make check worked fine)
>
> but it is a no-go...
>
> maybe it would work if i completely rewrote the namespace structure of courier-imapd
>and changed the
> subfolder delimiter from "." to "/" like mh use since mh seems to work fine except
>being super-slow
> and outdated in alot of ways
>
> is there anyone who is succesfully running courier with support for netscape out
>there?
>
> going through the sourcecode it seems that courier actually insists that root-level
>folders should
> reside under ./Maildir/ eg. the trashfolder is file-system wise created as
>./Maildir/Trash/
>
> can anyone answer me this: why? isn't this just begging for MUA problems?
>
> *ARGH the pain!*
>
> if anyone knows of ANY imap server that supports Maildir format and Netscape
>messanger at the same
> time PLEASE tell me, because i am running out of ideas besides coding my own imap
>server and i
> really don't feel like doing that unless i absolutely have to (i hate coding C -go
>figure :)
>
> if only perl was faster then i would make one today, but alas perl is no good for
>production-level
> daemons.
>
> Regards
>
> Martin Jespersen
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Hi Georg,
Definition
root-level folders = folders on the same level as the INBOX in the filesystem
directory structure.
Example:
INBOX == ~mylogin/Maildir/
Trash == ~mylogin/Trash/
Sent == ~mylogin/Sent/
etc...
I have made a Maildir folder under ~mylogin as ~mylogin/Maildir/ using maildirmake and
there is no
problem delivering to it or reading from it.
The problem is this: Courier-imapd refuse to create root-level folders and insists
that all folders
should be created as subfolder of the INBOX folder.
Example:
INBOX == ~mylogin/Maildir/
Trash == ~mylogin/Maildir/Trash/
Sent == ~mylogin/Maildir/Sent/
Furthermore, since courier-imapd uses '.' as separator instead of the standard '/'
that other
Maildir-like message structures like Mh use all folders are created with a . infront.
Example:
INBOX == ~mylogin/Maildir/
Trash == ~mylogin/Maildir/.Trash/
Sent == ~mylogin/Maildir/.Sent/
The problem basically seems to be that the guy who wrote courier-imapd is so hooked on
the rfc's
that he made a imap server that breakes all clients :( (or at least netscape messanger
and microsoft
outlook, which are used by the larger part of internet users as MUA)
At first i thought that this was due to the silly choice of personal Namespace that he
made, ie.
INBOX which is a more or less reserved word in most MUA's.
But although i patched the source to use PRIVA instead it still fucked up.
So i guess it might be the '.' seperator that is the problem, though i am in know way
knowledgable
enough about the imap specs to base this on anything else than gut-feeling as a
professional
programmer of many years.
But before i take on the task of making a complete working patch for courier imapd
which supports
standard MUA's i would like to be sure that no-one has done this before me, since i am
hard pressed
on time as it is, and actually need a good working imap server that supports Maildir
now ;)
I thought about contacting the guy who wrote it, but i must admit that after reading
the FAQ and
BUGS section on the download site i doubt very much that he in anyway cares about my
problems since
he seems to think that all MUA's that doesn't speak imap his way should be fixed
*shrug*.
That is an attitude that is hard to find usefull for the rest of us IMHO.
Regards
Martin Jespersen
Georg Lutz wrote:
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> what do you mean by "root-level-folders" ?
> With a MUA you can only create folders in your INBOX. If you want to
> create public-shared-folders you have to use maildirmake (which is part
> of courier-imap), perhaps with a combination of
> /usr/lib/courierimap/etc/maildirshared.
> How folders in your private namespace are displayed, depends on the MUA
> you are using. In Netscape this are all subfolders of "INBOX".
>
> But for further information you should look at man maildirmake or at the
> courier-mailing-list.
> I am quite happy with courier-imap and I would not recommend any other
> imapd with maildir-patches.
>
> Bye
> Georg
>
> Martin Jespersen schrieb:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > My MUA is netscape messanger 4.73 for windows and i am not about to change this so
>spare me any
> > rants about getting another MUA.
> >
> > I am currently using wu-imapd v4.7 with maildir patch, but i am not quite
>satisfied with (the
> > maildir driver has a few missing features that are really anoying).
> >
> > So i am trying to get courier imapd 1.1 up and running, and it runs just fine,
>but...
> >
> > It refused to create root-level subfolders and i can only create subfolders under
>the INBOX.
> >
> > i have tried to reconfigure/reinstall 10 times now with and without the
>--enable-workaround..
> >
> > i have even tried to modify the source code to use PRIVA as the personal namespace
>instead of INBOX
> > (yeah i changed it everywhere and make check worked fine)
> >
> > but it is a no-go...
> >
> > maybe it would work if i completely rewrote the namespace structure of
>courier-imapd and changed the
> > subfolder delimiter from "." to "/" like mh use since mh seems to work fine except
>being super-slow
> > and outdated in alot of ways
> >
> > is there anyone who is succesfully running courier with support for netscape out
>there?
> >
> > going through the sourcecode it seems that courier actually insists that
>root-level folders should
> > reside under ./Maildir/ eg. the trashfolder is file-system wise created as
>./Maildir/Trash/
> >
> > can anyone answer me this: why? isn't this just begging for MUA problems?
> >
> > *ARGH the pain!*
> >
> > if anyone knows of ANY imap server that supports Maildir format and Netscape
>messanger at the same
> > time PLEASE tell me, because i am running out of ideas besides coding my own imap
>server and i
> > really don't feel like doing that unless i absolutely have to (i hate coding C -go
>figure :)
> >
> > if only perl was faster then i would make one today, but alas perl is no good for
>production-level
> > daemons.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Martin Jespersen
>
> --
>
> Georg Lutz | http://www.erc.de
> ERC - Euro Regio Consult AG | Tel: +49 7854 9696-0
> Im Buehl 10 | Fax: +49 7854 9696-20
> D-77694 Kehl
Hi Martin,
Courier-imap never creates any folder outside the maildir.
Messenger never shows any subfolders in your private namespace on the
same level as the INBOX-folder.
IMAP-Namespace has nothing to to how IMAP-Server stores their messages.
Even if you patch courier-imap, Messenger shows subfolders of private
namespace as subfolders of INBOX.
courier-imap uses some extensions to maildir-format.
The "." when creating a folder is used to be compatible with
standard-maildir-format.
Otherwise an appplication would not be able to differentiate between
maildir-folder "cur" and user folder "cur".
I realy don't know whats your the problem with courier-imap.
Bye
Georg
Martin Jespersen schrieb:
>
> Hi Georg,
>
> Definition
>
> root-level folders = folders on the same level as the INBOX in the filesystem
>directory structure.
>
> Example:
>
> INBOX == ~mylogin/Maildir/
> Trash == ~mylogin/Trash/
> Sent == ~mylogin/Sent/
>
> etc...
>
> I have made a Maildir folder under ~mylogin as ~mylogin/Maildir/ using maildirmake
>and there is no
> problem delivering to it or reading from it.
>
> The problem is this: Courier-imapd refuse to create root-level folders and insists
>that all folders
> should be created as subfolder of the INBOX folder.
>
> Example:
>
> INBOX == ~mylogin/Maildir/
> Trash == ~mylogin/Maildir/Trash/
> Sent == ~mylogin/Maildir/Sent/
>
> Furthermore, since courier-imapd uses '.' as separator instead of the standard '/'
>that other
> Maildir-like message structures like Mh use all folders are created with a . infront.
>
> Example:
>
> INBOX == ~mylogin/Maildir/
> Trash == ~mylogin/Maildir/.Trash/
> Sent == ~mylogin/Maildir/.Sent/
>
> The problem basically seems to be that the guy who wrote courier-imapd is so hooked
>on the rfc's
> that he made a imap server that breakes all clients :( (or at least netscape
>messanger and microsoft
> outlook, which are used by the larger part of internet users as MUA)
>
> At first i thought that this was due to the silly choice of personal Namespace that
>he made, ie.
> INBOX which is a more or less reserved word in most MUA's.
>
> But although i patched the source to use PRIVA instead it still fucked up.
>
> So i guess it might be the '.' seperator that is the problem, though i am in know
>way knowledgable
> enough about the imap specs to base this on anything else than gut-feeling as a
>professional
> programmer of many years.
>
> But before i take on the task of making a complete working patch for courier imapd
>which supports
> standard MUA's i would like to be sure that no-one has done this before me, since i
>am hard pressed
> on time as it is, and actually need a good working imap server that supports Maildir
>now ;)
>
> I thought about contacting the guy who wrote it, but i must admit that after reading
>the FAQ and
> BUGS section on the download site i doubt very much that he in anyway cares about my
>problems since
> he seems to think that all MUA's that doesn't speak imap his way should be fixed
>*shrug*.
> That is an attitude that is hard to find usefull for the rest of us IMHO.
>
> Regards
>
> Martin Jespersen
>
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Greetings,
I am already doing virtual hosting for my friend with his web site (via
Apache), and now he would like me to see if I can set up e-mail on this
host. The original domain name of the-republic.org is being used
currently, and my friend has a shell account on this box and can
send/receive mail as [EMAIL PROTECTED]
He would like to be able to receive e-mail via his shell account and Pine
for foo.com in addition to any e-mail he would receive that is sent to
the-republiic.org domain. I read the docs and normally this is _not_ the
situtation (two e-mails sent to the-republic.org domain and foo.com domain
would end up in the same mailbox).
So, how do I approach this? I have set up the MX records for his domain
so that mail destined for foo.com will hit this box. Once received,
should I just set up qmail virtual domains as is described in the
qmail-howto by Adam Mckenna? If so, is it possible to
set up the MUA to send out e-mail as [EMAIL PROTECTED]?
Any pointers would be helpful. Or tell we where to RTFM, and I'll be more
than happy to (if I haven't already :-).
Thanks,
Will
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On 15-Oct-2000, Willis L. Sarka wrote:
> He would like to be able to receive e-mail via his shell account and Pine
> for foo.com in addition to any e-mail he would receive that is sent to
> the-republiic.org domain. I read the docs and normally this is _not_ the
> situtation (two e-mails sent to the-republic.org domain and foo.com domain
> would end up in the same mailbox).
In /var/qmail/control/virtualdomains:
the-republic.org:yourfriend
foo.com:yourfriend
It's telling qmail where to look dot-qmail instructions in ~yourfriend
(the homedir of the user yourfriend). For example if you want to set
up both [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] you just create
~yourfriend/.qmail-john containing the instructions on where to
deliver mail (man dot-qmail for more info).
Alternatively you can use, say alias-republicfoo, in place of
yourfriend in virtualdomains. Then you create
~alias/.qmail-republicfoo-john for john@. This is useful if your
friend didn't have home dir in the machine.
HTH,
Ronny
Hi,
I am a new (and happy) qmail user.
After spending days on reading various documents,
man pages, how to pages, FAQ ...
some things about daemon tools are still not
so clear to me.
qmail.org and qmail's author clearlly suggest to
use tcpserver for qmail-smtpd and this is
enough for me.
But there is not any clear suggestion for using
daemon tools instead of a superserver like xinetd
(inetd is out of the question).
In addition, the "install" file from the qmail
source destribution has an example for using inetd to launch qmail-smtpd and
pop3d.
On the other hand qmail-howto, and allmost every
othe document about qmail, are suggesting using daemon tools.
Friends of mine working as administrators in medium
size ISPs, are suggesting to use qmail-smtpd and qmail-pop3d
with xinetd like they do.
All these different oppinions confused
me.
I just want to know the best way to
control qmail since I am expecting a high
number of mail users.
What I am concerned is a reliable, stable and
efficient mail delivery.
Only :)
John
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Hello all, does anyone use DJB's rbldns package? I'm trying to
use it and am having some trouble with the TXT record portion.
The documentation for the data file is at:
http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/rbldns-data.html
Basically no matter how I put things into the 'data' file, it will
only serve up a TXT record of "Listed 1.2.3.4" Yes I am rebuilding
it each time, even deleting the cdb file just to make sure.
For example, I'm trying to block a mypoints.com mail server
who's address is 216.32.218.143. I put that in the file by itself
and rbldns works fine serving up "Listed 216.32.218.143" when
queried. According to that web page above, if I put additional
data into the file of the form "ip:a:txt" where a is the A record
and TXT is the text to return, it seems to add the IP to the DNS
server but not the other parts.
216.32.218.143:127.0.0.2:Go Away
That should return a text record of "Go Away" but it just gives
me the default "Listed 216.32.218.143" instead.
Please help. :-)
Thanks,
Dave
On Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 02:42:55PM -0400, Hubbard, David wrote:
> Hello all, does anyone use DJB's rbldns package? I'm trying to
> use it and am having some trouble with the TXT record portion.
> The documentation for the data file is at:
>
> http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/rbldns-data.html
>
> Basically no matter how I put things into the 'data' file, it will
> only serve up a TXT record of "Listed 1.2.3.4" Yes I am rebuilding
> it each time, even deleting the cdb file just to make sure.
>
> For example, I'm trying to block a mypoints.com mail server
> who's address is 216.32.218.143. I put that in the file by itself
> and rbldns works fine serving up "Listed 216.32.218.143" when
> queried. According to that web page above, if I put additional
> data into the file of the form "ip:a:txt" where a is the A record
> and TXT is the text to return, it seems to add the IP to the DNS
> server but not the other parts.
>
> 216.32.218.143:127.0.0.2:Go Away
The documentation doesn't say you can do this. You don't get to have a
different TXT record for each address; you just have one line of the form:
:127.0.0.2:Go Away
and queries for *all* addresses you've listed will get an A record of 127.0.0.2
and a TXT record of "Go away."
Chris
Thanks a lot Chris, that was the problem, it's
working great now. I do wish I could customize
the responses but that's a minor complaint.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 2:54 PM
To: Hubbard, David
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Re: Problems with rbldns?
On Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 02:42:55PM -0400, Hubbard, David wrote:
> Hello all, does anyone use DJB's rbldns package? I'm trying to
> use it and am having some trouble with the TXT record portion.
> The documentation for the data file is at:
>
> http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/rbldns-data.html
>
> Basically no matter how I put things into the 'data' file, it will
> only serve up a TXT record of "Listed 1.2.3.4" Yes I am rebuilding
> it each time, even deleting the cdb file just to make sure.
>
> For example, I'm trying to block a mypoints.com mail server
> who's address is 216.32.218.143. I put that in the file by itself
> and rbldns works fine serving up "Listed 216.32.218.143" when
> queried. According to that web page above, if I put additional
> data into the file of the form "ip:a:txt" where a is the A record
> and TXT is the text to return, it seems to add the IP to the DNS
> server but not the other parts.
>
> 216.32.218.143:127.0.0.2:Go Away
The documentation doesn't say you can do this. You don't get to have a
different TXT record for each address; you just have one line of the form:
:127.0.0.2:Go Away
and queries for *all* addresses you've listed will get an A record of
127.0.0.2
and a TXT record of "Go away."
Chris
Felix von Leitner writes:
> I have made available statically linked x86-linux binaries for tcpserver
> and tcpclient from ucspi-tcp with my IPv6 patch.
I don't see where Dan gave you permission to distribute these
binaries. It's not even legal to redistribute unmodified ucspi-tcp
sources. Given the current state of the law (DeCSS decision), it's
not wise for me to link to something if I know that its copyright
status is questionable. So, no link from the websites, sorry.
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This is pretty far off the topic, but since you asked here are my two cents
as well. My certification was definitely not useful in my everyday
activities with the exception of the TCP/IP class. And that was only because
my class was taught by a retired military researcher who actually worked on
the protocol in its early development. Still, if he had stayed true to the
Microsoft material that class would have fallen into the same boat. The one
place where the MCSE does help is on a resume. The better employers look at
this and add in other factors like work experience, education, etc. to
decide how much you are worth to them. In my experience I have found that it
is useful at least in that area. I agree with your general statement about
MS products. We will see if they ever get the message or not.
Aaron
-----Original Message-----
From: MaD dUCK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 9:46 PM
To: Aaron Newcomb
Cc: Adam McKenna; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Bogus MAIL FROM (SPAM)
> > Aaron Newcomb, MCSE <-- gee, that wasn't obvious.
> point. Lastly, I am not sure what comment you are trying to make about my
> MCSE certification, but I am proud of the training I have had on all the
> operating systems I work with whether they be MS, UX, Linux or otherwise.
sos di you find the MCSE useful? i am one too and i thought that the tests
were not only ridiculously simple, but also just plain bollocks. microsoft
products are way to non-adherent to standards and way to nice-user-gui
stuffed to make their tests useful outside of a "domain". just my two cents.
martin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(greetings from the heart of the sun)
I some ways I agree with you again. I took TCP/IP as well and if the exam
wasn't called "TCP/IP on Microsoft Windows" and touching all the MS specifics,
I would have thought higher of it. I did do Cisco and Novell certs before and
so it wasn't news in any way.
About the resume: see the thing is that this was true a couple of years ago,
but taking how easy MCSE actually is - i mean you can complete the cert in one
week without any training (this is what i did) - many people now use it as an
entrance path into IT. and the more MCSE's without real experience that exist,
the less the MCSE cert is going to be worth. it might still be true that MCSE
will get you a better position on job choices, but i have recently encountered
many companies who are totally unimpressed by MCSE or who require it anyway as
a sort of base level because it is considered a "popular" certification.
martin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(greetings from the heart of the sun)
Hello,
Yes, I do have rcpthosts in my control directory. I have tried it
both with and without the file. I still have not figured out why this
thing is still allowing relaying. If there are any other suggestion
please let me know
Thanks
Cliff Cole
On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Timothy L. Mayo wrote:
> You are missing the /var/qmail/control/rcpthosts file. That file MUST be
> present and should contain the domains listed in locals and virtualdomains
> as well as any domains for which you are acting as a secondary MX.
>
> Then you will need to set RELAYCLIENT="" for all IPs which you wish to
> allow relaying for.
>
> This is covered in the FAQ that came with qmail as well as at
> www.qmail.org and Dave Sill's excellent 'Life With qmail".
>
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Cliff Cole wrote:
>
> > Hello again,
> > After some testing, it appears that adding the ':deny' string it
> > will deny EVERYTHING comming into port 25 even othe MTA's. I removed
> > :deny and it now allows ALL IP's to relay from my server. Any other
> > suggestion I may try?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Cliff
> >
> > On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Leonard Tulipan wrote:
> >
> > > If you want tcpserver to only allow some hosts, you would do something like
> > > this
> > > (Look at http://cr.yp.to/ucspi-tcp/tcprules.html for more info)
> > >
> > > 192.168.0.xxx:allow
> > > 192.168.0.yyy:allow
> > > :deny
> > >
> > > this has to be "compiled" by tcprules of course.
> > >
> > > Ciao
> > > Leo
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 11:49 AM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: tcpserver
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > > Forgive me for such a stupid question, I have been having problems
> > > > with tcpserver NOT denying IP address. I have only entered a few IP
> > > > classes into the tcp.smtp file, I have updated it using tcprules, and I
> > > > also have '-x tcp.smtp.cdb' flagged in the startup of smptd. Yet is still
> > > > does not deny any type of IP address. Has anyone else experienced this
> > > > problem, I have tried everything I can think of to resolve this
> > > > problem. I have reinstalled tcpserver. remove and recreated the .cdb
> > > > file, anyone have any tips that would help?
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > > Cliff Cole
> > >
> >
> >
>
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On Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 09:46:24PM +0200, Olivier M. wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 06:50:59PM +0700, Joomy wrote:
> > 1. Can I use more then 8 chars password with both system ? like md5 in
> > shadow password ? or I have to user ldap authentication ?
> AFAIK, vmailmgr supports MD5 passwords, so probably passwords which
> are longer than 8 chars.
Yes. vmailmgr can authenticate against both standard crypt and MD5
passwords, and writes out MD5 passwords by default. With MD5 passwords,
there is no limit on pass phrase length.
> > 3. Which file/dir will be count when I use quota support in each user dir ?
> the entire maildir ? or just ./new and ./cur ?
> good question :) the answer would also interest me.
Right now, it only counts new and cur. Support for the entire maildir
is on the TODO.
> > and the last one, about file system.
> > What is the differrent if
> > 1. I store 50,000 user mail directory in the same directory. (can I do this
> > ? are there any limitation about file sytem ?)
> should be ok.
Storing 50K users in one directory is possible but inadvisable.
Managing a CDB with 50K users could be time consuming (each modification
requires rewriting the CDB). vmailmgr has support for GDBM (and soon
*DBM) password tables, which reduces this problem.
> > 2. I store 50,000 user mail directory by using the vpopmail (create sub-dir
> > when dir reach 100 dirs or something like that)
> well, that's the vpopmail or vmailmgr which will do that : you don't
> have to create the directory by yourself...
vmailmgr has a directory hashing feature that can evenly distribute the
directories into multiple other directories, if enabled before the
accounts are created.
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Hi all
After finally getting together an ounce of courage I have put up my
first redesign of a document I wrote for our distributed e-mail a few
months ago. It doesn't (yet) detail how to put a distributed e-mail
(read: REDES) server together from scratch (this was an operation
manual for a dummy not a HOWTO), but don't despair, this is coming
soonish (after my exams are over).
For those interested in looking at my first revision, please visit
xbox.ipsware.com, and let me know either here on list (this is an
on-topic discussion), or personally, what you think and what you would
like to see. Please, no requests for "Can you tell me how to set this
thing up?" because I am going to show you...Soon. Look at November for
it.
Enjoy.
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http://ipsware.com/
OK Maybe I should have given a short description
REDES allows networks from around the world to connect to one another
and basically use the single e-mail system, one single domain name,
and all very efficiently, tightly and easy to use from an
adminstrative point of view.
We are currently using it in the city of Sydney and looking at
extending to London and Kiev soonish, and we don't foresee any major
problems. In fact, our system should be able to cope without
modification.
Even though we only use one domain for our entire planet's e-mail
(well, inside our organisation anyway), the system can support as many
domains as you like around the globe. Run five seperate domains which
each span the globe. Add whatever qmail add-ons you like, extend
however you like. Basically what I am putting together is a real hard
core, working starting point for your corporation's distributed e-mail
system, which can be built upon without making even one small module
'dodgy'. It is made to work and work well.
I hope it meets the needs of the big and small sites that need this
capability.
/BR
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Hi,
I got qmail installed and running successfully between my local hosts. I
have also installed tcpserver to run pop3 thru the commandline:
/usr/local/bin/tcpserver 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup
pop.rock.com \
/usr/local/bin/checkvpw /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir &
and imap running thru the command:
#!/bin/sh -
. /usr/local/etc/imapd.config
case x$IMAPDSTART in
x[yY]*)
/usr/local/libexec/courier-imap/imapd.rc start
;;
esac
MS window98 failed with the pop3 and imap wiht the err msg:
connection disconnected by server ...
Can anyone tell me what may be wrong with my FreeBSD setting?
Thanks
Sam.
better use tcpserver though.
tcp-env as described in the FAQ didn't work on my Linux system. Apparently
the Environment Variable RELAYCLIENT didn't get set.
Ciao
Leo
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Eric Pearse [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 12:52 AM
> To: MaD dUCK
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts
>
> or maybe i should have read 5.4 of the FAQ in the tarball. ;-)
>
> thanks,
>
>
Tell them to download either download the source-code from qmail to check it
themselves,
or to fix the problem!
Gee, those windows shops are so convinced of themselves that they don't even
notice their obvious mistakes.
Ciao
Leo
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rich Feather [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 9:36 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: MTA and \r\n problems
>
> Okay, I have inherited a legacy Active Server Pages/VB environment that
> uses ASPEmail to send HTML email messages to a qmail relay server. I
> keep getting the dreaded LF bounce. After talking to Persits Software
> (the makers of the component), they're convinced that qmail is stripping
> the CRLF and replacing it with simply a LF. My questions are, is this a
> reasonable behavior from qmail and, if so, how would I fix it?
>
> Thanks.
Hi all.
I have 2 questions to submit.
1)The first is a newbye question about ezmlm program.
Can i create mailing list without user name?
In the examples doc, i must supply [EMAIL PROTECTED], but if i want to
create only [EMAIL PROTECTED] (like [EMAIL PROTECTED])?
2)I'm managing a mail server with qmail. I have about 200 users and 50
virtual domains, and all my configuration works correctly.
I have created about 180 real users (passwd and shadow files) in my system
for managing virtual domains accounts.
I know that many servers (with qmail) over the internet, host a lot of
virtual users (10000), but i can't think they created 9000 real users!!
Someone can tell me if there was a method to avoid the creation of real account
for managing virtual users?
Thanks.
Linux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 1)The first is a newbye question about ezmlm program. Can i create
> mailing list without user name? In the examples doc, i must supply
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], but if i want to create only
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (like [EMAIL PROTECTED])?
Simple. Just create a .qmail-user file in ~alias. This works just the
same as creating a .qmail-dash file in ~user. BUT from now on, please
ask ezmlm questions on the ezmlm list?
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On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 09:18:58AM +0200, Linux wrote:
> 2)I'm managing a mail server with qmail. I have about 200 users and 50
> virtual domains, and all my configuration works correctly.
> I have created about 180 real users (passwd and shadow files) in my system
> for managing virtual domains accounts.
> I know that many servers (with qmail) over the internet, host a lot of
> virtual users (10000), but i can't think they created 9000 real users!!
> Someone can tell me if there was a method to avoid the creation of real account
> for managing virtual users?
Yes: if you use vmailmgr <http://www.vmailmgr.org>, you will need only
one real account per domain, and with vpopmail (check qmail.orG), only
one account. Both have own mailing lists.
Regards,
Olivier
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http://www.nationalpost.com/search/story.html?f=/stories/20001012/426367.html
Not related to qmail whatsoever, but it is what I consider to be an
interesting article (albeit short on detail) about Microsoft's efforts
to move into the Linux material with the help of Corel.
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