qmail Digest 22 Nov 2000 11:00:01 -0000 Issue 1191
Topics (messages 52591 through 52698):
Re: Backing up IMAP Maildir's ?
52591 by: Dennis
52593 by: Peter Green
52599 by: Tim Hunter
52606 by: Bill Carlson
52613 by: Dave Sill
52617 by: Matt Brown
52642 by: David L. Nicol
52654 by: Kourosh Ghassemieh
52655 by: Kourosh Ghassemieh
Problem with "make setup check" in Aix 4.3
52592 by: Fernando Barreto
Anti-Spam
52594 by: Ould
52595 by: Jose AP Celestino
52615 by: Christopher Splinter
How insall qmail relay server in an DMZ
52596 by: Ould
52626 by: Dave Sill
52677 by: Jose AP Celestino
52679 by: Jose AP Celestino
52682 by: Jose AP Celestino
52683 by: Andy Bradford
Relay and rblsmtpd
52597 by: Roberto Samarone Araujo \(RSA\)
Problem with rblsmtpd test I dont'have tcp.smtp.cdb
52598 by: Ould
52627 by: Dave Sill
52675 by: Jose AP Celestino
52676 by: Jose AP Celestino
52681 by: Jose AP Celestino
Re: ezmlm response
52600 by: Peter Green
Re: smtp service being flooded
52601 by: Dave Sill
qrblcheck
52602 by: Mate Wierdl
52603 by: Mate Wierdl
52621 by: Jon Rust
Postgres
52604 by: Cleiton Luiz Siqueira
52659 by: Peter van Dijk
Re: return receipts
52605 by: David L. Nicol
How do I use qmail with Windows clients?
52607 by: Phil_Hedley.Mitel.COM
52680 by: Jose AP Celestino
Uh-oh:_.qmail_has_file_delivery_but_has_x_bit_set
52608 by: Jon
52610 by: Jamin Collins
52612 by: Matt Brown
What is the problem???
52609 by: Ould
Minor Annoyance
52611 by: Jamin Collins
52614 by: Peter Green
52648 by: David Dyer-Bennet
52685 by: Peter Green
Starting qmail: problem with svscan
52616 by: Joao Costa
52618 by: Matt Brown
52619 by: Joao Costa
52625 by: Ricardo Cerqueira
52629 by: Dave Sill
52630 by: Dave Sill
52631 by: Ruprecht Helms
Re: Host name not found
52620 by: Dave Sill
52638 by: markd.bushwire.net
Re: secrets and lies
52622 by: Michael T. Babcock
52623 by: Michael T. Babcock
52628 by: Adam McKenna
52633 by: Qmail Admin
52639 by: Paul Jarc
52640 by: Paul Jarc
52641 by: Raul Miller
52643 by: Paul Jarc
52649 by: Michael T. Babcock
52652 by: Vinko Vrsalovic
52662 by: Raul Miller
52663 by: Raul Miller
52668 by: Al
52669 by: Paul Jarc
52670 by: Paul Jarc
52672 by: Paul Jarc
52674 by: Al
52678 by: Al
52692 by: Russ Allbery
log question
52624 by: Barry Smoke
IMAP and Maildir
52632 by: Jamin Collins
52635 by: Peter Green
52637 by: Nicholas Leonovich
52698 by: roger.beerology.net
SMTP
52634 by: Ederson
52644 by: Charles Cazabon
qmail won't deliver emails?
52636 by: Collin B. McClendon
52665 by: Timothy Legant
qmail enhancements
52645 by: Johan Van Gompel
52651 by: Sean Reifschneider
52664 by: Bruce Guenter
Courier or qmail
52646 by: Jamin Collins
52647 by: Ben Beuchler
52650 by: Sean Reifschneider
Re: Separation of qmail-smtpd & qmail-remote
52653 by: Sean Reifschneider
Problem with "421: Server Temporary unavailable"
52656 by: O'Yang Kai
Re: Forwarding of a whole domain
52657 by: Sean Reifschneider
Re: control files on an NFS share?
52658 by: Sean Reifschneider
52673 by: Ben Beuchler
Help with open relay questions
52660 by: Eric Walters
Re: socket sending to qmail problem... pleaseeeee help...
52661 by: Sean Reifschneider
maildrop with qmail , vpopmail and sqwebmail
52666 by: carl
Re: SMTP on a port other than 25
52667 by: Michael Boyiazis
list archive?
52671 by: Robert Eric Pearse
52686 by: Peter Green
Virtual Domains
52684 by: Dennis Kavadas
52687 by: David Dyer-Bennet
Pop3 and Maildir ?
52688 by: Dennis Kavadas
52696 by: Peter van Dijk
sending messages from sysadm to users
52689 by: David Ryan
52690 by: Andy Bradford
52691 by: Ben Beuchler
ezmlm...
52693 by: Marc-Adrian Napoli
Quicky mail list
52694 by: Tim Burden
Command + Delivery?
52695 by: Todd A. Jacobs
QMail 1.03 and Exchange 5.5 relaying problem
52697 by: Jari Huovila
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mmm....
still not convinced.
Just noticed that ArcServe for Linux exists
http://www.cai.com/arcserve/arcserve_linux.htm
This might do the trick.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Olivier M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 November 2000 9:25 PM
> To: Dennis
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Backing up IMAP Maildir's ?
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 09:00:54AM +1100, Dennis wrote:
> > Sure, but will a running qmail complain if the dir's are being accessed
> > while the backup is taking place ?
>
> if you just read the maildirs, I don't think there will be a problem.
> Maybe you can stop delivery during the backup, but I guess it
> takes quite a lot of time.
>
> > And i'm talking about 20 to 50 gigs of email.
>
> wow... that must be a very big company :)
>
> Olivier
> --
> _________________________________________________________________
> Olivier Mueller - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - PGPkeyID: 0E84D2EA - Switzerland
> qmail projects: http://omail.omnis.ch - http://webmail.omnis.ch
>
* Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001121 06:31]:
> mmm....
> still not convinced.
Don't worry too much about it. It's simply NOT going to hurt anything. We
use amanda for our backups and while we don't backup 50GB of mail, it works
just fine. (No commercial backup software necessary... ;)
Besides, even if it *were* a problem, it would only defer mail for a
particular Maildir/ until the backup of that directory were done. That might
actually delay e-mail a couple of minutes or so, depending on the speed of
your backup software.
If you are interested in doing a ``cold'' backup, set concurrencylocal to 0,
HUP qmail-send, and backup 'til your heart's content. (This will prevent any
new local mail from being delivered.) Once the backup is done, reset your
concurrencylocal, HUP qmail-send again, and revel in the knowledge that you
have a perfect backup of your Maildir/s. (Oh, you'll probably want to stop
your IMAP/POP3 daemons as well, if you are really paranoid.)
/pg
--
Peter Green : Gospel Communications Network, SysAdmin : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
---
I guess I kinda lost control, because in the middle of the play I ran up and
lit the evil puppet villain on fire. No, I didn't. Just kidding. I just said
that to help illustrate one of the human emotions, which is freaking out.
Another emotion is greed, as when you kill someone for money, or something
like that. Another emotion is generosity, as when you pay someone double what
he paid for his stupid puppet.
(Jack Handey)
Although I do not back up nearly the amount of data you do I use tar to
backup my IMAP data.
tar (when used in this way) just reads the data and dumps it to tape, there
is no need to stop qmail or worry about what its doing.
-- Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 6:21 PM
To: Olivier M.
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Backing up IMAP Maildir's ?
mmm....
still not convinced.
Just noticed that ArcServe for Linux exists
http://www.cai.com/arcserve/arcserve_linux.htm
This might do the trick.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Olivier M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 November 2000 9:25 PM
> To: Dennis
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Backing up IMAP Maildir's ?
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 09:00:54AM +1100, Dennis wrote:
> > Sure, but will a running qmail complain if the dir's are being accessed
> > while the backup is taking place ?
>
> if you just read the maildirs, I don't think there will be a problem.
> Maybe you can stop delivery during the backup, but I guess it
> takes quite a lot of time.
>
> > And i'm talking about 20 to 50 gigs of email.
>
> wow... that must be a very big company :)
>
> Olivier
> --
> _________________________________________________________________
> Olivier Mueller - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - PGPkeyID: 0E84D2EA - Switzerland
> qmail projects: http://omail.omnis.ch - http://webmail.omnis.ch
>
On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Dennis wrote:
> mmm....
> still not convinced.
> Just noticed that ArcServe for Linux exists
> http://www.cai.com/arcserve/arcserve_linux.htm
> This might do the trick.
>
Having run Arcserve for Netware for a couple of years as well as Amanda,
I'd recommend staying far away from Arcserve on any platform.
As others have said, Amanda will do the job just fine.
$.02
Bill Carlson
--
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University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics |
"Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Yes, I'm asking the question again...
Why? If you didn't like the first answers, you should say why.
>Is there a formal way of backing up IMAP Maildir's ?
There's nothing magic about maildirs. Your normal backup utilities
(tar, dump, etc.) will handle them prefectly well.
-Dave
Dave Sill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> There's nothing magic about maildirs. Your normal backup utilities
> (tar, dump, etc.) will handle them prefectly well.
In fact, because of the nature of maildirs, backups of them are more
reliable than mboxes. You won't have incomplete files except in ./tmp
and those should just be ignored.
-Matt
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I see the question as, "How do I freeze IMAP so it
doesn't change anything?"
That's usually the backup issue, how to get the file system
to hold still while you back it up. OSF1 advfs has a "clone"
operation for this purpose, I do not know if other file systems
offer similar functionality, of declaring an instant freeze
and then tracking changed pages so that life can go on and the
backup taken at the moment of the cloning.
Without such a facility, you need to shut off whatever causes
changes when the backup happens, or resign yourself to failing
the consistency-check pass of your backup method.
Shutting off mail delivery and imap access (by killing qmail-send
and doing whatever it takes to shut off imap service) during
a scheduled, planned, outage-for-backups time is one way to do it
With plenty of disk space, another possible solution would be to
use tar to take a momentary snapshot, such as it is, of your
user's situations, and then back up all the username.tar files,
which will not be dynamicly changing. That way you don't actually
back up (with consistency check) your dynamic user spaces, you back up
(to tape) the copies of them.
Dave Sill wrote:
>
> "Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Yes, I'm asking the question again...
>
> Why? If you didn't like the first answers, you should say why.
>
> >Is there a formal way of backing up IMAP Maildir's ?
>
> There's nothing magic about maildirs. Your normal backup utilities
> (tar, dump, etc.) will handle them prefectly well.
>
> -Dave
--
David Nicol 816.235.1187 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"I must report that I am in the fortunate position of having logged
and categorized my nightmares over the past 37 years."
-- Bob Dehnhardt
It doesn't matter if IMAP is running. When backing up the dir's
the backup software simply reads the files and makes a copy to
tape. The only problem you will run into is that the backup is a
snapshot and will not reflect any changes made after. Any mails
added or deleted after the backup will not be reflected. Since
Maildir format is a directory with all the e-mails as files within
that directory you won't have problems. If you were using mbox
format you'd have a problem because it is a single file. You would
then have to shut down the MTA/MUA so the file doesn't get locked
while trying to back it up.
I've used BRU and it works great. Since you are using Maildir's you
don't need to shut down IMAP. The only mails that won't get backed
up are the ones being accessed at that time. qmail works on a per file
basis and doesn't lock the entire directory.
VXA drives can handle that kind of volume. I use them and they are great.
They even have an autoloader so you can do several weeks worth of backups
without changing a tape.
At 09:00 AM 11/22/2000 +1100, you wrote:
>Oliver
>
>Sure, but will a running qmail complain if the dir's are being accessed
>while the backup is taking place ?
>
>Also, I'd like the backup to be automated for tape aka BRU, company policy.
>
>And i'm talking about 20 to 50 gigs of email.
>
>Suggestions ?
>
>Cheers
>Dennis
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Olivier M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 November 2000 8:58 PM
> > To: Dennis
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Backing up IMAP Maildir's ?
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 08:38:34AM +1100, Dennis wrote:
> > > Yes, I'm asking the question again...
> > > Is there a formal way of backing up IMAP Maildir's ?
> > > What application or method is used ?
> >
> > tar cvIF ? :)
> > (what do you exactely want to do ? imap maildirs are normal
> > directories... can be backed up as any other file)
> >
> > Olivier
> > --
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Olivier Mueller - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - PGPkeyID: 0E84D2EA - Switzerland
> > qmail projects: http://omail.omnis.ch - http://webmail.omnis.ch
> >
-
_______________________________________________
Kourosh Ghassemieh
MindWare Information Systems & Technologies
9255 Sunset Blvd, Penthouse
West Hollywood CA 90069
(310) 729-1784, (310) 271-9807 fax
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
++++++Networking the Small Business++++++
ArcServe is good but _really_overpriced. Go with BRU or
Amanda. I' use BRU and like it a lot. I've heard great
things about Amanda.
At 10:20 AM 11/22/2000 +1100, you wrote:
>mmm....
>still not convinced.
>Just noticed that ArcServe for Linux exists
>http://www.cai.com/arcserve/arcserve_linux.htm
>This might do the trick.
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Olivier M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 21 November 2000 9:25 PM
> > To: Dennis
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Backing up IMAP Maildir's ?
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 09:00:54AM +1100, Dennis wrote:
> > > Sure, but will a running qmail complain if the dir's are being accessed
> > > while the backup is taking place ?
> >
> > if you just read the maildirs, I don't think there will be a problem.
> > Maybe you can stop delivery during the backup, but I guess it
> > takes quite a lot of time.
> >
> > > And i'm talking about 20 to 50 gigs of email.
> >
> > wow... that must be a very big company :)
> >
> > Olivier
> > --
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Olivier Mueller - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - PGPkeyID: 0E84D2EA - Switzerland
> > qmail projects: http://omail.omnis.ch - http://webmail.omnis.ch
> >
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_______________________________________________
Kourosh Ghassemieh
MindWare Information Systems & Technologies
9255 Sunset Blvd, Penthouse
West Hollywood CA 90069
(310) 729-1784, (310) 271-9807 fax
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
++++++Networking the Small Business++++++
Hi...
I don't write english very well so...
I'm having a problem here to compile de qmail on Aix 4.3... when I
did "make setup check", it generate this error after do some compilation:
----
./compile dns.c
dns.c:11: parse error before `int'
make: 1254-004 The error code from the last command is 1.
Stop.
----
This line is a "extern int h_errno;"
What's the problem here...
I have already created the users like INSTALL.ids...
Please... somebody can help me....
Bye
:-)
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I'm wondering for anti spam to install on my qmail mail server. Whant
you can suggested me.
Thanks
Never messed with it but you con try:
http://www.qmail.org/rbl/
---
Ould wrote:
> I'm wondering for anti spam to install on my qmail mail server. Whant
> you can suggested me.
>
> Thanks
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* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I'm wondering for anti spam to install on my qmail mail
> server.
http://summersault.com/chris/techno/qmail/qmail-antispam.html
Hi,
I Installed in my LAN qmail server, but I want that this server access
to internet
via another qmail server installed in an DMZ zone. Can you explain what
I must on
this server to relaying sendin/receiving mails to my local qmail server?
Thanks
Ould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I Installed in my LAN qmail server, but I want that this server access
>to internet
>via another qmail server installed in an DMZ zone. Can you explain what
>I must on
>this server to relaying sendin/receiving mails to my local qmail server?
Sure, just put something like the following in control/smtproutes:
:dmzbox.example.com
To force all outgoing mail through dmzbox.
-Dave
Let's see.
If you want your lan-qmail-server to just pass mail to your DMZ-qmail you
have to add the file smtproute to $QMAIL/control.
This file must contain
:dmz-qmail
where dmz-qmail is your dmz-qmail fully qualified domain name.
If, on the other hand, you want the dmz-qmail to pass all mail to your lan
to the lan-qmail-server then you just have to add this line to
$QMAIL/control/smtproutes:
.lan.domain:lan-qmail-server
where .lan.domain is your lan domain, lan-qmail-server is your lan-qmail fqn.
Hewck
Have you tried rtfm. There's plenty of stuff on this.
At 03:05 PM 11/21/00 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I Installed in my LAN qmail server, but I want that this server access
>to internet
>via another qmail server installed in an DMZ zone. Can you explain what
>I must on
>this server to relaying sendin/receiving mails to my local qmail server?
>
>Thanks
Jose AP Celestino [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Systems Administration
SAPO - PT Multimedia
--------------------------------
Let's see.
If you want your lan-qmail-server to just pass mail to your DMZ-qmail you
have to add the file smtproute to $QMAIL/control.
This file must contain
:dmz-qmail
where dmz-qmail is your dmz-qmail fully qualified domain name.
If, on the other hand, you want the dmz-qmail to pass all mail to your lan
to the lan-qmail-server then you just have to add this line to
$QMAIL/control/smtproutes:
.lan.domain:lan-qmail-server
where .lan.domain is your lan domain, lan-qmail-server is your lan-qmail fqn.
Hewck
Have you tried rtfm. There's plenty of stuff on this.
At 03:05 PM 11/21/00 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I Installed in my LAN qmail server, but I want that this server access
>to internet
>via another qmail server installed in an DMZ zone. Can you explain what
>I must on
>this server to relaying sendin/receiving mails to my local qmail server?
>
>Thanks
Jose AP Celestino [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Systems Administration
SAPO - PT Multimedia
--------------------------------
Let's see.
If you want your lan-qmail-server to just pass mail to your DMZ-qmail you
have to add the file smtproute to $QMAIL/control.
This file must contain
:dmz-qmail
where dmz-qmail is your dmz-qmail fully qualified domain name.
If, on the other hand, you want the dmz-qmail to pass all mail to your lan
to the lan-qmail-server then you just have to add this line to
$QMAIL/control/smtproutes:
.lan.domain:lan-qmail-server
where .lan.domain is your lan domain, lan-qmail-server is your lan-qmail fqn.
Hewck
Have you tried rtfm. There's plenty of stuff on this.
At 03:05 PM 11/21/00 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I Installed in my LAN qmail server, but I want that this server access
>to internet
>via another qmail server installed in an DMZ zone. Can you explain what
>I must on
>this server to relaying sendin/receiving mails to my local qmail server?
>
>Thanks
Jose AP Celestino [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Systems Administration
SAPO - PT Multimedia
--------------------------------
Thus said Jose AP Celestino on Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:38:39 GMT:
> Have you tried rtfm. There's plenty of stuff on this.
Why don't you RTFM on your MUA so you don't send out duplicate emails
to the mailing list... sheesh.
Andy
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Hi,
I want to block some emails so, I installed rlblsmtpd. I need to put it in
qmail initialization script but, I don't know how to do it.
This line is in my qmail.sh start up script.
tcpserver -b 64 -c 64 -x/etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -g 82 -u 82 -t 600 0 smtp
/var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd 2>&1 | /var/qmail/bin/splogger smtpd &
Another question: If I need to block an email from my system, I need only to
put the next line in /etc/tcp.smtp ?
deny:$RBLSMTPD="email@email"
thanks,
Roberto Samarone Araujo
Hi,
I cam just to install rblsmtpd all tests mentionned in INSTALL file
works fine.
But my problem Is about haw to include:
"tcpserver -p -v -x/etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -u1007 -g1007 0 25 \
rblsmtpd qmail-smtpd 2>&1 | setuser qmaill accustamp | \
setuser qmaill cyclog \
-s1000000 -n5 /var/log/qmail/qmail-smtpd"
in my inetd.conf. I don't have a file tcp.smtp.cdb anywhere in my /etc.
I use tcpserver, here line I intoduced in inetd.conf in order to take
into account tcpserver:
" tcpserver -u -v 81 -g 80 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd 2> 1 \
| /var/qmail/bin/splogger smtpd 3 & "
Thanks
Ould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I cam just to install rblsmtpd all tests mentionned in INSTALL file
>works fine.
>But my problem Is about haw to include:
>"tcpserver -p -v -x/etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -u1007 -g1007 0 25 \
> rblsmtpd qmail-smtpd 2>&1 | setuser qmaill accustamp | \
> setuser qmaill cyclog \
> -s1000000 -n5 /var/log/qmail/qmail-smtpd"
>in my inetd.conf.
Don't do that. tcpserver performs the same function as inetd: use one
or the other--preferrably tcpserver.
>I don't have a file tcp.smtp.cdb anywhere in my /etc.
Make one. See the docs for ucspi-tcp or follow the examples in "Life
with qmail".
-Dave
At 03:58 PM 11/21/00 +0100, you wrote:
Hi,
I cam just to install rblsmtpd all tests mentionned in INSTALL file
works fine.
good.
But my problem Is about haw to include:
"tcpserver -p -v -x/etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -u1007 -g1007 0 25 \
rblsmtpd qmail-smtpd 2>&1 | setuser qmaill accustamp | \
setuser qmaill cyclog \
-s1000000 -n5 /var/log/qmail/qmail-smtpd"
in my inetd.conf.
What, where have you read you have to include this on your inetd.conf ?
tcpserver is a "super-daemon" like inetd, it kind of binds programs to ports.
don't have a file tcp.smtp.cdb anywhere in my /etc.
The cdb file is a cdb, of course, with rules on the access to the port "controlled"
by the tcpserver. You build such a cdb with tcpmakectl:
/usr/local/bin/tcpmakectl /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb /tmp/tcprules.tmp
and then you feed the rules through standard input.
The rules are very simple, for instance:
192.168.1.:allow,RELAYCLIENT=""
201.121.23.:allow,RELAYCLIENT=""
etc.
= RTFM =
I use tcpserver, here line I intoduced in inetd.conf in order to take
into account tcpserver:
" tcpserver -u -v 81 -g 80 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd 2> 1 \
| /var/qmail/bin/splogger smtpd 3 & "
duh? you have put this line into inetd.conf?
Thanks
Jose AP Celestino [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Systems Administration
SAPO - PT Multimedia
--------------------------------
At 03:58 PM 11/21/00 +0100, you wrote:
Hi,
I cam just to install rblsmtpd all tests mentionned in INSTALL file
works fine.
good.
But my problem Is about haw to include:
"tcpserver -p -v -x/etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -u1007 -g1007 0 25 \
rblsmtpd qmail-smtpd 2>&1 | setuser qmaill accustamp | \
setuser qmaill cyclog \
-s1000000 -n5 /var/log/qmail/qmail-smtpd"
in my inetd.conf.
What, where have you read you have to include this on your inetd.conf ?
tcpserver is a "super-daemon" like inetd, it kind of binds programs to ports.
don't have a file tcp.smtp.cdb anywhere in my /etc.
The cdb file is a cdb, of course, with rules on the access to the port "controlled"
by the tcpserver. You build such a cdb with tcpmakectl:
/usr/local/bin/tcpmakectl /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb /tmp/tcprules.tmp
and then you feed the rules through standard input.
The rules are very simple, for instance:
192.168.1.:allow,RELAYCLIENT=""
201.121.23.:allow,RELAYCLIENT=""
etc.
= RTFM =
I use tcpserver, here line I intoduced in inetd.conf in order to take
into account tcpserver:
" tcpserver -u -v 81 -g 80 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd 2> 1 \
| /var/qmail/bin/splogger smtpd 3 & "
duh? you have put this line into inetd.conf?
Thanks
Jose AP Celestino [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Systems Administration
SAPO - PT Multimedia
--------------------------------
At 03:58 PM 11/21/00 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I cam just to install rblsmtpd all tests mentionned in INSTALL file
>works fine.
good.
>But my problem Is about haw to include:
>"tcpserver -p -v -x/etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -u1007 -g1007 0 25 \
> rblsmtpd qmail-smtpd 2>&1 | setuser qmaill accustamp | \
> setuser qmaill cyclog \
> -s1000000 -n5 /var/log/qmail/qmail-smtpd"
>in my inetd.conf.
What, where have you read you have to include this on your inetd.conf ?
tcpserver is a "super-daemon" like inetd, it kind of binds programs to ports.
> don't have a file tcp.smtp.cdb anywhere in my /etc.
The cdb file is a cdb, of course, with rules on the access to the
port "controlled" by the tcpserver. You build such a cdb with tcpmakectl:
/usr/local/bin/tcpmakectl /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb /tmp/tcprules.tmp
and then you feed the rules through standard input.
The rules are very simple, for instance:
192.168.1.:allow,RELAYCLIENT=""
201.121.23.:allow,RELAYCLIENT=""
etc.
= RTFM =
>I use tcpserver, here line I intoduced in inetd.conf in order to take
>into account tcpserver:
>" tcpserver -u -v 81 -g 80 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd 2> 1 \
>| /var/qmail/bin/splogger smtpd 3 & "
duh? you have put this line into inetd.conf?
>Thanks
Jose AP Celestino [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Systems Administration
SAPO - PT Multimedia
--------------------------------
I wrote:
> If you are interested in doing a ``cold'' backup, set concurrencylocal to 0,
> HUP qmail-send, and backup 'til your heart's content. (This will prevent any
> new local mail from being delivered.)
Which is wrong. According to the qmail-send manpage, concurrencylocal does
NOT get reread on a HUP. A full stop and start is necessary to read this in.
(Thanks Bruce!)
Of course, the concept remains the same...
/pg
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Travis Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What is happening to my server any clues.
>
>Nov 19 13:53:49 mail inetd[516]: smtp/tcp server
>failing (looping or being flooded) stopping service
>for 10 minutes$
Your SMTP service is busy, either with legitimate traffic or some
illegitimate flood (an intentional attack or a misconfigured/
misbehaving remote server) and inetd is turning off SMTP service for
10 minutes.
You'll have to look at the nature of that SMTP traffic to determine if
it's legitimate or not. If it's legitimate, you'll either need to
configure inetd to allow a higher connection rate for SMTP or switch
to tcpserver, the recommended metaserver for qmail-smtpd.
If it's not legitimate, you'll have to figure out a way to make it
stop--perhaps by contacting the remote site or blocking them from
connecting to port 25, which is easy with tcpserver but not with
inetd.
-Dave
Compiling it, I get
$ gcc qrblcheck.c
/tmp/cc0U7AlJ.o: In function `rblcheck':
/tmp/cc0U7AlJ.o(.text+0x227): undefined reference to `__res_query'
/tmp/cc0U7AlJ.o(.text+0x28e): undefined reference to `__res_query'
/tmp/cc0U7AlJ.o(.text+0x307): undefined reference to `__res_query'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
This is
$ gcc -v
Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/2.96/specs
gcc version 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.0)
Thx
Mate
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OK, so I did
$ gcc -O -Wall -s qrblcheck.c -lresolv -o qrblcheck
qrblcheck.c: In function `main':
qrblcheck.c:269: warning: suggest parentheses around assignment used
as truth value
qrblcheck.c:303: warning: implicit declaration of function `mainrbl'
qrblcheck.c:315: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
qrblcheck.c: In function `mainrbl':
qrblcheck.c:341: warning: suggest parentheses around assignment used
as truth value
qrblcheck.c:328: warning: unused variable `c'
qrblcheck.c:321: warning: unused variable `quiet'
Perhaps these warnings should be avoided?
Mate
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Version 0.93 has been posted. No more warnings when compiling with
"-Wall" and included a note about possibly needing "-lresolv." I also
included some suggestions from Tullio Andreatta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for
better memory management.
Try it out and let me know.
http://jon.rusts.net/qrblcheck.c
jon
On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 10:47:10AM -0600, Mate Wierdl wrote:
> OK, so I did
>
> $ gcc -O -Wall -s qrblcheck.c -lresolv -o qrblcheck
> qrblcheck.c: In function `main':
> qrblcheck.c:269: warning: suggest parentheses around assignment used
> as truth value
> qrblcheck.c:303: warning: implicit declaration of function `mainrbl'
> qrblcheck.c:315: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
> qrblcheck.c: In function `mainrbl':
> qrblcheck.c:341: warning: suggest parentheses around assignment used
> as truth value
> qrblcheck.c:328: warning: unused variable `c'
> qrblcheck.c:321: warning: unused variable `quiet'
>
> Perhaps these warnings should be avoided?
>
> Mate
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Hi all,
Does anyone know how I can set up qmail with postgres database?
Regards Cleiton
On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 03:14:10PM -0200, Cleiton Luiz Siqueira wrote:
> Does anyone know how I can set up qmail with postgres database?
As far as I know, nobody has written up the necessary patches yet.
If you could elaborate on your needs, we might be able to help you out.
For example, I use qmail (no shit :) with tables generated from mySQL. I
don't need any mySQL patches to qmail for that, just a way to get my
data from mysql to my tables
(http://www.dataloss.net/software/mysqlquery/ is what I use, homegrown
tool :)
Greetz, Peter
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Yes, exactly. Without doubt the behavior of this typically
underhyped feature, like the rest of the dot-qmail file system,
depends on which .qmail file is selected, for fine control over
which of the various inboxes will receive delivery notifications
and which e-mail address will appear to be the deliveree.
Andy Bradford wrote:
>
> Thus said "David L. Nicol" on Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:12:46 CST:
>
> > What about the "notification on delivery" stuff -- is that not
> > an MTA feature? Is it deprecated? Rather it would be a feature
> > of the MDA, has anyone added it to qmail-local?
>
> You mean something like what is covered in "man qreceipt" ? It depends
> on what the user is expecting I guess... If it is
> Disposition-Notification-To then it has nothing to do with the MTA,
> however, if it is Notice-Requested-Upon-Delivery-To then that is
> covered...
>
> Andy
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Hi all,
Apologies if this has been asked but I have searched the archives and several
documents and I have not found an exact answer.
I have a Linux Redhat 6.2 box with a dialup connection to an ISP. I'm currently
using this as a file/print server (using Samba.) for a number of Windows 98
clients. Now I need to setup a mail server.
I've installed qmail, serialmail and ucspi-tc. So far everthing works and I can
send mail from the Linux box to my ISP, and download using fetchmail.
Now I want to use the mail application on the Windows clients to send and read
mail.
I know that I need to set the mail application to point to the Linux box for
sending (using smtp) and reading (using pop3).
I have a feeling I need to use a pop3 daemon, I've just downloaded qpopper to
see what I can do with it but I'm a little confused at the moment.
What I'm not clear on is how do the Window clients users access their own
mailboxes for reading and writing mail ?
Thanks
Phil Hedley
At 05:51 PM 11/21/00 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Apologies if this has been asked but I have searched the archives and several
>documents and I have not found an exact answer.
With such a vage question I doubt you would find any answer at all
Is this a real question?
>(some stuff)
>I know that I need to set the mail application to point to the Linux box for
>sending (using smtp) and reading (using pop3).
>I have a feeling I need to use a pop3 daemon, I've just downloaded qpopper to
>see what I can do with it but I'm a little confused at the moment.
Of course you have to use a pop3 daemon. But qmail comes with one:
/var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d. You just have to put it to listen in the pop
port (110). Use tcpserver or inetd if you must.
For instance (tcpserver):
#/usr/local/bin/tcpserver -P -H -R 0 pop-3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup
/var/qmail/bin/auth_pop /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir &
rtfm anyway
>What I'm not clear on is how do the Window clients users access their own
>mailboxes for reading and writing mail ?
Hmm? Through a mail client of course! Talking with the server. POP: the
last P means protocol :)
They just access it (traditionally $HOME/Maildir/).
Wanna know more read the RFC.
>Thanks
>Phil Hedley
Jose AP Celestino [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Systems Administration
SAPO - PT Multimedia
--------------------------------
Hi,
Thanks to everyone who solved my last qmail problem, it now works great!
But on some POP accounts I get this error in my /var/log/qmail/current -
delivery 5: deferral:
Uh-oh:_.qmail_has_file_delivery_but_has_x_bit_set._(#4.7.0)/
It only happens on some POP accounts. I am using /Maildir/. Any ideas what
the problem is and how I can fix it,
Thanks,
Jon
Do the accounts that are experiencing this problem have a .qmail file in
their home directory? If so, what are the permissions on the file?
Jamin W. Collins
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 8:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Uh-oh:_.qmail_has_file_delivery_but_has_x_bit_set
Hi,
Thanks to everyone who solved my last qmail problem, it now works great!
But on some POP accounts I get this error in my /var/log/qmail/current -
delivery 5: deferral:
Uh-oh:_.qmail_has_file_delivery_but_has_x_bit_set._(#4.7.0)/
It only happens on some POP accounts. I am using /Maildir/. Any ideas what
the problem is and how I can fix it,
Thanks,
Jon
"Jon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Thanks to everyone who solved my last qmail problem, it now works great!
> But on some POP accounts I get this error in my /var/log/qmail/current -
>
> delivery 5: deferral:
> Uh-oh:_.qmail_has_file_delivery_but_has_x_bit_set._(#4.7.0)/
>
> It only happens on some POP accounts. I am using /Maildir/. Any ideas what
> the problem is and how I can fix it,
I would suggest it means exactly what it says. Since you didn't say
you checked whether the error message is right, I assume you didn't.
Hint: go to the mailing lists AFTER you've exhausted the obvious, not
before. You get better responses that way.
-Matt
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Hello,
I have a problem to block spam using rblsmtpd.
My initial tcpserver entry in inetd was:
" tcpserver -u -v 81 -g 80 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd \
2>&1 | /var/qmail/bin/splogger smtpd 3 & "
In order to use rblsmtpd I replaced it by:
" tcpserver -p -v -x/etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -u80 -g81 0 25 \
rblsmtpd qmail-smtpd 2>&1 | setuser qmaill accustamp | \
setuser qmaill cyclog \
-s1000000 -n5 /var/log/qmail/qmail-smtpd"
as mentionned in
http://www.summersault.com/chris/techno/qmail/qmail-antispam.html#basic
But when sending message to :
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
the response is : Uh-oh, your RBL block is not working!
All tests in INSATALL runing without problem.
What is the problem?
It's only a minor annoyance, but is there a particular reason that replies
to list posts go back to the author of the post rather than the list? I
only ask because I know that every other list I subscribe to has it set so
that the reply address is the list not the individual.
Jamin W. Collins
* Jamin Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001121 13:29]:
> It's only a minor annoyance, but is there a particular reason that replies
> to list posts go back to the author of the post rather than the list? I
> only ask because I know that every other list I subscribe to has it set so
> that the reply address is the list not the individual.
It's generally agreed (not by *everyone*, but generally) that this is a good
thing. It prevents the list from blowing away any Reply-To: header you have
set in your mailer, it prevents potentially delicate e-mail from being
accidentally posted to the list, and it allows users to more easily choose
to whom they wish to reply.
See <http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html> for why it's not a good
idea to mess with the Reply-To: header on a mailing list, and
<http://www.metasystema.org/essays/reply-to-useful.mhtml> for a
counter-argument.
BTW, just to curtail any objections, if your mailer cannot reply *just* to
the list without Cc:'ing the other original recipients (like I've done
here), get a new mailer. Yours is broken.
/pg
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Peter Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 21 November 2000 at 13:38:58 -0500
> BTW, just to curtail any objections, if your mailer cannot reply *just* to
> the list without Cc:'ing the other original recipients (like I've done
> here), get a new mailer. Yours is broken.
Are there any? I've certainly never encountered one; I have simply
formed the habit of manually editing out the direct address.
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* David Dyer-Bennet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001121 18:24]:
> Peter Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 21 November 2000 at 13:38:58 -0500
> > BTW, just to curtail any objections, if your mailer cannot reply *just* to
> > the list without Cc:'ing the other original recipients (like I've done
> > here), get a new mailer. Yours is broken.
> Are there any? I've certainly never encountered one; I have simply
> formed the habit of manually editing out the direct address.
mutt. I hit ``L'' to reply to the list only. (Newly added bonus feature:
ignore_list_reply_to. Ignores the Reply-To: header if it was set to point
back to the list. :)
So that means:
r -- reply to Reply-To: or, if lacking, From:
g -- reply to all original recipients
L -- reply only to the list, if one is found in From: or Cc:
/pg
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> I'm an idiot.. At least this [bug] took about 5 minutes to find..
We need to find some new terms to describe the rest of us mere mortals
then.
(Craig Schlenter in response to Linus Torvalds's mailing about a kernel bug.)
Hi,
I have installed qmail by following the steps that Dave Sill provides in his web-site
(http://Web.InfoAve.Net/~dsill/lwq.html). Still, when I try to start qmail I get the
following error message continuously:
-n Starting qmail: svscan
/etc/init.d/qmail: /var/qmail/run/svscan.pid: cannot create
supervise: fatal: unable to acquire qmail-send/supervise/lock: access denied
supervise: fatal: unable to acquire log/supervise/lock: access denied
supervise: fatal: unable to acquire qmail-smtpd/supervise/lock: access denied
supervise: fatal: unable to acquire log/supervise/lock: access denied
Does anyone know how to solve this problem? What is svscan suppose to do? How can I
get the parameters of svscan (read svscan's instructions)?
Thank you.
--
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==========
DevWeb
Joao Costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Does anyone know how to solve this problem? What is svscan suppose
> to do? How can I get the parameters of svscan (read svscan's
> instructions)?
There are a set of man pages for daemontools on qmail.org.
svscan takes one parameter, the service directory.
Are you running as root? Do the directories exist?
-Matt
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> > Does anyone know how to solve this problem? What is svscan suppose
> > to do? How can I get the parameters of svscan (read svscan's
> > instructions)?
>
> There are a set of man pages for daemontools on qmail.org.
>
> svscan takes one parameter, the service directory.
Should the service directory have any file? My service directory has
none.
> Are you running as root? Do the directories exist?
I am running as root and all directories exist.
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==========
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On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 07:13:54PM +0000, Joao Costa wrote:
> > > Does anyone know how to solve this problem? What is svscan suppose
> > > to do? How can I get the parameters of svscan (read svscan's
> > > instructions)?
> >
> > There are a set of man pages for daemontools on qmail.org.
> >
> > svscan takes one parameter, the service directory.
>
> Should the service directory have any file? My service directory has
> none.
svscan runs one supervise for each dir present in the services dir.
And supervise does need the run script. See http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/supervise.html
for instructions
RC
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Joao Costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Should the service directory have any file? My service directory has
>none.
/var/qmail/supervise should have qmail-send and qmail-smtpd
subdirectories.
-Dave
Joao Costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have installed qmail by following the steps that Dave Sill provides
>in his web-site (http://Web.InfoAve.Net/~dsill/lwq.html). Still, when
>I try to start qmail I get the following error message continuously:
>
>-n Starting qmail: svscan
>/etc/init.d/qmail: /var/qmail/run/svscan.pid: cannot create
Hmm. What platform are you running on? The "-n" is an BSD vs. Sys V
thing, and is ugly, but won't prevent the script from working. I don't
know where you got /var/qmail/run/svscan.pid from, though, because the
script in LWQ uses /var/run/svscan.pid. But even that's not enough to
cause the following:
>supervise: fatal: unable to acquire qmail-send/supervise/lock: access denied
>supervise: fatal: unable to acquire log/supervise/lock: access denied
>supervise: fatal: unable to acquire qmail-smtpd/supervise/lock: access denied
>supervise: fatal: unable to acquire log/supervise/lock: access denied
What does the following show:
ls -lR /var/qmail/supervise
ls -ld / /var /var/qmail /var/qmail/supervise
>What is svscan suppose to do?
It monitors the service directory and runs "supervise" on services as
needed.
>How can I get the parameters of svscan
>(read svscan's instructions)?
LWQ has a section on daemontool which contains a link to the on-line
documentation:
http://Web.InfoAve.Net/~dsill/lwq.html#daemontools
-Dave
Am Die, 21 Nov 2000 schrieb Matt Brown:
> Joao Costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Does anyone know how to solve this problem? What is svscan suppose
> > to do? How can I get the parameters of svscan (read svscan's
> > instructions)?
>
> svscan takes one parameter, the service directory.
Does svscan also known as qmail-scanner. I remember head of a nessesary patch.
This patch is buggy and must be manual debugged. Someone of this list have done
this for himself.
Is some version of the corrected version of this patch existing in the net?
Is a version of qmail-scanner existing that includes a install-script that
includes the patching of the file - done by the mentioned patch.
Regards,
Ruprecht
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 12:42:13PM +0530, Kiran wrote:
>
>> The following are the files present in the /var/qmail/control
>> directory and their contents:
>>
>> concurrencyincoming : 20
>Bogus file. concurrencylocal and concurrencyremote are the real files.
>concurrencyincoming is some invention of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, it's an LWQism.
>> defaultdelivery : ./Mailbox
>Bogus file. There is no reference to this in qmail. It's yet another
>invention of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Another LWQism.
Both are clearly identified in LWQ as nonstandard.
-Dave
On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 02:29:23PM -0500, Dave Sill wrote:
> >> concurrencyincoming : 20
> >Bogus file. concurrencylocal and concurrencyremote are the real files.
> >concurrencyincoming is some invention of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> No, it's an LWQism.
>
> >> defaultdelivery : ./Mailbox
> >Bogus file. There is no reference to this in qmail. It's yet another
> >invention of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Another LWQism.
>
> Both are clearly identified in LWQ as nonstandard.
Ug. We'll have to start calling it Frankenmail pretty soon. What with all
the installation variants, run-time control variants and user-friendly
overlay variants... It's getting hard to recognize the original package (and
questions associated with it).
Regards.
Paul Jarc wrote:
> > So when a lot of people download the files, they don't know what the
> > licensing is and have to ask on the list(s)
>
> True, but not relevant to the question of what is legal.
The question is what the author permits the user to do -- this is what a license
is about. Since the author gives no implicit license, we all come down to IANAL
legal battles over what is implied by his other writings. A license would clear
(most of) this up -- that's the issue.
> > He wrote it all -- its all DJB's theories -- they may be right or wrong, but
> > he's not a lawyer so its not even really worth trusting his theories at all.
>
> Have you even read rights.html?
Many times unfortunately.
> When talking about what might be the
> correct interpretation of the law, it says "Some people think ..." and
> "Other people ...". It doesn't say "I think".
He re-iterates specific thoughts in the form of hearsay. The overall picture of
the file is his theory on implied rights of the user of software. Since he does
not quote case law (which would be valid in the USA or Canada at least) or other
legal documents, the majority of that file constitues DJB's theories.
> Are you saying that
> these are simply false statements, and that no one actually holds the
> views that Dan says some do?
That's not necessary for what I said originally, and you know it -- so its not
worth a flame-war, is it?
> Even if so, why does it matter? He says
> "I promise I won't sue you for copyright violation for downloading
> documents from my server."
Like I said -- where's the disclaimer from his employer if he's ever used
university time to write that software?
> Would you be more satisfied with something
> like "I hereby waive my right to sue ..."? It still wouldn't be a
> contract. He could still go back and edit it. You'd still need
> others' copies to support your claim that you got it legally.
In fact, there's no guarantee that any document would form a legally binding
contract as contracts must be accepted by both parties in many (most?) countries
and "click" style licensing has proven not binding in some countries. This is a
point the GPL (just an example) makes by reminding the user that they can either
accept the license as given, or ignore it, but if they choose to ignore it, they
get no rights whatsoever to modification or redistribution.
> There's also no statement that he wrote any of his software on the
> University's time.
More appropriately, there's no statement that he didn't.
> He could publish a statement (by himself, or by
> University officials) that he in fact is the copyright holder, but why
> would you trust such an explicit statement over the implicit one,
> since that statement could be false anyway?
Because then I could show my good faith that the statement was true, which makes a
legal case in my favor -- depending on an assumption considering the lack of such
a statement is strange.
> If I really cared, I'd
> want a signed document from the University. Otherwise, the present
> situation is as good as any other.
The present situation is clearly not as good as a well-written license and
disclaimer.
--
Michael T. Babcock, C.T.O. FibreSpeed
http://www.fibrespeed.net/~mbabcock
Paul Jarc wrote:
> ... I don't see ambiguity in them [dist.html or softwarelaw.html or
> rights.html] ...
Are you not as analytical as those who criticise the situation?
--
Michael T. Babcock, C.T.O. FibreSpeed
http://www.fibrespeed.net/~mbabcock
On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 12:32:02AM -0500, Nathan J. Mehl wrote:
> IANAL, but my feeling is that the documents in question pretty
> unambiguously lead to the conclusion that you'd be SOL in that case,
> and I would further suspect that Dan keeps the only notices about
> qmail's distribution terms in a centralized place to leave himself the
> option of refining the terms were such a case to arise.
>
> As he wrote the code, this is unquestionably his right.
If that is his intent, then it's of questionable merit. I personally don't
believe that it is his intent, but I could be wrong.
> As I peronally could care less about the alleged moral tonic of "Free"
> or "Open Source" software and my needs are satisfied by qmail's
> default configuration, this isn't really an issue for me personally.
> People with personal or business needs for such things should probably
> consider the MTAs which explicitly set such terms, rather than hoping
> that qmail might one day satisfy them. Based on past experience, it's
> not likely to.
I'm not arguing that Dan should change the terms under which he releases his
software, I'm arguing that he should include those terms along with the
software, so that the users of his software know the terms up front, instead
of having to rely on a potentially dynamic web page.
--Adam
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2:52pm up 164 days, 13:08, 10 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Why doesn't someone demonstrate their EZMLM prowess by conjuring up a list
for this thread so that those of us who are uninterested (a majority, I
would guess) don't have to hear about it anymore...
And, before someone gives me the "use a filter if you don't want to read
about it" crap, consider the relevance of this thread to the list as a whole
over your personal needs, please.
Thank You.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 12:58 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: secrets and lies
On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 12:32:02AM -0500, Nathan J. Mehl wrote:
> IANAL, but my feeling is that the documents in question pretty
> unambiguously lead to the conclusion that you'd be SOL in that case,
> and I would further suspect that Dan keeps the only notices about
> qmail's distribution terms in a centralized place to leave himself the
> option of refining the terms were such a case to arise.
>
> As he wrote the code, this is unquestionably his right.
If that is his intent, then it's of questionable merit. I personally don't
believe that it is his intent, but I could be wrong.
> As I peronally could care less about the alleged moral tonic of "Free"
> or "Open Source" software and my needs are satisfied by qmail's
> default configuration, this isn't really an issue for me personally.
> People with personal or business needs for such things should probably
> consider the MTAs which explicitly set such terms, rather than hoping
> that qmail might one day satisfy them. Based on past experience, it's
> not likely to.
I'm not arguing that Dan should change the terms under which he releases his
software, I'm arguing that he should include those terms along with the
software, so that the users of his software know the terms up front, instead
of having to rely on a potentially dynamic web page.
--Adam
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http://flounder.net/publickey.html | technology's just a bunch of wires
GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA | connected to a bunch of other
wires."
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"Michael T. Babcock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Since the author gives no implicit license, we all come down to
> IANAL legal battles over what is implied by his other writings. A
> license would clear (most of) this up -- that's the issue.
A license has the potential to be just as ill-worded, confusing, or
extremely technical as anything else. A clearly worded, easily
supportable legal document would be good, regardless of whether it
were a license.
> > When talking about what might be the correct interpretation of the
> > law, it says "Some people think ..." and "Other people ...". It
> > doesn't say "I think".
>
> He re-iterates specific thoughts in the form of hearsay. The
> overall picture of the file is his theory on implied rights of the
> user of software. Since he does not quote case law (which would be
> valid in the USA or Canada at least) or other legal documents, the
> majority of that file constitues DJB's theories.
Now I understand this, but summing it up as just "Dan's theories" is
misleading. (I, for one, was misled.) He's describing others'
theories. His descriptions may or may not be accurate, but the
theories themselves are not Dan's. The descriptions are his, and you
might call them theories too, but that's how you got me confused.
> > Are you saying that these are simply false statements, and that no
> > one actually holds the views that Dan says some do?
>
> That's not necessary for what I said originally, and you know it
I didn't know that, because I misunderstood you.
> -- so its not worth a flame-war, is it?
No, so it's a good thing we haven't started one.
> In fact, there's no guarantee that any document would form a legally
> binding contract as contracts must be accepted by both parties in
> many (most?) countries and "click" style licensing has proven not
> binding in some countries.
Right. So a non-contractual license wouldn't necessarily be better
than a non-contractual, non-license legal statement.
> This is a point the GPL (just an example) makes by reminding the
> user that they can either accept the license as given, or ignore it,
> but if they choose to ignore it, they get no rights whatsoever to
> modification or redistribution.
Yes, although that statement is incorrect WRT modification, AFAICT.
> > If I really cared, I'd want a signed document from the University.
> > Otherwise, the present situation is as good as any other.
>
> The present situation is clearly not as good as a well-written license and
> disclaimer.
The present documents are as good as a license *for some purposes*.
For other purposes, such as packaging, we'd want irrevocable
permission to redistribute. But this permission need not take the
form of a license, and a license need not grant that permission. The
ideas are compatible, and often come together, but they're orthogonal.
I'll agree that a disclaimer might be beneficial in either case for
good-faith purposes; I don't know enough to support or refute that.
paul
"Michael T. Babcock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Paul Jarc wrote:
> > ... I don't see ambiguity in them [dist.html or softwarelaw.html or
> > rights.html] ...
>
> Are you not as analytical as those who criticise the situation?
Not that I'm aware of. As I said, I think it's just that when
information is not given, it's called "ambiguity" by some, and not by
others (such as me).
paul
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 10:34:23AM -0500, Michael T. Babcock wrote:
> He wrote it all -- its all DJB's theories -- they may be right or
> wrong, but he's not a lawyer so its not even really worth trusting his
> theories at all.
Except that
[1] he's the author, which means he owns all copy rights.
So, his expressed intent has some legal significance in this context.
[2] he provides very specific legal references, including a hyperlink
to the text of the relevant law.
So, those references are worth trusting.
On the other hand: you're not the author of the software, you've not
provided any legal references, and you're not a lawyer. [The same
applies to me.]
--
Raul
Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 10:34:23AM -0500, Michael T. Babcock wrote:
> > He wrote it all -- its all DJB's theories -- they may be right or
> > wrong, but he's not a lawyer so its not even really worth trusting his
> > theories at all.
>
> Except that
...
> [2] he provides very specific legal references, including a hyperlink
> to the text of the relevant law.
That's true of softwarelaw.html, but this bit of the thread was about
rights.html, which includes no such references.
paul
Paul Jarc wrote:
> "Michael T. Babcock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Since the author gives no implicit license, we all come down to
> > IANAL legal battles over what is implied by his other writings. A
> > license would clear (most of) this up -- that's the issue.
>
> A license has the potential to be just as ill-worded, confusing, or
> extremely technical as anything else. A clearly worded, easily
> supportable legal document would be good, regardless of whether it
> were a license.
As DJB has said ... 'so?' How does that make this argument any different?
Nobody asked for a poorly worded license ... ;-)
> Right. So a non-contractual license wouldn't necessarily be better
> than a non-contractual, non-license legal statement.
Yes, it would be -- because (as I understand it) you have the right to waive
your rights -- such as by putting something into the public domain (as Dan has
done with libtai). A license gives rights to others -- Dan's current documents
talk about the rights he thinks you have under the law as it is.
> The present documents are as good as a license *for some purposes*.
> For other purposes, such as packaging, we'd want irrevocable
> permission to redistribute. But this permission need not take the
> form of a license, and a license need not grant that permission. The
> ideas are compatible, and often come together, but they're orthogonal.
> I'll agree that a disclaimer might be beneficial in either case for
> good-faith purposes; I don't know enough to support or refute that.
--
Michael T. Babcock, C.T.O. FibreSpeed
http://www.fibrespeed.net/~mbabcock
> > Right. So a non-contractual license wouldn't necessarily be better
> > than a non-contractual, non-license legal statement.
>
> Yes, it would be -- because (as I understand it) you have the right to waive
> your rights -- such as by putting something into the public domain (as Dan has
> done with libtai). A license gives rights to others -- Dan's current documents
> talk about the rights he thinks you have under the law as it is.
And has he consulted a lawyer?
--
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ICQ: 9299103 ++ (Mr B.) ++
Geek code will never +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
be available... :-) [Today's mode: PSB (Power Saving Brain)]
On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 05:16:17PM -0500, Paul Jarc wrote:
> That's true of softwarelaw.html, but this bit of the thread was about
> rights.html, which includes no such references.
rights.html doesn't say anything about the licensing of djbdns.
Instead, it poses the question: do you have the legal right to use the
web, in the absence of explicit copyright notices on every document
element you encounter?
It's an interesting question, but I don't see that the discussion in
this thread really relates to that issue.
--
Raul
I should add:
The amusing thing about http://cr.yp.to/rights.html is that it doesn't
include a license which allows you to copy it. So, if you don't have
the right to copy unlicensed documents which appear on the web, you
don't have the right to read that page.
Even more amusing is the idea of reading a license to determine if you're
legally allowed to visit a web page.
--
Raul
> A license has the potential to be just as ill-worded, confusing, or
> extremely technical as anything else. A clearly worded, easily
> supportable legal document would be good, regardless of whether it
> were a license.
Here is a question: Does anyone know if the GPL and/or BSD license has ever
been challenged in court? What were the results?
The reason I ask this is until there is case law that supports what is put
forth in these style of agreements then someone may not want to release
their software into that realm.
-
"One of the best examples of pure democracy in action is the lynch mob"
- AA4YU
Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 05:16:17PM -0500, Paul Jarc wrote:
> > That's true of softwarelaw.html, but this bit of the thread was about
> > rights.html, which includes no such references.
>
> rights.html doesn't say anything about the licensing of djbdns.
I know. Neither does anything else on cr.yp.to; djbdns isn't licensed
at all.
> Instead, it poses the question: do you have the legal right to use the
> web, in the absence of explicit copyright notices on every document
> element you encounter?
>
> It's an interesting question, but I don't see that the discussion in
> this thread really relates to that issue.
It came up in message 5952. This branch of the thread is descended
from there. dns-get. messages 5952, 5959, 5971, 5996, and 5997 if you
want to review.
paul
"Al" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Here is a question: Does anyone know if the GPL and/or BSD license has ever
> been challenged in court? What were the results?
The GPL hasn't - so its meaning really isn't known yet - but the BSD
license has. I don't remember the case, but people are still using
the BSD license, which is a good sign that it means pretty much what
it seems to mean.
> The reason I ask this is until there is case law that supports what is put
> forth in these style of agreements then someone may not want to release
> their software into that realm.
Yes, and I think some do shy away from the GPL for that reason. But
Dan wants to prevent forking, which is incompatible with Free
licenses.
paul
"Michael T. Babcock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Paul Jarc wrote:
> > A license has the potential to be just as ill-worded, confusing, or
> > extremely technical as anything else. A clearly worded, easily
> > supportable legal document would be good, regardless of whether it
> > were a license.
>
> As DJB has said ... 'so?'
So if you want a clear, legally binding statement of your rights, ask
for a clear, legally binding statement of your rights, not a license.
A license will satisfy a request for a license, but need not satisfy
those making the request if they actually wanted something else.
> > Right. So a non-contractual license wouldn't necessarily be better
> > than a non-contractual, non-license legal statement.
>
> Yes, it would be -- because (as I understand it) you have the right
> to waive your rights -- such as by putting something into the public
> domain (as Dan has done with libtai).
Yes, and that's an example of a non-contractual, non-license legal
statement that gives you clear rights, and so isn't any worse than a
license.
paul
>
> Even more amusing is the idea of reading a license to
> determine if you're legally allowed to visit a web page.
Not a lawyer but when you put something onto a web page you have conformed
to a well known pattern that would expect an action to take place. For
example if I put a stack of leaflets on the counter of a local store that
said "Rumage sale next Week" and gave an address of where to go I do not
think that you would have much luck charging someone who took a leaflet with
stealing. Even though the leaflet does not say "take one".
Another thing that might make a difference would be some of the rulings that
came about when Sony was sued for the personal video recorder. What rights
do you have to record a broadcast program? Is the Internet (or part of the
Internet's functionality) a defacto agreement to allow the copying of
certain files (i.e. index.html /pub etc)?
-
"One of the best examples of pure democracy in action is the lynch mob"
- AA4YU
> Yes, and I think some do shy away from the GPL for that reason. But
> Dan wants to prevent forking, which is incompatible with Free
> licenses.
>
Two things come to mind the first is the Artistic under which Perl is
released and the second is the Apache license. The result would be
something like "if you want to make changes you cannot call it qmail". These
may not be some peoples favorite tools but they come to mind.
-
"One of the best examples of pure democracy in action is the lynch mob"
- AA4YU
Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Two things come to mind the first is the Artistic under which Perl is
> released
The Artistic License was explicitly designed to be part of a
dual-licensing arrangement. It's not strong enough to stand on its own;
the language hasn't been hammered out nearly well enough.
--
Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
Let's say I have an alias users, which would be [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is
just a text list of local users
I want to keep a log of everything sent to that address seperately, and
verifacation from qmail-send that it sent to every user in that text file...
is this possible?
Thanks,
Barry Smoke
I guess I'm looking for the best of both worlds here. Does anyone know of a
an IMAP implimentation that supports the qmail Maildir format?
Jamin W. Collins
* Jamin Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001121 15:48]:
> I guess I'm looking for the best of both worlds here. Does anyone know of a
> an IMAP implimentation that supports the qmail Maildir format?
Did you even check the qmail page? <http://www.qmail.org/> There are a
couple of them on there; search for ``IMAP''.
/pg
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The primary use for Linux really is compiling the Linux kernel.
Everything else is gravy.
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Courier-IMAP is working well with Maildir for me...
http://www.inter7.com
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<icq5899299>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamin Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 12:45 PM
Subject: IMAP and Maildir
> I guess I'm looking for the best of both worlds here. Does anyone know of
a
> an IMAP implimentation that supports the qmail Maildir format?
>
> Jamin W. Collins
>
On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 01:01:55PM -0800, Nicholas Leonovich wrote:
> Courier-IMAP is working well with Maildir for me...
> http://www.inter7.com
Does it play nice with Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express? The last
time I checked this package, there was a statement to the effect that
it didn't.
Alternatively, can anyone point me at some useful instructions for
getting UW-IMAP running with Maildir, since (in its default
configuration), it (mostly) works with Outlook...
Cheers,
Roger.
I think there's a simple solution, but I can't find it :)
Anyone could tell me how I configure qmail to deliver to any host in the
world?
I'm listing in the control/rcpthosts file, but always is missing some
host or domain...
Thanks,
Ederson
Ederson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think there's a simple solution, but I can't find it :)
> Anyone could tell me how I configure qmail to deliver to any host in the
> world?
> I'm listing in the control/rcpthosts file, but always is missing some
> host or domain...
Don't put everything in the world in rcpthosts. You want to enable
selective relaying for your local IP addresses -- see Life with qmail on this
topic, or use a POP-before-SMTP solution like Bruce Guenter's relay-ctrl
(see www.qmail.org).
Charles
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Hello all,
I'm puzzled by this error, it looks like my syntax is correct and qmail
sends mail just fine. I have a proper hostname etc.
I'm trying to deliver to a host called listserv.investorlinks.com. I have an
mx record for the domain that points to a different host,
I'm just trying to delivery mail directly to this host. I just changed the
reverse DNS from q.investorlinks.com to listserv.investorlinks.com, any
ideas? Here is the error: I'm thinking somehow qmail-local is being called
incorrectly, but I can't be sure. I've set up Mailbox as a link to mbox...
-Collin
Hi. This is the qmail-send program at listserv.investorlinks.com.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
qmail-local: usage: qmail-local [ -nN ] user homedir local dash ext domain
sender aliasempty
--- Below this line is a copy of the message.
Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Received: (qmail 26207 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2000 20:57:16 -0000
Received: from prodigalson.macrosys.com (HELO karma.Macrosys.com)
(12.5.50.194)
by listserv.investorlinks.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2000 20:57:16 -0000
Received: by karma.Macrosys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21)
id <XDNHHH0P>; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:52:12 -0500
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Collin B. McClendon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: testing again
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:52:12 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21)
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 03:54:26PM -0500, Collin B. McClendon wrote:
> Hello all,
> I'm puzzled by this error, it looks like my syntax is correct and qmail
> sends mail just fine. I have a proper hostname etc.
> I'm trying to deliver to a host called listserv.investorlinks.com. I have an
> mx record for the domain that points to a different host,
> I'm just trying to delivery mail directly to this host. I just changed the
> reverse DNS from q.investorlinks.com to listserv.investorlinks.com, any
> ideas? Here is the error: I'm thinking somehow qmail-local is being called
> incorrectly, but I can't be sure. I've set up Mailbox as a link to mbox...
> -Collin
>
>
> Hi. This is the qmail-send program at listserv.investorlinks.com.
> I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
> This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> qmail-local: usage: qmail-local [ -nN ] user homedir local dash ext domain
> sender aliasempty
Qmail doesn't deliver to root. Perhaps you're missing a
~alias/.qmail-root file that forwards root's mail to somewhere useful,
like the system administrator (which might be you!).
These days there are too many setups to shake a stick at, but the alias
user's home directory is usually /var/qmail/alias. Read the
INSTALL.alias file in the qmail source distribution for more details.
-thl
A year and a half ago I built a Linux/qmail server to replace an aging
Windows NT 3.51/Microsoft Mail system. This system has been working
flawlessly since its inception. However, after a while management wanted
to
have a web site, so I installed Apache. Then they wanted Internet access
for
their employees so I installed Squid. I was even forced to install Samba
when the original mail storage server died on us. Needless to say, I am
now
looking into separating a couple of things.
Qmail will be the first preverbial victim. The now a year and a half old
'ye
standard qmail build' will have to replaced by something more enhanced.
Among things, it should:
(1) check if a FQDN exists for the sender's IP (if not: no go);
(2) allow POP3 access via SSL only;
(3) extract any mail attachment and check it for various things;
(viruses, unallowed extensions, etc.)
(4) support delivery to same users at different domains;
(5) allow only a more rigid form of authentication;
(e.g. POP-before-SMTP)
For (2) I guess any standard SSL wrapper will do and virtualdomains should
take care of (4) after some trial and error. I have no idea about (1) and
(5) though. Regarding (3) I've seen qmail-scanner mentioned several times.
I've downloaded the Life with Qmail page and will be devouring it shortly.
Are there any patches that I should really consider? Any other things or
specifics that I might be missing? Pitfalls I should really look out for?
--
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On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 11:25:36PM +0100, Johan Van Gompel wrote:
>A year and a half ago I built a Linux/qmail server to replace an aging
>Windows NT 3.51/Microsoft Mail system. This system has been working
Excellent. We've had a number of clients asking us to help them migrate
from NT to Linux, and they've been happy with the results. If NT works
for you, great. If not, there's a nice alternative you should look at.
Spend the NT licensing money on a nice Athlon 1GHz upgrade. ;-)
>(2) allow POP3 access via SSL only;
sslwrap works well for that.
>(3) extract any mail attachment and check it for various things;
> (viruses, unallowed extensions, etc.)
Amavis (with some studly caps thing). Check freshmeat.net...
>(4) support delivery to same users at different domains;
? [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] are different users?
http://www.inter7.com/vpopmail/ works well for this. Also
doesn't require system accounts for virtual domain users.
>(5) allow only a more rigid form of authentication;
> (e.g. POP-before-SMTP)
http://www.em.ca/~bruceg/relay-ctrl/
Very easy install if you use the qmail+patches RPMs from the same site.
Sean
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tummy.com - Linux Consulting since 1995. Qmail, KRUD, Firewalls, Python
On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 11:25:36PM +0100, Johan Van Gompel wrote:
> Qmail will be the first preverbial victim. The now a year and a half old
> 'ye
> standard qmail build' will have to replaced by something more enhanced.
Why? Is it broken?
> (1) check if a FQDN exists for the sender's IP (if not: no go);
Are you talking about doing a lookup on the sender domain name? Not
much point to doing that since the vast majority of spam uses legitimate
but faked sender addresses.
> (2) allow POP3 access via SSL only;
Use a SSL wrapper.
> (3) extract any mail attachment and check it for various things;
> (viruses, unallowed extensions, etc.)
We use a fairly simple scanner that rejects anything with an attachment
that would be executable by Windoze -- exe, VBScript, etc. It's worked
great for us. There are some tools for doing this at
http://em.ca/~bruceg/qmail-qfilter/
> (4) support delivery to same users at different domains;
<plug> http://www.vmailmgr.org/ </plug>
> (5) allow only a more rigid form of authentication;
> (e.g. POP-before-SMTP)
<plug> http://em.ca/~bruceg/relay-ctrl/ </plug>
> Are there any patches that I should really consider?
Depends what your target environment is. If you aren't handling
hundreds of thousands of messages a day, most if not all of the "big"
patches are irrelevant (big-todo, big-concurrency). If you're running
on Linux, you'll want to link against a library that provides
synchronous directory operations (like http://em.ca/~bruceg/syncdir/) or
else you lose reliability. Everything else should wait until you know
you need it.
--
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Well, it seems the answer to my last question has raised yet another.
Has anyone on the list used Courier as a complete mail server? If so, how
does it compare to qmail?
I started looking at qmail because of the security flaws that other's have
reported in sendmail. However, now that I'm looking more into qmail, the
lack of static licensing concerns me. I may be wrong, but from the looks of
it, Courier does most of what qmail does, and provides a more standard
license with the software.
I'm not trying to start a flame war here, just looking for advice from other
more experience Mail Server Admins.
Jamin W. Collins
On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 04:39:21PM -0600, Jamin Collins wrote:
> Has anyone on the list used Courier as a complete mail server? If so,
> how does it compare to qmail?
>
> I started looking at qmail because of the security flaws that other's
> have reported in sendmail. However, now that I'm looking more into
> qmail, the lack of static licensing concerns me. I may be wrong, but
> from the looks of it, Courier does most of what qmail does, and
> provides a more standard license with the software.
Mr. Sam's code seems to be pretty solid. We're using Courier-IMAP
together w/ qmail and vpopmail. However, I would be a little
uncomfortable using it in a production environment until it has obtained
a little maturity. There are still bugs being found and squashed fairly
regularly...
qmail, on the other hand, is as rock-solid MTA.
Just my personal opinion. I don't know enough C to truly evaluate the
code on either one.
Ben
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On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 04:39:21PM -0600, Jamin Collins wrote:
>Has anyone on the list used Courier as a complete mail server? If so, how
>does it compare to qmail?
I spent about 5 hours evaluating it, and couldn't get it to act as a simple
mail server. This was a few months ago, so I'm sure the status has changed,
but I don't think that Courier is quite as stable as QMail... Test it and
find out if it works for your needs.
I was kind of put off by the rejection of my message to the Courier mailing
list. I detailed what all I had done and what the failure was. I wasn't
interested in subscribing, sending the message, then unsubscribing. Whatever.
Sean
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On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 01:10:06AM +0900, Gan wrote:
>I want to separate my mail server into 2 machines , (simple relaying but
>too many users) , How can I do that? Should i use controls/smtproutes file ?
Well, you could set up one box which had smtproutes set up with
":<ip of second box>", but you would still have to run qmail-smtp on
the second box. Perhaps you should look at QMQP to deliver the messages
to the second box (it's meant to be lighter weight). It's still going to
be injecting the messages into different queues on the different machines.
Sean
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Hi,
We're trying to send emails to a site with 2 MX records. The lower MX server
responds with
"421: Server Temporary unavailable" and then closes connections, while the
higher MX server
is okay receiving. We see that there are many emails queuing up in our qmail
server and
it seems that qmail is not using the server that's working. Is the only way
to force it is to
setup control/smtproutes to use the higher MX one?
Thanks,
Kai
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On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 02:56:42PM +0100, Ruprecht Helms wrote:
>how can I configure qmail to forward mails for all users of
>a domain?
Depends on how you want to do it. If you simply want to forward the
messages on intact to the same rcpt name at another host (not domain),
remove the domain from the "locals" file, leave in in "rcpthosts",
and add ":<destination host>" to "smtphosts". HUP qmail-send and you
should be in business.
If you want all mail for that domain to go to forward to a single remote
name, put "&[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in the .qmail-default file for that virtual
domain.
If you want mail for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED], use
the forward trick mentioned in the other reply.
Sean
--
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Sean Reifschneider, Inimitably Superfluous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
tummy.com - Linux Consulting since 1995. Qmail, KRUD, Firewalls, Python
On Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 06:04:31PM -0600, Ben Beuchler wrote:
>I am primarily concerned about files like 'rcpthosts'. They are read on
>every invocation of qmail-smtpd. Am I going to be looking at
>significant overhead from reading a file like that over NFS?
Not if you turn the NFS caching options up high enough...
I tried to set up /var/qmail/control on an NFS partition at some point,
and it was failing. Or was that /etc/tcpcontrol for the CDBs? I forget
now... It was very unhappy though, wouldn't run at all.
Sean
--
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Like horses, real programs tend to throw you. -- John Shipman, 1997
Sean Reifschneider, Inimitably Superfluous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 05:10:06PM -0700, Sean Reifschneider wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 06:04:31PM -0600, Ben Beuchler wrote:
> >I am primarily concerned about files like 'rcpthosts'. They are read on
> >every invocation of qmail-smtpd. Am I going to be looking at
> >significant overhead from reading a file like that over NFS?
>
> Not if you turn the NFS caching options up high enough...
>
> I tried to set up /var/qmail/control on an NFS partition at some point,
> and it was failing. Or was that /etc/tcpcontrol for the CDBs? I forget
> now... It was very unhappy though, wouldn't run at all.
>
> Sean
I think I'll leave 'em on local disks and just rsync 'em up...
Sounds like the smart way to go.
Ben
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I have an qmail server setup and running, but am having difficulty getting
it to selectively relay.
I have a server setup so that it is using virtualdomains. The users of the
mail system connect to it from the Internet to send and receive email.
Therefore I need it to allow people to send messages from a local user to a
remote user. It seems to be allowing all email to pass through.
I conducted the following test: The test user is obviously not a valid
local user and the nms2001.com is not my qmail server and therefore not in
the virtualdomains file. How can I prevent it from accepting these messages
but allow my Internet connected local users to use the system without it
being insecure like this.
@400000003a1b0df124a9df34 new msg 4182335
@400000003a1b0df124b03c1c info msg 4182335: bytes 221 from
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
qp 756 uid 1003
@400000003a1b0df1296d81c4 starting delivery 1: msg 4182335 to remote
ewalters@nm
s2001.com
@400000003a1b0df12973791c status: local 0/10 remote 1/20
@400000003a1b0df21194b98c delivery 1: success:
209.184.27.2_accepted_message./Re
mote_host_said:_250_Message_Accepted_for_Delivery./
@400000003a1b0df211c47064 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20
@400000003a1b0df211d1a34c end msg 4182335
On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 07:24:43PM +0800, Luke Chiam wrote:
> ptmp = pstr;
> sentlen = 0;
> leftover = slen;
> do {
> sentlen = send ( sockfd, ptmp, slen-sentlen, 0 );
> ptmp += sentlen;
> } while ( ptmp < ( pstr + slen ) );
Is pstr supposed to be the data you are sending? Does that data include
the SMTP (EHLO, MAIL, RCPT, DATA, and .) lines? If not, your code
above should negotiate that.
Sean
--
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it. And your poetry will now be written with blood. -- _Dead_Man_
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tummy.com - Linux Consulting since 1995. Qmail, KRUD, Firewalls, Python
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I encountered a difficulty in configuring maildrop with
qmail and sqwebmail. I have a few virtual users whose maildir directories are
/home/vpopmail/virtualdomains/virtualusers/Maildir.I put a line "
qmail-start ' |preline /usr/local/bin/maildrop ' " in /var/qmail/rc file. And I
put a line " |preline /usr/local/bin/maildrop" in
/home/vpopmail/virtualdomains/virtualusers/.qmail
but, I found my mail
couldn't be filtered. Then , I checked the maillog, found some lines like
these:
Nov 22 02:09:31 mail2 maildrop[8781]: Invalid home directory
permissions - world.writtable
Nov 22 02:09:31 mail2 qmail: 974830171.022626
delivery 368: deferral: /usr/loca/bin/maildrop
Would you like to tell me something about mail
filter with qmail?
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We actually *insist* that our dialup providers either block port
25 or let us do the DNS/radius filterting so we can do it ourselves.
Like was mentioned below, *we* didn't want people creating
account after account and abusing other services. We trust
our antispam methods more than we trust the endless supply
of open relays out there.
--
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mail Architect, NetZero, Inc.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: -dsr- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 8:01 PM
> To: Amitai Schlair
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: SMTP on a port other than 25
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 10:36:50PM -0500, Amitai Schlair wrote:
> > on 11/19/00 4:23 PM, Phil Barnett at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > Several of my pop before smtp users have found that their
> providers
> > > are blocking outbound traffic destined for port 25.
> >
> > I'm having the same problem, so far with EarthLink. Have
> you encountered any
> > other ISPs that do this? If there isn't already a list
> somewhere, please
> > send your villains to me, and I'll compile and post the results.
>
> They aren't really villains, per se.
>
> Imagine that you are an ISP. You've grown large enough to
> want to expand
> outside your original area of operations; you aren't rich
> enough to place
> physical dialup POPs all over the country/continent/world.
> What do you do?
>
> You contract with one of the big players to provide modem service for
> your customers. AT&T, UUnet, Genuity all sell dialup service
> in bulk to
> smaller ISPs - who then provide the customer service, the servers, the
> tech support and marketing and so on.
>
> In fact, this is reasonably cost-effective for large ISPs
> too: AOL does
> it, NetZero does it. And what do we know about where spam
> comes from? Spam
> comes from sources where there is no trust between the ISP
> and the customer,
> so that the miscreant can create a thousand throw-away
> accounts and lose
> them at will. abuse@whereever takes a beating. Pretty soon, ISPs close
> down relaying for anyone who is not a customer. Shortly
> thereafter, spammers
> start sending SMTP directly from dial-up smarthosts.
>
> Now the ISP is off the hook: the spam no longer contains any
> particular
> links to them. (Well, it doesn't have to, anyway.) But the
> giant dialup
> provider has supplied the IP address for the spammer, and
> pretty soon the
> calls start rolling in to abuse@dialup.
>
> To prevent this, the dialup providers now put in a new
> element to their
> contracts with the local ISPs: port 25 will be restricted on
> each connection
> to only talk to the local ISP's mailserver and backup MX.
>
> ...and that's where we are in the cycle now. The onus for
> removing spammers
> is back in the hands of the ISPs who sign them up as
> customers, but as a
> result, honest folk get restrictions on what they can do with
> their mail.
>
> -dsr-
>
is there a searchable archive of this list?
thanks,
pearse
* Robert Eric Pearse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001121 21:56]:
> is there a searchable archive of this list?
<http://www-archive.ornl.gov:8000/>
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Hi all...
A question regarding Virtual "email" Domains and Qmail.
If we have a few (2 to 5) virtual domains with approximately 10 to 20
users in each, will qmail handle it securely and robustly ?
Is Qmail's handling of Virtual Domains with users email as solid as
it's regular handling of email as per it's primary domain ?
Cheers
Dennis
Dennis Kavadas
Network Support Officer
University of New South Wales
Cornea Contact Lens Research Unit
Level 4, Gate 14 Barker Street
Kensington NSW 2052
Ph: (02) 9385 7448
Dennis Kavadas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 22 November 2000 at
14:58:15 GMT
> Hi all...
>
> A question regarding Virtual "email" Domains and Qmail.
>
> If we have a few (2 to 5) virtual domains with approximately 10 to 20
> users in each, will qmail handle it securely and robustly ?
>
> Is Qmail's handling of Virtual Domains with users email as solid as
> it's regular handling of email as per it's primary domain ?
Yes; that's the environment I've been running it in for several years
now. Couple of dozen small virtual domains, mostly personal or
non-profit organizations. Qmail has been rock-solid, and virtual
works as well as local.
--
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Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/
Hey all...
Can Qmail support both POP3 and Maildir simultaneously ?
I'd like people to have the option.
If so, what do you guys suggest using ?
Cheers
Dennis
Dennis Kavadas
Network Support Officer
University of New South Wales
Cornea Contact Lens Research Unit
Level 4, Gate 14 Barker Street
Kensington NSW 2052
Ph: (02) 9385 7448
On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 03:38:14PM +0000, Dennis Kavadas wrote:
> Hey all...
>
> Can Qmail support both POP3 and Maildir simultaneously ?
Yes.
> I'd like people to have the option.
> If so, what do you guys suggest using ?
qmail-pop3d :)
Greetz, Peter
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G'day all,
I would like to send a message to all my users (yes I suppose it is
bulk email but IT IS FOR LOCAL USERS ONLY, NOT SPAM - sorry for
shouting).
The main difference is that I do not want them to be able to
reply-to-all. I had used a mailing list but someone did a reply-to-all
and caused all sorts of trouble.
So does anyone have any ideas on this?
TIA, Dave.
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Thus said David Ryan on Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:13:43 +1100:
> The main difference is that I do not want them to be able to
> reply-to-all. I had used a mailing list but someone did a reply-to-all
> and caused all sorts of trouble.
Use ezmlm to setup a mailing list and then make the list moderated so
only you can post to the list. Then, even if they do a reply-to-all it
will only be approved by you (or bounced back if you don't want to
accept any posts). You could probably concoct your own solution using
.qmail files, however, I think ezmlm would be easier. :-)
Andy
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On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 10:50:03PM -0700, Andy Bradford wrote:
> Thus said David Ryan on Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:13:43 +1100:
>
> > The main difference is that I do not want them to be able to
> > reply-to-all. I had used a mailing list but someone did a reply-to-all
> > and caused all sorts of trouble.
>
> Use ezmlm to setup a mailing list and then make the list moderated so
> only you can post to the list. Then, even if they do a reply-to-all it
> will only be approved by you (or bounced back if you don't want to
> accept any posts). You could probably concoct your own solution using
> .qmail files, however, I think ezmlm would be easier. :-)
Or borrow a page from the vpopbull program (included as part of
vpopmail) and devise a script that hardlinks copies of the message into
each users Maildir. You *are* using Maildirs, right?
Ben
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Bitstream Underground www.bitstream.net
hi,
does anyone know how to set ezmlm up for a particular mailing list so only
people subscribed can send to it?
(and then a way for me to close off the mailing list so no one can
subscribe, leaving new additions to be done by me from the command line of
the mail server?)
Regards,
Marc-Adrian Napoli
Network Admin
Connect Infobahn Australia
+61 2 9212 0387
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Dear list,
Using most recent versions of qmail and vpopmail
on a RH6.0 thingy
I have a customer "hutch" on a virtual
domain who wants to be able to easily mail news on specials to his previous
customers. So I thought I would create a new address [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put a .qmail
that contained all his customers mail addies in
/home/vpopmail/domains/hisdomain/specials . But I want that only hutch should be
able to mail to this list.
hutch dials up dynamically
on another ISP. How can I do this? Apologies if this is the wrong list for
this.
Thanks,
Tim
|
I'm struggling to understand something in the dot-qmail files. If I want
to run something, and use the error code to determine if the mail should
be delivered, how do I do that?
At the moment, I have a .qmail-test file that contains a call to an RBL
lookup utilityi that returns 100 if it's a blocked IP, and 0 otherwise. It
reads:
|ck4spam
&nospam
The problem is that the mail disappears into the bitbucket regardless of
the errorlevel returned.
What I'd like it to do is run the script, then deliver normally if the
script doesn't return an error. How do I do that?
--
Todd A. Jacobs
Senior Network Consultant
Hi everyone!
I'm running Exchange Server 5.5 Service Pack 3 and QMail 1.03. Exchange's Internet
Mail Connector sends all outgoing mail through qmail which is configured to accept
relaying from Exchange. All outgoing messages bounce back from qmail with the error
message below (addresses in the error message have been changed). As you can see, two
" characters have appeared at the end of the recipient's address.
If I use the same QMail server as SMTP server of my mail client, everything works just
great. I can also send mail from the QMail server itself. Exchange, on the other hand,
can relay messages through Sendmail without any problems.
Any idea what could be wrong?
- Jari
-------------------- begin error-message --------------------
Hi. This is the qmail-send program at qmail.mydomain.com.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]"">:
Sorry, I couldn't find any host named domain.com"". (#5.1.2)
--- Below this line is a copy of the message.
Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Received: (qmail 2111 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2000 00:26:04
-0000
Received: from unknown (HELO exchange.mydomain.com) (unknown)
by unknown with SMTP; 22 Nov 2000 00:26:04 -0000
Received: by exchange.mydomain.com with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2650.21)
id <XL3MR7YB>; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:25:36 +0200
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: Administrator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Hello!
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:25:35 +0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21)
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Hello there!
-------------------- end error-message --------------------
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