I want to second what was said here. The manuals are often inadequate for
newbies. I never would have gotten qmail set up without the patient and
generous help of those on this list. Thanks to everyone who helped me! I'm
sure glad I wasn't raked over the coals like some of the recent posters.
To Mr. Brauer, who seems on a quest to post nothing but flames here, we
realize that no one is paid staff here. But you flaming everyone who posts
doesn't help a thing. No one is getting paid to sift through your angry
posts, either. If you don't have something helpful to say, don't say a damn
thing. Even if the original poster WAS wasting list bandwidth, you only
waste more telling him not to, and then we all waste bandwidth on threads
like this. It has been a real bummer to watch you trashing on newbies, as I
am sure you will trash on me for this. Remember that these people you insult
are probably a LOT better at some stuff than you are, and don't need to be
treated like imbeciles because they don't know about qmail. Typical angry
geek syndrome. No one is smart unless they know what you know. I'll remember
to flame the hell out of you if you ever post questions in my fields of
expertise on other newsgroups.
Gregg
> I may be out of line here. However, this is not the first time I've seen
> snappy rude responses from people in response to others asking for help.
I
> am simply quoting this message as it is the most recent.
>
> Sure, some of the postings for help may not contain all the information
that
> a more experienced person would have. But to respond to them with a
> statement to the effect of "send all necessary information" is crazy.
There
> is a certain level of experience necessary to know what may or may not be
> needed to diagnose a problem. As many of the people posting without this
> level of information are new to either Linux or qmail (or both) there
needs
> to be some understanding on everyone's behalf. And telling someone to
RTFM
> is normally of little to no help. I've been told several times to RTFM
> without any indication as to which manual. This is of little to no help
to
> anyone.
>
> As for qmail, I will be the first to tell you that LWQ and the
installation
> instructions with qmail itself are for the most part highly inadequate. I
> tried setting qmail up just from the instructions included with the source
> twice, with no luck. Additionally, I tried LWQ twice, with no luck. It
> wasn't until I purchased "Running qmail." that I actually got the thing to
> work. I'm sure that if I went back to either set of instructions (source
or
> LWQ) that both would be adequate for the installation now that I've done
it
> before. However herein lies the problem. The documentation that
currently
> exists is really only helpful to someone that has already installed the
> software once before. But, I've digressed.
>
> IMHO, everyone that is offering help via a list such as this should be
> courteous to those asking for help. If you can't be courteous, I ask that
> you please refrain from posting. Snapping at a user asking for help will
> accomplish nothing more than making the user angry and hesitant from
posting
> in the future. IIRC, these are not the goals of this list or any other
> support list.
>
> I realize, as do most of the user's posting, that support here is provided
> by individuals donating their time of their own free will. All I ask is
> that common courtesy be extended to those asking for help.
>
> Jamin W. Collins
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henning Brauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 3:11 AM
> To: suresh; Qmail-Ldap@Argus. Pipeline. Ch
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Newbie question
>
>
> Am Mittwoch, 29. November 2000 15:11 schrieb suresh:
>
> Suresh, for first writing such nonsens to the list and asking me for help
> off
> list does not fit together. before asking other busy people for help (it
is
> no paid support staff here, we all have our work to do!), you should
>
> -have read the docs at least twice
> -checked if you fulfilled the requirements for qmail-ldap, both on you
> installation and youself (yes, the wonderfull sentence "you should have
> fairly good knowledge of qmail and ldap..." and so on in bold letters
aside
> to the dowload link on the wepages
> -if you ask a question, provide all necessary information, in general as
> much
> as possible. At least OS, versions (including patch version), _complete_
> logs, configuration
> -checked all logs yourself, including ldap logs, set loglevel to highest
> possible value - helps a lot
>
>
> > PLEASE DO NOT READ NEWBIE QUESTION IF WANT TO USE THOSE DEROGATORY
> > STATEMENTS .YU DONT EVEN HELP EITHER .I AM SURE THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE
WHO
> > WOULD LIKE TO HELP!
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Henning Brauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 6:55 AM
> > To: suresh; Qmail-Ldap@Argus. Pipeline. Ch
> > Subject: Re: Newbie question
> >
> >
> > Am Mittwoch, 29. November 2000 13:24 schrieb suresh:
> >
> > You are giving us much to less infos to help you. Check if the file
> > mentioned
> > in the error message exists and is world readable. If not, RTFM before
> > asking
> > here.
> >
> > > Hi
> > > I have installed qmail-ldap patch,whenever i start the qmail ,i get
this
> > > info
> > > I have made a file in the control folder and i tried by entering the
ip
> > > address as well as by the dns name
> > > i am not able start the debug process even after i set the env
variable
> >
> > ,Is
> >
> > > there any particular syntax i should be calling qmail-start for this?
> > >
> > >
> > > bash-2.03# Nov 29 11:11:21 qmailjol qmail: [ID 748625 mail.alert]
> > > 975467481.7424
> > > 69 alert: cannot start qmail-lspawn or it had an error! Check if
> > > ~control/ldapse
> > > rver exists
> > >
> > > Suresh
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