qmail Digest 1 Dec 2000 11:00:01 -0000 Issue 1200
Topics (messages 53148 through 53253):
Re: ezmlm warning
53148 by: Neil Grant
Re: Problems with dnscache in Linux
53149 by: Andrew Richards
53152 by: Andrew Richards
53168 by: clemensF
53187 by: Andrew Richards
53199 by: Henning Brauer
qmail and easy ~/.qmail-listname with majordormo?
53150 by: s. champ
53151 by: Jonathan McDowell
Help with setting up qmail
53153 by: Amar
53158 by: Charles Cazabon
53160 by: Amar
53161 by: Charles Cazabon
53162 by: Jamin Collins
53165 by: Amar
53248 by: Vincent Schonau
Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)
53154 by: Dave Sill
53157 by: asantos
53169 by: Felix von Leitner
53172 by: Barley
53178 by: Henning Brauer
53181 by: Felix von Leitner
53185 by: Felix von Leitner
53186 by: Barley
53188 by: Dave Sill
53191 by: Aaron L. Meehan
53193 by: Felix von Leitner
53196 by: John W. Lemons III
53198 by: Henning Brauer
53200 by: kate.katewerk.com
53202 by: Ricardo Cerqueira
53204 by: David Dyer-Bennet
53205 by: David Dyer-Bennet
53209 by: Scott D. Yelich
53212 by: rmiddleton
53213 by: rmiddleton
53216 by: Robin S.Socha
53224 by: rmiddleton
53226 by: Felix von Leitner
Re: why didn't it send my msg?
53155 by: Charles Cazabon
53163 by: QBA
53164 by: QBA
53166 by: Jamin Collins
53167 by: QBA
53173 by: QBA
53175 by: Charles Cazabon
53177 by: Henning Brauer
53184 by: Dave Sill
Re: Newbie Question
53156 by: Charles Cazabon
Re: Using this list for QMail Support questions...
53159 by: Matt Brown
Limit outgoing messages
53170 by: Ari Arantes Filho
53176 by: Charles Cazabon
53249 by: Vincent Schonau
Re: Large amounts of mail
53171 by: Mark Delany
Re: QMail Support and being a newbie -- my $ .02
53174 by: Felix von Leitner
Multilog
53179 by: Ari Arantes Filho
53182 by: Henning Brauer
53183 by: Peter Samuel
53192 by: Ari Arantes Filho
Thank you very much
53180 by: Louis Mushandu
53189 by: Alexander Jernejcic
53190 by: Dave Sill
53251 by: Anton Pirnat
quickie ?
53194 by: Barry Smoke
53214 by: Alex Pennace
how are quotes handled
53195 by: Mate Wierdl
HELL, STOP IT (was: Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question))
53197 by: Markus Stumpf
53201 by: asantos
53203 by: Barley
53206 by: Kris Kelley
53211 by: Henning Brauer
53217 by: asantos
53219 by: Horacio
53220 by: Markus Stumpf
53221 by: Henning Brauer
53223 by: Greg Owen
53227 by: Peter Green
53229 by: Felix von Leitner
53230 by: Felix von Leitner
Flaming newbie's makes no sense
53207 by: Malcolm Silberman
53208 by: Henning Brauer
53218 by: Ricardo Cerqueira
53225 by: Peter Green
53228 by: Felix von Leitner
53232 by: Jamin Collins
MXs pointing to CNAMES
53210 by: Alex Pennace
Electronic Warfare (Was: HELL, STOP IT)
53215 by: Robin S.Socha
Re: inconsistency using qmail/Spamcontrol badrcptto
53222 by: Markus Stumpf
Re: [HELP] Domain in Sender: is missing
53231 by: montgomery f. tidwell
lets get back to the purpose of the mailing list
53233 by: rmiddleton
53236 by: rmiddleton
53245 by: Cyril Bitterich
Please Ignore
53234 by: montgomery f. tidwell
53241 by: Andy Bradford
Relationship between the both qmail log files
53235 by: Wong, Wing-Kin
53240 by: Markus Stumpf
[SOLUTION] Re: [HELP] Domain in Sender: is missing
53237 by: montgomery f. tidwell
Internal Spam
53238 by: rmiranda.isep.com.br
53246 by: Butch Evans
Minimum OS Requirement to run Qmail
53239 by: Andrew Buenaventura
53242 by: Andy Bradford
53243 by: rmiddleton
53253 by: Anton Pirnat
test
53244 by: suresh
still about quotes
53247 by: Mate Wierdl
URGENT:rblsmtpd is installed but spam continue???
53250 by: ouldm.linuxatbusiness.com
Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question) <end of thread>
53252 by: Anton Pirnat
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hi,
sorry to post this as I am sure this an OT, but I received this and as far
as I can tell some messages original addressed to me from the mailing list
went to [EMAIL PROTECTED]@iname.com instead of me - and then
ezmlm thinks about deleting me from the mailing list - what's going on?
any help would be great
thanks
Neil
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Subject: ezmlm warning
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Hi,
On Cobalts giving the error
>> dnscache: fatal: unable to read servers: out of memory
when running dnscache...
Thank you Dan and Clemens for your replies:
(Dan's message)
>Perhaps there's some new bloat in the latest libc. What does
>
> size /usr/local/bin/dnscache
>
>report? What if you recompile dnscache statically? What memory
>allocations do you see in a syscall trace?
# size /usr/local/bin/dnscache
text data bss dec hex filename
83747 1232 230200 315179 4cf2b /usr/local/bin/dnscache
(and after -static added to conf-ld and recompilation)
# size /usr/local/bin/dnscache
text data bss dec hex filename
221132 9784 232412 463328 711e0 /usr/local/bin/dnscache
I'm afraid I don't have time (partly, I haven't used a debugger for years)
to run a debugger on the program at the moment - assuming that's
where I'll find the necessary syscall trace - I'll try and make some
time for this when other projects cool down, but that's probably January.
(Clemens' message)
><dnscache-inst>/root/servers/@ is a small file (13 text lines). if
>dnscache initialisation can't allocate these tiny strings, memory
>consumption/allocation is the issue. what's the -d switch in the run-
>file? what other influences are there upon resident set size? did
>you specify very small hard-limits in /etc/login.conf for the dnscache
>user-id?
I certainly dug around after receiving this message - the fact that it
appears not to even *try* allocating memory suggests something
duff (your message pinpointed this for me). The machine does
have the memory available,
# vmstat 5
procs memory swap io system cpu
r b w swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id
2 0 0 92 53588 149720 23516 0 0 1 3 103 30 58 41 2
2 0 0 92 53596 149656 23516 0 0 0 4 105 33 52 48 0
3 0 0 92 53728 149624 23516 0 0 0 5 106 34 55 45 0
There is no /etc/login.conf on the box; "-d switch in the run-file";
not sure what you mean here. For RSS I used ps (I've split these
lines to fit) (Note this is the static linked version),
USER PID %CPU %MEM SIZE RSS TTY STAT START TIME
COMMAND
root 15502 0.0 0.1 1260 388 ? R 12:02 0:00
envuidgid dnscache softlimit -o250 -d 3000000 /usr/local/bin/dnscache
I've had to leave this problem for a few weeks - lots of other
things are more urgent - but I hope to get back to this one,
since I like Cobalt machines (despite their warts). Since the
time of writing my original post, I have tried installing djbdns
on another, non-Cobalt, Linux box - a PC - which compiled
and ran just fine (SuSE Linux 6.3) - so I don't think I've done
anything really dumb on the Cobalt.
I thought the problem might be related to rights, but they look
the same as the ones on the Linux PC I got the program working
on (ls -lR output reproduced below this message if interested).
I think it could be something screwy about Cobalt defaults.
Unfortunately I don't know these machines terribly well, but
I did come across a very interesting message about getting
*qmail* running on Cobalts in the qmail archive, entitled,
"unable to exec qq" and Cobalt RAQs
- this pointed out that /var is mounted nosuid by default (fixing
that was, as that message pointed out, enough to get qmail working
on the machine, that being the other service I need to setup on
the Cobalts. It didn't help dnscache though).
cheers,
Andrew.
# ls -lR
total 6
drwxr-sr-x 2 root root 1024 Nov 29 11:58 env
drwxr-sr-x 4 root root 1024 Nov 29 11:59 log
drwxr-sr-x 4 root root 1024 Nov 29 11:58 root
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 141 Nov 29 11:58 run
-rw------- 1 root root 128 Nov 29 11:58 seed
drwx--S--- 2 root root 1024 Nov 29 12:13 supervise
env:
total 5
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8 Nov 29 11:58 CACHESIZE
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8 Nov 29 11:58 DATALIMIT
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10 Nov 29 11:58 IP
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8 Nov 29 11:58 IPSEND
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14 Nov 29 11:58 ROOT
log:
total 3
drwxr-sr-x 2 dnslog djbusers 1024 Nov 29 12:07 main
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 50 Nov 29 11:58 run
-rw-r--r-- 1 dnslog djbusers 0 Nov 29 11:58 status
drwx--S--- 2 root root 1024 Nov 29 11:59 supervise
log/main:
total 159
-rwxr--r-- 1 dnslog djbusers 98010 Nov 29 12:07 @400000003a24e396221e2f2c.s
-rw-r--r-- 1 dnslog djbusers 62289 Nov 29 12:13 current
-rw------- 1 dnslog djbusers 0 Nov 29 11:59 lock
-rw-r--r-- 1 dnslog djbusers 0 Nov 29 11:59 state
log/supervise:
total 1
prw------- 1 root root 0 Nov 29 11:59 control
-rw------- 1 root root 0 Nov 29 11:59 lock
prw------- 1 root root 0 Nov 29 11:59 ok
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 18 Nov 29 11:59 status
root:
total 2
drwxr-sr-x 2 root root 1024 Nov 29 11:58 ip
drwxr-sr-x 2 root root 1024 Nov 29 11:58 servers
root/ip:
total 0
-rw------- 1 root root 0 Nov 29 11:58 127.0.0.1
root/servers:
total 1
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 164 Nov 29 11:58 @
supervise:
total 1
prw------- 1 root root 0 Nov 29 11:59 control
-rw------- 1 root root 0 Nov 29 11:59 lock
prw------- 1 root root 0 Nov 29 11:59 ok
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 18 Nov 29 12:13 status
[root /dnstest]#
(Re: dnscache on a Cobalt running Linux)
Just a PS to my last message for the benefit of
anyone else struggling with Cobalts, so you know
what I've tried:
When I originally wrote the message I was using an un-upgraded
Cobalt (Cobalt OS 1.0). As one of the things I tried, I upgraded to
the latest patch level (OS 3.0) - details below this message, but
that didn't seem to help.
cheers,
Andrew.
RaQ2-Update-OS-1.0.pkg
RaQ2-Update-OS-2.0.pkg
RaQ2-en-Update-OS-3.0.pkg
RaQ2-All-Security-3.0.1-6682.pkg
RaQ2-All-Security-3.0.1-6750.pkg
RaQ2-All-System-3.0.2-6449.pkg
RaQ2-All-System-3.0.1-7362.pkg
RaQ2-All-Security-3.0.1-8008.pkg
RaQ2-All-Security-3.0.1-8164.pkg
> Andrew Richards:
> There is no /etc/login.conf on the box; "-d switch in the run-file";
> not sure what you mean here. For RSS I used ps (I've split these
> lines to fit) (Note this is the static linked version),
> USER PID %CPU %MEM SIZE RSS TTY STAT START TIME
> COMMAND
> root 15502 0.0 0.1 1260 388 ? R 12:02 0:00
> envuidgid dnscache softlimit -o250 -d 3000000 /usr/local/bin/dnscache
^^^^^^^^^^
the -d flag
there must be a file defining default resource limits, i don't know
it's linux name. find it and check if the limits defined there
collide with the run-files and env/* files.
you have a userid for dnscache and for djbusers? did you introduce
the neccessary userids *before* compiling djbdns, like it should be?
whats the contents of the files in env/ ? the contents of the run
files? why on earth do you leave out the permissions and location of
djbdns' install directory?
clemens
Clemens,
Aha! Sorry - I'm not firing on all cylinders at present. Your
arrows (carets) have put me back on course. I'm not used to
all the features of daemontools yet, esp. svscan. The run file,
yes, <dnscache_dir>/run - doh, removes nail from head etc...
The run file (as setup by dnscache-conf):
#!/bin/sh
exec 2>&1
exec <seed
exec envdir ./env sh -c '
exec envuidgid dnscache softlimit -o250 -d "$DATALIMIT" /usr/local/bin/dnscache
'
I tried replacing "$DATALIMIT" with 15000000, but still no joy (static-linked
version) (same error)
>you have a userid for dnscache and for djbusers? did you introduce
>the neccessary userids *before* compiling djbdns, like it should be?
Yup.
>whats the contents of the files in env/ ?
CACHESIZE: 1000000
DATALIMIT: 3000000
IP: 127.0.0.1
IPSEND: 0.0.0.0
ROOT: /dnscache/root
>the contents of the run files?
(as above)... and log/run is
exec setuidgid dnslog multilog t ./main
>why on earth do you leave out the permissions and location of
>djbdns' install directory?
(just a case of nail in head / bolt through neck, mixed with djbdns-newbieism)
# ls -ld /dnscache
drwxr-sr-t 6 root root 1024 Nov 29 21:35 /dnscache
I guess the other possibly pertinent piece of info is the invocation:
I used Dan's recommended /etc/inittab addition - this line at the end
of the file (all on one line),
SV:123456:respawn:env - PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/bin
svscan /service </dev/null >/dev/console 2>/dev/console
and I 'enable' the service as recommended,
ln -s /dnscache /service/dnscache
You may well have identified the problem with the system-wide resource
limits - I'll do some research on this when I get time.
But now I must rush - plane to catch, so I probably can't come back to
this problem for a few weeks...
Thank you very much for your help so far - I'm feeling much happier with
how things fit together now (I do RTFM, but I normally need some
"battle-experience" before it sinks in properly). Hopefully this thread helps
some others on the list too.
cheers,
Andrew.
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From: clemensF[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 30 November 2000 18:40
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Re: Problems with dnscache in Linux
> Andrew Richards:
> There is no /etc/login.conf on the box; "-d switch in the run-file";
> not sure what you mean here. For RSS I used ps (I've split these
> lines to fit) (Note this is the static linked version),
> USER PID %CPU %MEM SIZE RSS TTY STAT START TIME
> COMMAND
> root 15502 0.0 0.1 1260 388 ? R 12:02 0:00
> envuidgid dnscache softlimit -o250 -d 3000000 /usr/local/bin/dnscache
^^^^^^^^^^
the -d flag
there must be a file defining default resource limits, i don't know
it's linux name. find it and check if the limits defined there
collide with the run-files and env/* files.
you have a userid for dnscache and for djbusers? did you introduce
the neccessary userids *before* compiling djbdns, like it should be?
whats the contents of the files in env/ ? the contents of the run
files? why on earth do you leave out the permissions and location of
djbdns' install directory?
clemens
Am Donnerstag, 30. November 2000 21:57 schrieb Andrew Richards:
This discussion should be on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi.
i'm still trying to decide what mailing-list manager i'm going to use,
but i've actually been thinking about going with majordomo.
after looking at:
<quote> src: http://cr.yp.to/qmail.html
qmail lets each user handle his own mailing lists. The delivery
instructions for user-whatever go into
~user/.qmail-whatever.
qmail makes it really easy to set up mailing list owners. If the
user touches
~user/.qmail-whatever-owner, all bounces will come back to him.
</qote>
...i wanted to make sure that this (and the rest of the
mailing-list-relevant features) would still work, if majordomo was used
as the mailing-list manager.
if you could cc: any replies, it would be appreciated. ( am not
subscribed)
thank you
--
sean champ
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On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 04:01:54AM -0800, s. champ wrote:
> i'm still trying to decide what mailing-list manager i'm going to use,
> but i've actually been thinking about going with majordomo.
You probably want to read:
http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/mjqmail.html
then, if you haven't already. (the Using Majordomo with qmail FAQ).
J.
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Don't stop at one bug.
Ask me about server collocation - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
hey people
i need URGENT help with qmail
i am able to send but unable to receive mails
no mailer-daemons or what so ever
Pls advise
Regards,
Rick
Amar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hey people
> i need URGENT help with qmail
> i am able to send but unable to receive mails
> no mailer-daemons or what so ever
Sigh. You've given the list _no_ information whatsoever, so we can't help
you. We need all of the following to tell you your problem:
-how you installed qmail. From source? Using daemontools? With
tcpserver? From inetd? With what patches? Using "Life with qmail"'s setup?
-the output of `qmail-showctl`
-all relevant host and domain names, not obscured or changed in any way.
-the error messages you are seeing, either from qmail, or from your MUA,
or elsewhere.
-the log entries from qmail relating to this.
However, putting on my telepathy hat, I'd say you're either not running
qmail-smtpd, or your /var/qmail/control/{locals,rcpthosts} are
incorrectly set up.
Charles
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Hi,
I have setup qmail using the .gz format and i did all as instructed in the
INSTALL files
i dont get any error msg
but,
i cant receive mail
i can send out successfully
I hope this mail is abit clearer
Regards,
Rick
Amar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have setup qmail using the .gz format and i did all as instructed in the
> INSTALL files
> i dont get any error msg
> but,
> i cant receive mail
> i can send out successfully
Post the following information:
-the output of the `qmail-showctl` command
-the output of `ps auxww | grep qmail`
-whatever leads you to believe you can't receive email -- are other
people phoning you to tell you mail to you isn't getting through?
Charles
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Amar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> I have setup qmail using the .gz format and i did all as
> instructed in the
> INSTALL files
> i dont get any error msg
> but,
> i cant receive mail
> i can send out successfully
what do you have in your /etc/inetd.conf
Jamin W. Collins
Here is the output
./qmail-showctl
qmail home directory: /var/qmail.
user-ext delimiter: -.
paternalism (in decimal): 2.
silent concurrency limit: 120.
subdirectory split: 23.
user ids: 1017, 1018, 1019, 0, 1020, 1021, 1022, 1023.
group ids: 102, 103.
badmailfrom: (Default.) Any MAIL FROM is allowed.
bouncefrom: (Default.) Bounce user name is MAILER-DAEMON.
bouncehost: (Default.) Bounce host name is hotspeed-web.com.
concurrencylocal: (Default.) Local concurrency is 10.
concurrencyremote: (Default.) Remote concurrency is 20.
databytes: (Default.) SMTP DATA limit is 0 bytes.
defaultdomain: Default domain name is hotspeed-web.com.
defaulthost: (Default.) Default host name is hotspeed-web.com.
doublebouncehost: (Default.) 2B recipient host: hotspeed-web.com.
doublebounceto: (Default.) 2B recipient user: postmaster.
envnoathost: (Default.) Presumed domain name is hotspeed-web.com.
helohost: (Default.) SMTP client HELO host name is hotspeed-web.com.
idhost: (Default.) Message-ID host name is hotspeed-web.com.
localiphost: (Default.) Local IP address becomes hotspeed-web.com.
locals:
Messages for hotspeed-web.com are delivered locally.
me: My name is hotspeed-web.com.
percenthack: (Default.) The percent hack is not allowed.
plusdomain: Plus domain name is hotspeed-web.com.
qmqpservers: (Default.) No QMQP servers.
queuelifetime: (Default.) Message lifetime in the queue is 604800 seconds.
rcpthosts:
SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at hotspeed-web.com.
morercpthosts: (Default.) No effect.
morercpthosts.cdb: (Default.) No effect.
smtpgreeting: (Default.) SMTP greeting: 220 hotspeed-web.com.
smtproutes: (Default.) No artificial SMTP routes.
timeoutconnect: (Default.) SMTP client connection timeout is 60 seconds.
timeoutremote: (Default.) SMTP client data timeout is 1200 seconds.
timeoutsmtpd: (Default.) SMTP server data timeout is 1200 seconds.
virtualdomains: (Default.) No virtual domains.
qmails 7389 0.0 0.3 1096 384 pts/3 S 02:17 0:00 qmail-send
qmaill 7390 0.0 0.3 1068 412 pts/3 S 02:17 0:00 splogger
qmail
root 7391 0.0 0.2 1056 328 pts/3 S 02:17 0:00 qmail-lspawn
|pre
qmailr 7392 0.0 0.2 1056 328 pts/3 S 02:17 0:00 qmail-rspawn
qmailq 7393 0.0 0.2 1048 344 pts/3 S 02:17 0:00 qmail-clean
root 7410 0.0 0.3 1164 420 pts/3 S 02:18 0:00 grep qmail
well this is a fresh installation
pls do advise me what to do
Also, i have heard that there is a GUI that eases the adding of
users,subdomains,domains and etc
were do i get that
Regards,
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Cazabon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 1:32 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Help with setting up qmail
Amar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have setup qmail using the .gz format and i did all as instructed in the
> INSTALL files
> i dont get any error msg
> but,
> i cant receive mail
> i can send out successfully
Post the following information:
-the output of the `qmail-showctl` command
-the output of `ps auxww | grep qmail`
-whatever leads you to believe you can't receive email -- are other
people phoning you to tell you mail to you isn't getting through?
Charles
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Amar writes:
> Here is the output
[of qmail-showctl]
> qmails 7389 0.0 0.3 1096 384 pts/3 S 02:17 0:00 qmail-send
> qmaill 7390 0.0 0.3 1068 412 pts/3 S 02:17 0:00 splogger
> qmail
> root 7391 0.0 0.2 1056 328 pts/3 S 02:17 0:00 qmail-lspawn
> |pre
> qmailr 7392 0.0 0.2 1056 328 pts/3 S 02:17 0:00 qmail-rspawn
> qmailq 7393 0.0 0.2 1048 344 pts/3 S 02:17 0:00 qmail-clean
> root 7410 0.0 0.3 1164 420 pts/3 S 02:18 0:00 grep qmail
This looks like you're not running qmail-smtpd (but if you use inetd, it
wouldn't show).
What do you have for smtp in inetd.conf? Did you HUP inetd? Does netstat
-ta show a line for smtp[1]? Can you telnet to port 25 on your machine?
What happens?
(see step 16 an 17 in the INSTALL file)
What did you do when executing the tests in TEST.receive?
Vince.
"asantos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Or that XEmacs is not an operating system.
Actually, XEmacs is as much of an operating system--probably even
moreso--than early versions of Windows.
-Dave
From: Dave Sill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Actually, XEmacs is as much of an operating system--probably even
>moreso--than early versions of Windows.
Me, I'd say that neither is an operating system ;)
Anyway, I think that a good rule of thumb to qualify a software piece as a
operating system is "does the boot in it?". In the case of XEmacs, it
obviously doesn't. In the case of Windows... errr... that's it, Windows is a
windows manager, not a operating system.
Armando
> I may be out of line here.
You are.
You post off-topic bullshit to a mailing list about qmail.
Oh, and you don't even have the decency to comply to the
well-established quoting standards when quoting email from others.
This is not a "I am willing to help dumb idiots" mailing list.
This is more of a self help mailing list.
You help yourself and when you have a problem that can not be answered
with the docs and search engines, THEN you can come here.
Or you can come here to read announcements for new software, new
documentation or new tricks regarding qmail.
But if you come here, post moronic questions, get beaten for it, and
then have the audacity to come back and whine publicly, then you are the
most pathetic creature on Earth and deserve to die slowly and painfully.
May the flies of a dozen dead camels' asses rest in your armpits!
Felix
> But if you come here, post moronic questions, get beaten for it, and
> then have the audacity to come back and whine publicly, then you are the
> most pathetic creature on Earth and deserve to die slowly and painfully.
> May the flies of a dozen dead camels' asses rest in your armpits!
I cannot get over this attitude. Can it really be that the majority of the
qmail community feels like old Felix here?
Sounds like the guy was dropped as a baby, beaten up in grammar school, and
caught his prom date screwing another chick in the back seat of his car.
Relax, Felix. And remember, you're cluttering up the list as much as this
"moron". As am I. As will be whomever flames me.
Just talk about qmail or nothing at all, you angry people. It's that simple.
Ask a question, answer a question, or post nothing, if you want this list
traffic to be worthwhile reading.
Gregg
>
> Felix
>
Am Donnerstag, 30. November 2000 20:30 schrieb Barley:
> > But if you come here, post moronic questions, get beaten for it, and
> > then have the audacity to come back and whine publicly, then you are the
> > most pathetic creature on Earth and deserve to die slowly and painfully.
> > May the flies of a dozen dead camels' asses rest in your armpits!
> I cannot get over this attitude. Can it really be that the majority of the
> qmail community feels like old Felix here?
Yes.
> Ask a question, answer a question, or post nothing,
And waste your time deleteting 10 follow-ups like "oh this list is so
impolite as nobody helps me".
> Gregg
>
> > Felix
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Thus spake Dave Sill ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> I'm not a big fan of newbie smackdowns, though a repeat offendor might
> warrant one. I think newbies generally respond better to reward than
> punishment. E.g., instead of:
This is a question that I have asked numerous times and I never got a
good response for it:
Why would you want to help rude newbies?
Don't get me wrong: helping newbies is essential for the survival of the
knowledge. But if I have the choice, I will not help people who are so
dumb that they will probably get killed the next day because they
thought pissing on overland power lines is a bright idea.
And that includes people who
a. are too dumb to state their question properly
(this includes bad grammar, bad spelling, bad quoting and obnoxious
signatures)
b. are too dumb to state their question in the proper forum
c. are not friendly (i.e. demand answer instead of being polite)
d. whine when someone points their mistakes out to them
If someone who matches any of those points wants my help, he has to pay
for it. Or, he can be really really friendly to me. Or he can read the
documentation that I put on my web page. If that is not sufficient,
then that person is out of luck. No, I am not sorry.
> The former approach *might* work, but is more likely to offend the
> newbie. The latter is polite and informative. An educated, unoffended
> newbie is much more likely to want to change his ways.
If he doesn't want to change his ways, then he is welcome to examine the
inside of my spacious killfile. Noone is obligated to help idiots. In
particular, I am not.
Felix
> How exactly is my MUA broken?
Your MTA is not so broken that it could not be fixed if you actually
understood what you are doing. Robin chose to be more polite to you
than you are to us, so he rather wrote that it's your MUA's fault.
> Telling someone to RTFM would be helpful, if the manual being referenced as
> indicated.
Say, weren't you the guy who accused Robin of bad spelling?
I suggest you should fix your grammar first.
> When exactly did I call Dave Sill an asshole? I simply made meantion that
> his HOWTO did not assist in my configuration of qmail.
Did you, at any time, consider that this might not be the fault of the
documentation but of your own? BTW: It's "mention", not "meantion".
> This is not a derogatory statement in any fashion. Simply a statement
> of fact. As for providing clarifications to the document, I very well
> may once I have qmail configured the way I would like it.
What do we have to do to get you and your new-age psycho-babble
self-help crap off this list? Please go away and watch a few hundred
hours of the fine world-class US "let's all be happy and friendly"
mind-control television. That ought to mellow you out a little.
> What brings me to post? Simple, I like to help people learn more about
> computing.
To me it looks like you enjoy sabotaging other people's means of
communication by clogging it with mindless and superfluous off-topic
drivel like this very posting.
Your discussion of social and meta problems indicates that you looking
for topics that nobody understands enough to prove you wrong.
Let me assure you: The qmail list is no such place.
Why don't you go to soc.* in Usenet? You will meet millions of other
people who like to talk about psychology and sociology.
Felix
> Am Donnerstag, 30. November 2000 20:30 schrieb Barley:
> > > But if you come here, post moronic questions, get beaten for it, and
> > > then have the audacity to come back and whine publicly, then you are
the
> > > most pathetic creature on Earth and deserve to die slowly and
painfully.
> > > May the flies of a dozen dead camels' asses rest in your armpits!
> > I cannot get over this attitude. Can it really be that the majority of
the
> > qmail community feels like old Felix here?
>
> Yes.
I think you're worng. You see, you, like Felix, are a rude person who enjoys
trashing newbies. You were the first person to get incredibly nasty about
newbies yesterday, then that joker Robin...now this Felix character. It seem
to me that you angry types form a vocal minority. Certainly, it has been a
lot more friendly people who have helped me on this list. You people don't
help anyone, but rather just mouth off and bolster your egos.
>
> > Ask a question, answer a question, or post nothing,
>
> And waste your time deleteting 10 follow-ups like "oh this list is so
> impolite as nobody helps me".
Better than having to delete those 10 messages plus 10 messages from angry
egomaniacs like yourself, plus ten messages from people like me asking why
you can't just act like an adult and treat people with respect. I mean, come
on, "May the flies of a dozen dead camels' asses rest in your armpits!" is
the kind of thing children say to one another. And to say it because someone
didn't post a question correctly? Wow, you folks need to get your heads out
of your asses. You are older than 12, right?
> > Gregg
> >
> > > Felix
>
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"Barley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I cannot get over this attitude. Can it really be that the majority of the
>qmail community feels like old Felix here?
If I say "yes" can we kill this thread?
-Dave
Quoting John W. Lemons III ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> I've seen this over and over and over. Someone joins the list, probably
> because they are having problems (the same reason I joined), posts a
> question
Back in the day, it was prudent and _neccessary_ to do thorough
checking of the forum's archives and lurk before posting, unless you
wore fireproof undies. It's still true to this day, although it seems
that someone is complaining about this most basic Internet truth every
week (day?) on this list.
When you have a problem, subscribing to a mailing list and immediately
posting your question is unwise, as your problem has likely been asked
and answered dozens, if not hundreds, of times.
The vast, VAST majority of questions posted to this list in recent
memory have been asked and answered a bazillion times. Some don't
mind seeing them a bazillion times, most do.
This is Internet 101, but I'm afraid the deluge is starting drown us.
Inane questions are costing us all money. You could argue that it's a
fraction of a penny, but still, for those interested in actually
helping out those who pose good questions, it wastes time and money to
have to wade through those asking about shell syntax. Less noise
would mean UIC's 'net connection would be a little less-stressed, as
well. Alas, I expect trends to continue.
Why is it that all of these people are installing their Redhat CD's
and installing qmail without having the foggiest idea how it all fits
together? Why are they not doing their homework? It's all fine and
dandy for your home playground, but many of these questions are coming
from professionals working with production systems!
So many questions posted here really haven't anything to do with email
or qmail, but rather basic Unix administration fundamentals, which is
decidedly lacking among more and more of the world's Unix
"administrators" these days, it would seem (and not just the low-paid
ones, I'm afraid). Without understanding how your shell works, how to
decipher the syntax of your init scripts? There are many other
examples.
You don't just move from NT to any type of Unix without extensive
research and experience, save for your own home boxes or what not, or
unless you are particularly bright (again, obviously lacking among
many newbie posters here). If you can't do it yourself, then it's
wise to hire someone.
Now, when I installed qmail the first time for a production system, I
was subscribed to the qmail list for awhile already--I knew I HAD to
get rid of sendmaul, and I did my homework! I did it using only Dan's
docs in the qmail tarball! Yes. There was no LWQ. I also learned a
great deal just by reading this list for a month or two. It was PIECE
OF CAKE, especially when one has experience with such monstrosities as
INN--the poor souls having trouble with qmail and posting here would
shoot themselves. Some don't have the luxury of that much time or
experience, granted, but still, there's a limit. Having a firm grasp
of Unix and a little common sense goes a long ways. If you don't have
a firm grasp on Unix, then there are resources out there to help you,
on Usenet, the Web, in printed books, whatever.
The keys to success:
- Read the docs, then read more docs.
- Know the software, your OS, your shell, and basic Unix stuff like
file permissions ("my log says the .qmail file has an x bit set and
program delivery, and qmail won't deliver my mail! how do I fix it??"
how many times have I seen that?!) before you decide to put that new
qmail box in production! Argg. Or hire someone who does.
- Attention to detail.
Heck, there are probably others, but I can't stress the latter enough,
since it's apparent that attention to detail is non-existant for most of
those used to point-and-drool and that ask question on this list.
> On a side note, I've tried to unsubscribe from the list because of exactly
> this kind of crap from self-important jerks who seem to get a charge out of
> kicking people when they are down, but the damn server tells me I'm not
> subscribed so it can't unsubscribe me. Go figure.
Well, again, attention to detail is the key. Your envelope sender
address does not match the address that you were subscribed as, for
whatever reason. Look at this mail's return-path for a clue.
I've said enough. Pretty close to adding a rule for *Outlook* and
*Inernet Mail Service* (heh, "Service!") into my .procmailrc, though,
for mails to this list, with the SNR getting so bad among you all.
Sigh.
Aaron
Thus spake Barley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Man, this Robin character is nuts. Coder-superiority syndrome big time. Why
> is it that tech geeks are so sure that their field of knowledge is the only
> one that indicates general intelligence?
Hahaha, you idiot can't even be bothered to use a search engine to look
Robin's previous work out to place a proper insult? What kind of
pathetic wimp are you, anyway?
Robin is not a coder.
> If Robin is anything like his/her mailing list personality in real
> life, I'm sure few people would consider him/her nearly as intelligent
> as he/she considers him/herself. True intelligence is indicated by a
> broader understanding of things, and the contributions that many
> different people have to offer.
Hahaha, how can someone like _you_ dare to say anything about
intelligence? Especially about other people's intelligence?!
You wouldn't know intelligence when it fell on your foot!
> You mentioned Darwinism in a former post, Robin. How exactly is an angry
> geek who knows a whole lot about electronic boxes, but less than nothing
> about interacting successfully with the 5 billion other real-live people on
> the planet suited for survival in a Darwinian sense? Something tells me if
> you and I were dropped in the wilderness together, I'd be the one coming out
> alive, if only because I had you skewered on a spit over a fire within the
> first day. In fact it's hard to envision a role for you at all in any world
> that wasn't utterly computer-dependant.
Robin's day job is not computer related.
> Now why don't you go answer some questions instead of flaming me back. Show
> us all how clever you are, Robin.
Gregg, why don't you be a good boy and piss off.
Go away.
Leave.
There is nobody here who has any interest in your pathetic flaming.
And, now that you showed your real face, noone would help you even if
you learned how to spell, how to quote or how to phrase your questions
correctly.
Begone, parasite.
Felix
I don't disagree with a lot of what you said, but I still fail to
see why a newbie posting a question should illicit waves of vulgarity
and self aggrandizing diatribes from a select few that have deemed
themselves too busy to help, but not too busy to hurt. Back in "the
day" (yes, I actually predate the web) I don't recall this kind of
behavior being nearly as common as it is now. Granted this may be a
reaction to an increase of newbie traffic, but that doesn't make it
right, nor does it make the list any better, because newbies will
come in regardless of how previous newbies are chastised by
definition.
-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron L. Meehan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 3:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)
Quoting John W. Lemons III ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> I've seen this over and over and over. Someone joins the list, probably
> because they are having problems (the same reason I joined), posts a
> question
Back in the day, it was prudent and _neccessary_ to do thorough
checking of the forum's archives and lurk before posting, unless you
wore fireproof undies. It's still true to this day, although it seems
that someone is complaining about this most basic Internet truth every
week (day?) on this list.
<snip>
Am Donnerstag, 30. November 2000 21:55 schrieb Barley:
> You see, you, like Felix, are a rude person who
> enjoys trashing newbies. You were the first person to get incredibly nasty
> about newbies yesterday, then that joker Robin...now this Felix character.
> It seem to me that you angry types form a vocal minority. Certainly, it has
> been a lot more friendly people who have helped me on this list. You people
> don't help anyone, but rather just mouth off and bolster your egos.
I expect that everyone asking us for free advice thinks about the problem
himself, provides necessary infos, has read the docs and is polite. nothing
more. If anybody want's more, he should pay for help.
> > > Ask a question, answer a question, or post nothing,
> >
> > And waste your time deleteting 10 follow-ups like "oh this list is so
> > impolite as nobody helps me".
> Better than having to delete those 10 messages plus 10 messages from angry
> egomaniacs like yourself, plus ten messages from people like me asking why
> you can't just act like an adult and treat people with respect.
If only one of this stupid unable-to-read-the-documentation and
unable-to-think nebies does not ask and decides to read again, it was worth
it.
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> Thus spake Barley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
>
> > You mentioned Darwinism in a former post, Robin. How exactly is an angry
> > geek who knows a whole lot about electronic boxes, but less than nothing
> > about interacting successfully with the 5 billion other real-live people on
> > the planet suited for survival in a Darwinian sense?
You wouldn't say that if you knew how many of us wanted to sleep with him.
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On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 09:27:57PM +0100, Felix von Leitner wrote:
> Thus spake Dave Sill ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > I'm not a big fan of newbie smackdowns, though a repeat offendor might
> > warrant one. I think newbies generally respond better to reward than
> > punishment. E.g., instead of:
>
> This is a question that I have asked numerous times and I never got a
> good response for it:
>
> Why would you want to help rude newbies?
You wouldn't. But, unfortunately, someone ends up doing so, leading to a
continuous wrong-doing trend.
>
> Don't get me wrong: helping newbies is essential for the survival of the
> knowledge. But if I have the choice, I will not help people who are so
> dumb that they will probably get killed the next day because they
> thought pissing on overland power lines is a bright idea.
>
Ease down, Felix. Don't look at it as a matter of dumbness. It's more of an
inadequacy issue. Keep reading;
> And that includes people who
>
> a. are too dumb to state their question properly
> (this includes bad grammar, bad spelling, bad quoting and obnoxious
> signatures)
Please... The internet wasn't built for english speakers, nor by english
speakers. But, as we all know, english (or english-ish approaches) is a
common language for all of us. My own english is far from perfect, and I
very often find myself twisting my brain trying to figure out what a
supplier or business partner is trying to tell me in a meeting.
As long as we're not talking about l33t dud3z, nor native speakers, that
shouldn't be a problem. (at least not a major one)
> b. are too dumb to state their question in the proper forum
That's not dumbness. That's rudeness or inadequacy. By inadequate, I'm
talking about those guys who've never seen a unix shell until two days ago,
have no clue whatsoever of what C is, expect the docs to _talk_ them step
by step into procedures, or, the most common case, expect someone to give
them an out-of-the-box solution for free.
What frightens me is that more and more of these seem to be in charge of
someone's mail, webspace, databases, whatever. They sould never, ever, be
allowed to touch a damn root prompt, unless the machine is nowhere near a
network. THAT's how people should learn. Unfortunately, a large group of
new "sysadmins" are teaching themselves through experience in production
environments and, what's worse, they're using either pre-built packages, or
scripts someone else gave them (either because they were polite, or because
they whined for a week and someone got tired and gave them a solution).
This usually leads to a situation where things do work, but the "ladmin"
has no clue on "why", "how", and "what to do if it fails".
Also, more and more of these ladmins seem to be unaware of the fact that
Linux isn't the only non-Windows OS. They don't know what Unix is. They
have no idea of how to configure things without the nifty GTK or curses
interface; and ultimately, editing source or slightly changing a script is
a nightmarish idea.
But what truly pisses me off is the fact that they expect a qmail (example)
list to solve their problems with bash scripting, kernel options, DNS. And
they don't seem to realize this is NOT the proper place to do so, and
refuse to read the docs where answers to most issues are clear. But then
again, if they have no Unix backgound or knowledge at all, how will a simple
answer like "Change the uid of that directory to that of the user running
the daemon" help?
> c. are not friendly (i.e. demand answer instead of being polite)
Oh, well... Why doesn't everyone just ignore those?
> d. whine when someone points their mistakes out to them
Hey, Felix... They're the Unix Gurus in there. They convinced everyone else
NT was no good, and should be replaced. How dare WE tell them they're
wrong?
>
> If he doesn't want to change his ways, then he is welcome to examine the
> inside of my spacious killfile. Noone is obligated to help idiots. In
> particular, I am not.
Noone is. But the base fact is: They should never come this far without
basic IT and Unix skills.
RC
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Barley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 30 November 2000 at 11:30:46 -0800
> > But if you come here, post moronic questions, get beaten for it, and
> > then have the audacity to come back and whine publicly, then you are the
> > most pathetic creature on Earth and deserve to die slowly and painfully.
> > May the flies of a dozen dead camels' asses rest in your armpits!
>
> I cannot get over this attitude. Can it really be that the majority of the
> qmail community feels like old Felix here?
Well, no. And yes.
I prefer that people who waste our time through laziness not be
beaten; but I have no objection to people ignoring them, I often do
myself. And if they come back whining about getting not help, and get
a polite explanation of why not, and start flaming, well, by then I
figure they've volunteered.
I think that people who don't understand how far from qualified to
install any MTA they are, and who don't understand the social dynamics
of user community lists for complex technical products, and who don't
seem to be interested in *learning* any of those things, are pretty
pitiful. I stop short of thinking they deserve a slow, painful,
death, myself, though.
In other words, I agree with most of the analysis, but prefer to use
gentler language in my descriptions.
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Felix von Leitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 30 November 2000 at 21:27:57 +0100
> Thus spake Dave Sill ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > I'm not a big fan of newbie smackdowns, though a repeat offendor might
> > warrant one. I think newbies generally respond better to reward than
> > punishment. E.g., instead of:
>
> This is a question that I have asked numerous times and I never got a
> good response for it:
>
> Why would you want to help rude newbies?
It makes me feel superior. Also, it tends to keep the tone of the
group more pleasant.
> Don't get me wrong: helping newbies is essential for the survival of the
> knowledge. But if I have the choice, I will not help people who are so
> dumb that they will probably get killed the next day because they
> thought pissing on overland power lines is a bright idea.
I wouldn't want to go anywhere *close* to somebody that dumb; they
might do something that would attract incoming fire, too.
Luckily, they're rare. The exact category "pissing on overland power
lines" doesn't seem to exist in the cause-of-death statistics, but at
a rough guess there are, um, zero people killed that way each year.
So I don't worry about them *too* much.
> And that includes people who
>
> a. are too dumb to state their question properly
> (this includes bad grammar, bad spelling, bad quoting and obnoxious
> signatures)
Remembering that English is not the first language for everybody; I
make considerably more allowances for somebody who is writing English
better than I write German or Russian, than I do for people who
obviously just aren't trying.
> b. are too dumb to state their question in the proper forum
> c. are not friendly (i.e. demand answer instead of being polite)
> d. whine when someone points their mistakes out to them
>
> If someone who matches any of those points wants my help, he has to pay
> for it. Or, he can be really really friendly to me. Or he can read the
> documentation that I put on my web page. If that is not sufficient,
> then that person is out of luck. No, I am not sorry.
Your time, your rules.
I certainly agree that my correct reponse to being caught in an error
is somewhere in the range from "Ah! Thanks" to "Doh!" to "I see I was
having a particularly braindead moment, thanks for bailing me out",
and does not extend to whining.
> > The former approach *might* work, but is more likely to offend the
> > newbie. The latter is polite and informative. An educated, unoffended
> > newbie is much more likely to want to change his ways.
>
> If he doesn't want to change his ways, then he is welcome to examine the
> inside of my spacious killfile. Noone is obligated to help idiots. In
> particular, I am not.
True. You're welcome to killfile them, or just ignore the messages.
You're certainly not under any obligation. And it's obvious that your
attitude will be better if you don't try!
Just so you don't get to the point of arguing that it's actively
*wrong* to help them (which you haven't yet).
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> > > about interacting successfully with the 5 billion other real-live
people on
> > > the planet suited for survival in a Darwinian sense?
>
> You wouldn't say that if you knew how many of us wanted to sleep with him.
>
> --
> Kate
> http://www.katewerk.com
>
Hrm i thought Robin was a woman ;)
Rick
> > > about interacting successfully with the 5 billion other real-live
people on
> > > the planet suited for survival in a Darwinian sense?
>
> You wouldn't say that if you knew how many of us wanted to sleep with him.
>
> --
> Kate
> http://www.katewerk.com
>
Hrm i thought Robin was a woman ;)
Rick
Quoting rmiddleton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
>
> > > > about interacting successfully with the 5 billion other
> > > > real-live people on the planet suited for survival in a
> > > > Darwinian sense?
> >
> > You wouldn't say that if you knew how many of us wanted to sleep
> > with him.
>
> Hrm i thought Robin was a woman ;)
You wouldn't believe how much money we made with that webcam...
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"If you are too low a lifeform to be able to learn how to use the
manual page subsystem, why should we help you?" (Theo de Raadt)
> > Hrm i thought Robin was a woman ;)
>
> You wouldn't believe how much money we made with that webcam...
> --
> Robin S. Socha http://socha.net/
hah! that owns! now smack your dad for the chick's name ;)
Thus spake David Dyer-Bennet ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > a. are too dumb to state their question properly
> > (this includes bad grammar, bad spelling, bad quoting and obnoxious
> > signatures)
> Remembering that English is not the first language for everybody; I
> make considerably more allowances for somebody who is writing English
> better than I write German or Russian, than I do for people who
> obviously just aren't trying.
English is not my mother tongue.
I expect from others what I expect from myself.
I would never post a question in German or ultra-broken Mandarin to a
Chinese mailing list. If your English is so bad that your English
teacher commited suicide with a flame thrower after reading your essays,
then you need more practice and should not post to mailing lists. Buy a
few tapes or whatever. If I can't understand your question, I can't
answer you. It is in your own interest to phrase it correctly.
> > If he doesn't want to change his ways, then he is welcome to examine the
> > inside of my spacious killfile. Noone is obligated to help idiots. In
> > particular, I am not.
> True. You're welcome to killfile them, or just ignore the messages.
> You're certainly not under any obligation. And it's obvious that your
> attitude will be better if you don't try!
If that was a solution, I would be doing it instead of talking about it.
The fact is that I still see the hundreds of replies from others, no
matter how deep I bury the idiots in my killfile.
So not only do they still cause traffic to my SMTP server that I have to
pay, they also cost me precious time.
So the only real solution is to get rid of the lusers for good.
I hope to discourage them by flaming a few of the particularly nasty
ones here.
> Just so you don't get to the point of arguing that it's actively
> *wrong* to help them (which you haven't yet).
If they are rude and you help them, you tell the lurkers that it's OK to
be rude because you are helped anyway. And, if I killfile rude lusers,
and you answer to them in public, I will still waste time reading your
reply, which will quote the question from the idiot so I will still see
it.
So: yes, I think nobody should answer rude questions.
Felix
QBA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> I have a dial-up connection to my isp [...] But I have joined dyndns.org
> project and registered there as qbaroot.dyndns.org.
[...]
> But today I wanted to check if when I send a message (while online) to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] it will come directly to my mailbox.
> Unfortunately it didn't.
> Nov 29 22:00:13 localhost qmail: 975531613.680894 new msg 28139
> Nov 29 22:00:13 localhost qmail: 975531613.681071 info msg 28139: bytes 444 from
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> qp 1309 uid 501
> Nov 29 22:00:13 localhost qmail: 975531613.738866 starting delivery 2: msg 28139 to
>remote [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Nov 29 22:00:13 localhost qmail: 975531613.738959 status: local 0/10 remote 1/20
> Nov 29 22:00:15 localhost qmail: 975531615.261675 delivery 2: deferral:
>Sorry,_I_wasn't_able_to_establish_an_SMTP_connection._(#4.4.1)/
Several problems here:
-your machine doesn't think it gets mail for "qbaroot.dyndns.org". You need to
add this domain to /var/qmail/control/locals.
-because of the above, qmail is trying to connect to the IP address associated
with the name "qbaroot.dyndns.org" (there's no MX record). This is your
machine. You're not running an SMTP daemon on port 25, so it can't connect.
To accept mail, you'd need to run qmail-smtpd.
-this is academic, however, for mail from your own machine, as once that domain
is in locals, qmail will deliver it directly without going through SMTP.
Charles
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On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 12:56:58AM +0100, Markus Stumpf wrote:
>
> Did you add
> qbaroot.dyndns.org
> to your control/locals file?
> And if so, did you kill -HUP <pid of qmail-send> ??
>
> \Maex
Hi,
No, I didn't add this domain to this file. And one more question -
am I to erase localhost from it? (I guess that in control/locals
have to be 2 domains - localhost and qbaroot.dyndns.org but I'm not sure.)
Thanks 4 help,
QBA
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 04:27:36AM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote:
>
> The error "sorry, couldn't establish smtp connection" means that on the
> remote host no MTA reacted on port 25. Could be a wrong host, could be a
> wrong name resolution, could be you don't have qmail-smtpd enabled.
> --
Hi,
How can I check if I have qmail-smtpd enabled on my host?
Thanks in advance,
QBA
QBA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> How can I check if I have qmail-smtpd enabled on my host?
> Thanks in advance,
This would depend on how you installed qmail. Are you using inetd.conf
setup or something else? The inetd.conf method is the easiest IMHO to get
configured to start with, but many others suggest using tcpserver in the
long run. So, just to get stared, what do you have in your /etc/inetd.conf?
Jamin W. Collins
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 08:38:59AM -0600, Charles Cazabon wrote:
>
> Several problems here:
>
> -your machine doesn't think it gets mail for "qbaroot.dyndns.org". You need to
> add this domain to /var/qmail/control/locals.
>
> -because of the above, qmail is trying to connect to the IP address associated
> with the name "qbaroot.dyndns.org" (there's no MX record). This is your
> machine. You're not running an SMTP daemon on port 25, so it can't connect.
> To accept mail, you'd need to run qmail-smtpd.
>
> -this is academic, however, for mail from your own machine, as once that domain
> is in locals, qmail will deliver it directly without going through SMTP.
>
> Charles
First of all thanks for your explanations. And to make it clear:
1. I got to add qbaroot.dyndns.org to my locals file
2. Have to start qmail-smtpd 'cause I wanna others people send their
messages directly to my host when I'll be online.
3. Have to learn more.
Am I correct?
QBA
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 12:42:11PM -0600, Jamin Collins wrote:
>
> This would depend on how you installed qmail. Are you using inetd.conf
> setup or something else? The inetd.conf method is the easiest IMHO to get
> configured to start with, but many others suggest using tcpserver in the
> long run. So, just to get stared, what do you have in your /etc/inetd.conf?
>
> Jamin W. Collins
I got there this (as one line):
smtp stream tcp nowait qmaild /var/qmail/bin/tcp-env tcp-env
/var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd
Is it correct?
QBA
QBA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> First of all thanks for your explanations. And to make it clear:
> 1. I got to add qbaroot.dyndns.org to my locals file
Yes. You can have more than two domains in this file, by the way.
> 2. Have to start qmail-smtpd 'cause I wanna others people send their
> messages directly to my host when I'll be online.
Yes.
> 3. Have to learn more.
Yes :). Read everything on www.qmail.org, and all the documentation it
refers to, as well as all qmail-related pages on the author's site at
http://cr.up.to/
Charles
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Am Donnerstag, 30. November 2000 19:42 schrieb Jamin Collins:
> QBA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> > How can I check if I have qmail-smtpd enabled on my host?
> > Thanks in advance,
>
> This would depend on how you installed qmail. Are you using inetd.conf
> setup or something else? The inetd.conf method is the easiest IMHO to get
> configured to start with, but many others suggest using tcpserver in the
> long run. So, just to get stared, what do you have in your
> /etc/inetd.conf?
`ps aux | grep qmail`, if you see qmail-smtpd it is running, otherwise not.
(note: if you run qmail.smtp from inetd use Jamin's method).
Using inetd at all, but especially for qmail, is no good idea IMHO, your
mileage may vary.
> Jamin W. Collins
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QBA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>How can I check if I have qmail-smtpd enabled on my host?
$ telnet 0 25
Trying 0.0.0.0...
Connected to 0.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 sws5.ctd.ornl.gov ORNL/WS ESMTP
help
214 qmail home page: http://pobox.com/~djb/qmail.html
quit
221 sws5.ctd.ornl.gov ORNL/WS
Connection closed by foreign host.
$
-Dave
Louis Mushandu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Fits qmail installation and all was fine until I tried to send email to
> > the box. It produces the following error message
And wrote it twice. Woohoo. Hint: if no one replies to your question the
first time you post it, posting exactly the same text again won't get you
any better response.
Someone did actually reply with the correct answer, though.
> > Sorry. Although I'm listed as a best-preference MX or A for that host,
> > it isn't in my control/locals file, so I don't treat it as local. (#5.4.6)
The domain you're trying to receive mail for isn't in /var/qmail/control/locals.
Therefore qmail doesn't consider it a local domain. Therefore it can't
deliver it.
> > and below is control details
> >
> > /var/qmail/control
> >
> > ::::::::::::::
> > bouncefrom
> > ::::::::::::::
> > postmaster
This is very hard to read; instead of typing this out in an oddball format,
you'll get better results if you include the output of the `qmail-showctl`
command.
Charles
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Alex Pennace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> People who RTFM not only usually get help with their current problem,
> they learn about other nifty qmail features and find new ways of using
> qmail. People who don't RTFM and instead use the list to solve one
> problem at a time typically remain ignorant of the bigger picture, and
> persist in using the list as a hand-holding forum. Not healthy.
In other words, people: you're not just being asked to read the docs
to make OUR lives easier, but YOURS too.
-Matt
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Hi,
Is it possible to limit only outgoing messages? I so databytes, but I only
want to limit the messages that my users send, not receive.
Thanks,
Ari
Ari Arantes Filho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Is it possible to limit only outgoing messages? I so databytes, but I only
> want to limit the messages that my users send, not receive.
Hint: when posting a new question like this, don't make it a reply to a
previous message. It messes up the threading in our MUAs and in the
archives.
Use tcpserver to set the DATABYTES variable on a per-IP basis. Set it to
some limit for your user's IP addresses (or localhost, if they're injecting
via SMTP), and to 0 for the rest of the net at large.
Charles
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Charles Cazabon writes:
> Ari Arantes Filho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Is it possible to limit only outgoing messages? I so databytes, but I only
> > want to limit the messages that my users send, not receive.
[...]
> Use tcpserver to set the DATABYTES variable on a per-IP basis. Set it to
> some limit for your user's IP addresses (or localhost, if they're injecting
> via SMTP), and to 0 for the rest of the net at large.
Hm. That would work for outgoing messages via SMTP. I guess a (perl?)
wrapper around qmail-inject that looks at the size of stdin would work for
local users.
Vince.
Given that qmail-pop3d can be very easily run directly, why not
strace/truss it from the command line?
As excesstest
cd $HOME
strace /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir
Put the output on the web and post the URL.
Regards.
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 01:33:41PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
> I have recently installed qmail-1.03 using ./Maildir/ and pop. I
> am using qmail-pop3d and checkpasswords. The problem I am
> having is that when a user gets large amounts of mail ie. 2000+ it
> will not scan their maildir. This is the message I am getting:
>
> Trying 127.0.0.1...
> Connected to localhost
> Escape character is '^]'.
> +OK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> user excesstest
> +OK
> pass xxxxxx
> -ERR unable to scan $HOME/Maildir
> Connection closed by foreign host.
>
> It works fine for all other aspects just when a user gets excessive
> amounts of mail it stops scanning their maildir. Everyone elses still
> works though.
>
> I found a post on the mailing list that made me think I had worked it
> out but the amount of memory was not the case.
>
> I am using a Pentium Celeron 400mhz with 384MB of RAM running
> FreeBSD 4.1.
>
> Another post told me I might need to change the limits could the
> number of openfiles have anything to do with it.
> Here are my resource limits:
> Resource limits (current):
> cputime infinity secs
> filesize infinity kb
> datasize 524288 kb
> stacksize 65536 kb
> coredumpsize infinity kb
> memoryuse infinity kb
> memorylocked infinity kb
> maxprocesses 531
> openfiles 1064
> sbsize infinity bytes
>
> If anyone has any insights could they please help me it would be
> much appreciated.
>
> Drew
>
> Andrew Toussaint
> Richardson-Shaw Pty Ltd
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Thus spake Jessica U. Gothie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> I agree that people attempting to install and run mail servers should be
> fairly technically clued, comfortable with the OS the mail server stuff is
> to be installed on, and able to read/understand documentation. In an ideal
> world, this would be the case. We do not live in an ideal world.
I understand qmail well enough to offer commercial support for it.
To me, this mailing list is the only place where I can get software
announcements and which is there to "discuss qmail", as Dan's page
states clearly.
This mailing list is right now completely useless to me.
Apparently the gates of hell have opened and spewed forth millions of
undead whose brain has decomposed to a degree that they consider Windows
an operating system. And several thousand of them came to the qmail
list and made it completely worthless to waste time reading it or even
reading the subjects to find emails that are actually worth reading.
No, we are not in an ideal world. But there is no reason why Robin
shouldn't be allowed to at least have fun with the army of darkness that
has invaded here. If a zombie using Outlook (that alone warrants an
afterlife in hell) is allowed to post his drivel here, not being able to
quote properly, having more spelling errors than words, not being able
to state his question in a way that makes an answer even possible,...
then Robin is OF COURSE allowed to make fun of him. In public.
If a single zombie leaves this list because of that, it was worth it.
> In the real world, your mail server is crashing every three days, it's on a
> non-multitasking OS, on proprietary software. It auths out of a flat text
> file. Oh, and 1200 users are going to jump up and down on your corpse if
> you don't come up with something pronto.
I don't know in what world you are living, but not in mine.
None of my production mail servers ever crashed on me.
The reason may be that I only touch stuff that I understand.
You should try that, too. It really helps.
And if you really do have 1200 users, you should hire someone to install
qmail for you instead of breaking anything by touching vital systems
yourself.
Having an incompetent pimple faced fresh-from-windoze-college system
administrator install an MTA for 1200 users is so stupid that you
deserve all the pain you get for that.
> Linux scares you and you can barely get it installed and to a reasonably
> recent patch level. You don't understand users and groups. File
> permissions are a mystery. You know a teeny bit of C and nothing about
> Perl but you have the llama book. You don't really understand cron, chmod,
> chgrp, or adduser. You have JUST figured out how to look at man pages
> with different numbers.
Do you try to repair your engine when your car breaks down and you have
no clue? Do you? If your parachute looks like it the tear lines are
missing, will you use duct tape and fix it yourself just before you jump?
No, of course not!
Would you subscribe to some goofy mailing list and pester people whose
names you wouldn't even remember about your engine?
You would drive to a garage and have an expert look at your problem.
And the same should be true for your email setup.
There is no excuse for idiotic DIY lusers who need to prove themselves
how manly they are by "fixing" your email server.
"If Jones can do it, I can do it!"
"Look? It says 'easy to use' right here on the box!"
> For those who never ever asked "what's a compiler?", for those who never
> deleted /dev/null or other relatively important part of the system, for
> those who never undertook a project with half-vast clue, for those who
> never failed to solve a bloody obvious problem without asking for help --
> my hat's off to you. Ya'll are smarter, better folk than I am.
It's not a question of intelligence.
It's a question of ethics and moral.
If I have the choice to bother one friend or three hundred people all
over the world, and some of them even have to pay just to download the
dumb question, I would OF COURSE ask my friend!
And it's not just that I don't want to bother people without need.
Remember that there are potentially thousands of people on mailing
lists. Many of them are just there to get their own dumb questions
answered.
It is not unheard of that there are conflicting answers, and all of them
may be incorrect!
> For those who are where I was...Try. Try again. Reread the documentation
> at least twice, hopefully three times. Read the FAQ. Remove and reinstall
> the software. Do all of the tests that come with the install package.
> Read the hints at the bottom of the qmail web page, plus check out the
> other web pages referred to therein. Read the man pages for
> qmail/tcpserver/whatever. Try again. And again. Restart qmail, just for
> giggles.
Uh, excuse me, but where did you learn your trade? On Windows? Not at all?
I am happy that you didn't say we should reboot our servers from time to
time, "just to make sure"?
Try to understand the problem.
Try again.
Use ps, strace and lsof to understand what is happening.
Read the documentation.
The punch line was correct, though. Only bother others when you have
spent at least one day with the problem and slept over it.
Felix
Hi,
I'm using multilog, so it write the current log in the current file. I
like to see to current file with tail -f current, but when it switch the
log, the tail process stops, so I need to Control-C and tail -f current
again. I've already tried tail -f --retry current and nothing... How can I
solve this?
Thanks,
Ari
Am Donnerstag, 30. November 2000 22:09 schrieb Ari Arantes Filho:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using multilog, so it write the current log in the current file. I
> like to see to current file with tail -f current, but when it switch the
> log, the tail process stops, so I need to Control-C and tail -f current
> again. I've already tried tail -f --retry current and nothing... How can I
> solve this?
Without naming your OS it's not easy to answer... and tail --version would
help to.
OpenBSDs tail -f works, FreeBSD needs tail -F, gnu tail needs --follow=name.
> Thanks,
>
> Ari
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Ari Arantes Filho wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using multilog, so it write the current log in the current file. I
> like to see to current file with tail -f current, but when it switch the
> log, the tail process stops, so I need to Control-C and tail -f current
> again. I've already tried tail -f --retry current and nothing... How can I
> solve this?
Get the GNU textutils package version 2.0a or later. Use
tail -f --follow=name --retry /var/log/qmail/current
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Thanks, it worked:
tail --follow=name --retry current
or
tail -f --follow=name --retry current
tail (GNU textutils) 2.0e - RedHat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Samuel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ari Arantes Filho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: Multilog
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Ari Arantes Filho wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm using multilog, so it write the current log in the current file.
I
> > like to see to current file with tail -f current, but when it switch the
> > log, the tail process stops, so I need to Control-C and tail -f current
> > again. I've already tried tail -f --retry current and nothing... How can
I
> > solve this?
>
> Get the GNU textutils package version 2.0a or later. Use
>
> tail -f --follow=name --retry /var/log/qmail/current
>
> --
> Regards
> Peter
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> Peter Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.e-smith.org (development) http://www.e-smith.com (corporate)
> Phone: +1 613 368 4398 Fax: +1 613 564 7739
> e-smith, inc. 1500-150 Metcalfe St, Ottawa, ON K2P 1P1 Canada
>
> "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left"
>
>
Dear All,
Many thanks to all those who have helped and apologies to those who felt
aggrieved at a qmail virgin, mailing to ask for assistance. It is not a
matter of being cerebrally challenged for us newbies. In our respective
disciplines we are all competent creatures, however when facing a new
paradigm as I have had to do; with the commercial clock ticking the
sphincter does tighten somewhat. Lets not get drawn into the petulant and
counterproductive arena, deriding those less knowledgeable than ourselves is
not commensurate with the undoubted qmail intelligentsia that I have the
pleasure of being helped by. For myself the jibes are not a problem but for
others more sensitive than myself it can be soul destroying.
Thanks.
well roared, lion
Louis Mushandu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>...cerebrally...sphincter...petulant...commensurate...intelligentsia...
Wow, Louis, you sure do use some purdy fancy words for a newbie.
-Dave
Am Don, 30 Nov 2000 schrieb Dave Sill:
> Louis Mushandu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >...cerebrally...sphincter...petulant...commensurate...intelligentsia...
>
> Wow, Louis, you sure do use some purdy fancy words for a newbie.
>
> -Dave
they really are fancy ones, i only knew one of them ;)
Anton Pirnat
Is the /var/qmail/alias directory supposed to be set
drwxr-sr-x
mine got that way somehow...and...
all of my ezmlm mailing lists are getting set drwx--S---, which is breaking
them.
Barry Smoke
Network Admin.
Bryant Public Schools
Bryant, AR
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 03:41:18PM -0600, Barry Smoke wrote:
> Is the /var/qmail/alias directory supposed to be set
> drwxr-sr-x
alex@buick:~$ ls -ld ~alias/
drwxr-sr-x 2 alias qmail 4096 Oct 12 21:34 /var/qmail/alias/
Looks fine here. For future reference, run make check if you suspect
the qmail tree may be incorrect.
> mine got that way somehow...and...
> all of my ezmlm mailing lists are getting set drwx--S---, which is breaking
> them.
How?
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I cannot decide whose fault it is, mutt or qmail, but I cannot send
messages to addresses written in the form
"foobar"@thales.memphis.edu
My reading of rfc822 is that such a message should be dropped into
foobar's mailbox on thales.memphis.edu.
So I just do
echo | mutt '"foobar"@thales.memphis.edu'
and I get, in the bounce,
Hi. This is the qmail-send program at thales.memphis.edu.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
<"foobar"@thales.memphis.edu>:
Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1)
--- Below this line is a copy of the message.
Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Received: (qmail 18112 invoked by uid 502); 30 Nov 2000 21:18:39 -0000
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:18:39 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "foobar"@thales.memphis.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i
pine behaves similarly, but when I use qmail-inject, it removes the
quotes around foobar before sending the message.
Finally, I remark that specifying "foobar"@thales.memphis.edu during
an smtp conversation as `rcpt to:' is fine; the quotes get removed.
My impression is that mutt just simply puts <> around the address
without removing the quotes ""---hence creating an invalid address in
case of "foobar"@thales.memphis.edu.
Thx
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On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 12:55:33PM -0800, Barley wrote:
> I think you're worng.
STOP THIS BULLSHIT. NOW! IT'S ALREADY MORE THAN ENOUGH.
And if you think you must continue, take it to private mail.
\Maex
From: Markus Stumpf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>STOP THIS BULLSHIT. NOW! IT'S ALREADY MORE THAN ENOUGH.
"...a dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack
of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of
gentle manners, is more significant than a riot.
This symptom is especially serious in that an individual displaying it never
thinks of it as a sign of ill health but as proof of his/her strength." -
Robert Anson Heinlein
Isn't it interesting that Stumf, Leitner and Socha all come from Germany?
Just a coincidence, I suppose.
'nough said.
Armando
> Isn't it interesting that Stumf, Leitner and Socha all come from Germany?
> Just a coincidence, I suppose.
And that they all talk sweepingly of "genetic superiority"? I thought I was
the only one who noticed...
>
> 'nough said.
>
> Armando
>
>
>
>
>
Barley wrote:
> And that they all talk sweepingly of "genetic superiority"? I thought I
was
> the only one who noticed...
Let's see, if USENET history is any indication, flame wars usually die down
the moment people start calling each other Nazis. Glad to see this one's
almost over.
By the way, for what it's worth, my installation of Outlook Express seems to
do replies the way its supposed to: "Re: " in the subject line, and a
"References: " field in the header to keep the archive happy. I'm not
saying this on behalf of Microsoft, but merely on behalf of me when I beg
you not to set up filters based on what email client somebody is using. I'm
good! Really I am!
---Kris Kelley
Am Freitag, 1. Dezember 2000 00:54 schrieb asantos:
> Isn't it interesting that Stumf, Leitner and Socha all come from Germany?
> Just a coincidence, I suppose.
What about writing a rule for your mailer: if ( $sender =~ /.de$/ ) { kill
mail; }. Then you can happily read all the lusers bullshit without being
disturbed by us nazis tryin to get world domination. Maybe you won't get the
3rd world war announcement Germany will surely start soon, anyway.
--
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Hostmaster BSWS | Roedingsmarkt 14
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | 20459 Hamburg
www.bsws.de | Germany
From: Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Isn't it interesting that Stumf, Leitner and Socha all come from Germany?
>> Just a coincidence, I suppose.
>
>What about writing a rule for your mailer: if ( $sender =~ /.de$/ ) { kill
>mail; }. Then you can happily read all the lusers bullshit without being
>disturbed by us nazis tryin to get world domination. Maybe you won't get
the
>3rd world war announcement Germany will surely start soon, anyway.
Sorry, I'll rephrase that:
"Isn't it interesting that Stumf, Leitner, Socha and Brauer all come from
Germany?
Just a coincidence, I suppose."
I didn't mention nazis, NSAP or world domination. I hope I haven't struck a
raw nerve there.
As for that perly thing... can you please rewrite it in Plankalkul?
Armando
On Fri, 01 Dec 2000, Henning Brauer wrote:
> What about writing a rule for your mailer: if ( $sender =~ /.de$/ ) {
> kill mail; }. Then you can happily read all the lusers bullshit
> without being disturbed by us nazis tryin to get world domination.
> Maybe you won't get the 3rd world war announcement Germany will
> surely start soon, anyway.
Bwah, if you are happy with sending another few million of your youth
to die in the battlefields, then go ahead. But a better idea would be
a civil war, that way the rest of the world won't take you accountable
for anything this time (and surely you'll win this time).
Sorry, couldn't help it.
--
"California no longer exists, the dream is long dead ..."
- Mediterraneo -
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 03:21:40PM -0800, Barley wrote:
> > Isn't it interesting that Stumf, Leitner and Socha all come from Germany?
> > Just a coincidence, I suppose.
>
> And that they all talk sweepingly of "genetic superiority"? I thought I was
> the only one who noticed...
Isn't it funny, how *some* people that live in a country and a culture
- that killed thousands of black people
- that killed thousands of red indians
- that killed thousands of people with the atomic bomb
- that killed thousands of people in Vietnam
- that still has racial discrimination in their own country
- that has a Ku Klux Clan
- that practises capital punishment
- who's number of nazi supporters outnumbers those in the rest of the
world
- who has the highest crime rate in "western civilation"
- where it is forbidden to show naked breasts (you know the things you got
your first meal from in your life) on TV, but it is prefectly ok
to broadcast a detailed sequence of a man chopping off the head of
another man with a chainsaw during children's hour
still feel so superior to the rest of the world?
And isn't it funny that the same people at the end always come down to
calling every German a nazi, really a sign of high grade intelligence and
that really "indicates a broader understanding of things".
Oh, and isn't it interesting that Barley, asantos and Collins all use
Microsoft MUAs? And did you notice that their names don't contain the
vowel "u"? Just a coincidence, I suppose ...
A few people on this list have asked to stop that thread. But I think
it was too well hidden for you to understand. So I posted some capital
letters. Maybe you still didn't understand, maybe you're one of those who
always have to have the last word/post.
Hey, hurry up, send a reply and you've won!
\Maex
Am Donnerstag, 30. November 2000 22:21 schrieb Horacio:
> On Fri, 01 Dec 2000, Henning Brauer wrote:
> > What about writing a rule for your mailer: if ( $sender =~ /.de$/ ) {
> > kill mail; }. Then you can happily read all the lusers bullshit
> > without being disturbed by us nazis tryin to get world domination.
> > Maybe you won't get the 3rd world war announcement Germany will
> > surely start soon, anyway.
>
> Bwah, if you are happy with sending another few million of your youth
> to die in the battlefields, then go ahead. But a better idea would be
> a civil war, that way the rest of the world won't take you accountable
> for anything this time (and surely you'll win this time).
I'm getting the impression you haven't got the irony.
> Sorry, couldn't help it.
--
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Hostmaster BSWS | Roedingsmarkt 14
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | 20459 Hamburg
www.bsws.de | Germany
> Isn't it funny, how *some* people that live in a country and a culture
> - that killed thousands of black people
> - that killed thousands of red indians
> - that killed thousands of people with the atomic bomb
> - that killed thousands of people in Vietnam
You forgot the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, both in the war and
after, whom we're still trodding under the boots of our puppet apparatus,
the so called "United Nations."
--
gowen -- Greg Owen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Markus Stumpf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001130 20:23]:
> Isn't it funny, how *some* people that live in a country and a culture
> - that killed thousands of black people
[snip]
Yeah yeah yeah, at least *we* know that David Hasselhof is talentless.
/pg
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of programming.
--- Larry Wall
Thus spake Markus Stumpf ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> - who has the highest crime rate in "western civilation"
> - where it is forbidden to show naked breasts (you know the things you got
> your first meal from in your life) on TV, but it is prefectly ok
> to broadcast a detailed sequence of a man chopping off the head of
> another man with a chainsaw during children's hour
> still feel so superior to the rest of the world?
Heck, they can't even elect a president ;-)
Who can take a country seriously where ten percent of the population are
in prison?
Felix
Thus spake Barley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> And that they all talk sweepingly of "genetic superiority"? I thought I was
> the only one who noticed...
It was you who brought that term up.
Felix
I have been watching the many hundreds of lines of silliness over the
last day or so. Folks these arguments make no sense. To me its a case of
the more newbie's the better.
Because, that means more people spread the word, more corporations, more
installs, more cock-up's, more success stories, more work for the
experts, more input from the field, release 1.04. That's the foundation
of the open source movement.
That's the way open source is supposed to work. Make it open, spread the
word, provide a community of support, encourage others. Soon it can't be
stopped - Linux style.
Forget the grammar, forget the spelling, forget the soup nazi's -
realize where the bread is buttered. Kill the newbie's and you kill the
product. If they ask a stupid question, ignore it - quite easy really.
Bandwidth arguments are a poor excuse.
Regards
Malcolm
Am Freitag, 1. Dezember 2000 00:42 schrieb Malcolm Silberman:
> Because, that means more people spread the word, more corporations, more
> installs, more cock-up's, more success stories, more work for the
> experts, more input from the field, release 1.04. That's the foundation
> of the open source movement.
Newbies didn't do their homework, didn't read documentation, without any unix
knowledge and didn't think of who may answer don't make qmail any better.
> Regards
> Malcolm
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On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 02:10:33AM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote:
> Am Freitag, 1. Dezember 2000 00:42 schrieb Malcolm Silberman:
>
> > Because, that means more people spread the word, more corporations, more
> > installs, more cock-up's, more success stories, more work for the
> > experts, more input from the field, release 1.04. That's the foundation
> > of the open source movement.
>
> Newbies didn't do their homework, didn't read documentation, without any unix
> knowledge and didn't think of who may answer don't make qmail any better.
>
And also, this isn't about open source. This is about IT, about newbies,
and where this bussiness and life of ours are heading to.
Even if it was open source... Do you truly believe that whining,
documentophobic newbies can contribute anything at all?
RC
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* Malcolm Silberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001130 18:47]:
> I have been watching the many hundreds of lines of silliness over the
> last day or so. Folks these arguments make no sense. To me its a case of
> the more newbie's the better.
ObFlame: IT'S ``newbies'' MORON.
;)
> Because, that means more people spread the word, more corporations, more
> installs, more cock-up's, more success stories, more work for the
> experts, more input from the field, release 1.04. That's the foundation
> of the open source movement.
(Yikes, what's a cock-up? Doesn't sound like something *I'd* strive for...)
Anyway, it doesn't seem like Dan is completely sold on what you term ``the
foundation of the open source movement.'' I venture to say that many open
source people relish the idea of everyone using open source software; I
don't believe that Dan (or many on this list) thinks that qmail is for
everyone. That's not to say qmail isn't the best solution for almost every
situation, but it isn't the best solution for every mail admin.
It's been said before, but if you are brand-spanking-new to *nix and
sysadmin stuff, you probably don't have any business running a production
mail server. Yes, many people inherit the job, but they need to display some
/cajones/ in telling their bosses that they aren't equipped to do the job
(at least, at their current level of knowledge).
The true strength of open source software is not having a goal of X
installations or having Y drooling followers of ``the cause''. (The growing
popularity of Linux has largely perpetuated this myth.) The true strength is
having all of the necessary documentation at ones fingertips--the source
code. It means being able to modify programs to do *exactly* what you need,
when what you need isn't something the original author knew how to do, knew
to include, or wanted to support.
For having all of the necessary documentation, qmail is head and shoulders
above almost any package available, at least that I've found. Its
simplicity, together with the documentation (both included and
user-contributed) and e-mail archives, make it almost entirely possible to
configure without any interaction whatsoever with supporting people. But
yeah, it assumes you know a little bit. If that doesn't float your boat, you
might consider using sendmail; it's installed on RedHat by default and they
would, no doubt, be willing to hold your hand during installation. (For a
price, of course...) Or simply outsourcing your e-mail to Critical Path or
the like.
> That's the way open source is supposed to work. Make it open, spread the
> word, provide a community of support, encourage others. Soon it can't be
> stopped - Linux style.
As an example, many Linux distros are deadnut simple to install these days.
However, ask a fairly inane question on the linux-kernel mailing list (say,
``How can I support USB in my kernel? I did make but it didn't work.'') and
see how friendly your open source Linux community is. :)
> Forget the grammar, forget the spelling, forget the soup nazi's -
> realize where the bread is buttered. Kill the newbie's and you kill the
> product.
qmail does not rely on newbies for success. Nor does it rely on *any*
popular demands, ultimately. If it did, it would probably end up hugely
bloated and inefficient and insecure with tons of ``features'' because one
person thought they were great. (See...well, just about any other mailer out
there. :) It is programmer/author-driven FAR more than it is
consumer-driven, and I would venture to say that it will stay that way.
qmail succeeds because Dan is a darn good programmer, and because it is just
elegant.
/pg
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--- Larry Wall
Thus spake Malcolm Silberman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> I have been watching the many hundreds of lines of silliness over the
> last day or so. Folks these arguments make no sense. To me its a case of
> the more newbie's the better.
> Because, that means more people spread the word, more corporations, more
> installs, more cock-up's, more success stories, more work for the
> experts, more input from the field, release 1.04. That's the foundation
> of the open source movement.
I beg to differ.
The more newbies get on my nerves as a software author, the more I get
discouraged to release new versions because they will attract even more
idiots that will pester me to demand help following the idiot-proof
documentation.
Many a software author got burn-out this way.
I am currently mostly developing software that is expressly not targeted
at Redhat lusers, because I have no intention to get even more dumb
emails.
> That's the way open source is supposed to work.
Maybe.
Open Source is for suits like you.
Free Software, in contrast, is supposed to work like this:
I write good software.
Others help me.
The software gets better.
Currently, it's more like this:
I write good software.
Millions of brain-dead lusers ask dumb questions.
I get discouraged and stop supporting my product.
Some newbie takes over the project and the quality goes down the drain.
> Make it open, spread the word, provide a community of support,
> encourage others. Soon it can't be stopped - Linux style.
I don't care for software that can't be stopped.
We had that before with MS-DOS and Windows.
I care for high quality software.
> Forget the grammar, forget the spelling, forget the soup nazi's -
> realize where the bread is buttered. Kill the newbie's and you kill the
> product. If they ask a stupid question, ignore it - quite easy really.
> Bandwidth arguments are a poor excuse.
Malcolm, please go back to your business school.
Your disguise as open source apostle failed miserably when you took the
word "product" in your mouth.
I write software, not products.
Felix
From: Felix von Leitner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> Free Software, in contrast, is supposed to work like this:
>
> I write good software.
> Others help me.
> The software gets better.
This is a very selfish view. Based on these statements, you only care about
software in so much as you can gain from it. This is a key difference
between you and I.
> Currently, it's more like this:
>
> I write good software.
> Millions of brain-dead lusers ask dumb questions.
> I get discouraged and stop supporting my product.
> Some newbie takes over the project and the quality goes
> down the drain.
Are you trying to say that only you can write quality software, or that no
one can match your quality?
Jamin W. Collins
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 05:06:34PM -0700, Scott D. Yelich wrote:
>
> Was the issue about an MX pointing to a CNAME ever resolved?
Yes: don't do it.
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Quoting Henning Brauer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Am Freitag, 1. Dezember 2000 00:54 schrieb asantos:
>
> > Isn't it interesting that Stumf, Leitner and Socha all come from Germany?
> > Just a coincidence, I suppose.
>
> What about writing a rule for your mailer: if ( $sender =~ /.de$/ ) { kill
> mail; }. Then you can happily read all the lusers bullshit without being
> disturbed by us nazis tryin to get world domination. Maybe you won't get the
> 3rd world war announcement Germany will surely start soon, anyway.
Die habe ich bereits gestern angeordnet, mein F�h^W^WHenning. Seit 7:34
wird zur�ckgeschrieben.
Could we end this? Prettyplease? reply-to set.
On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 02:41:13PM -0800, Russ Ringer wrote:
> I'm using qmail 1.03/spamcontrol 1.03 (yes, I know, I haven't put in 1.04 yet) and
>have a list of invalid names in badrcptto. It works most of the time, but
>occasionally, mail comes through to the bad rcptto name. The maillog shows the mail
>was blocked due to invalid recipient address, but it gets delivered anyway. I
>examined the mail and the rcpt to: match the file and the msg/log timestamps match.
If it slipped through you should see some information in the logfiles
right after the reject line like :
new msg 27065
info msg 27065: bytes 2462 from
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> qp 1469 uid 101
starting delivery 711036: msg 27065 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
delivery 711036: success: did_1+0+0/
end msg 27065
Could you please send those and also the line with the reject message
and the reject pattern?
\Maex
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Howdy,
is it possible to have qmail just remove the offending "Sender:"
field from all outgoing emails??
\\//_
Peter Samuel wrote:
>
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, montgomery f. tidwell wrote:
>
> > Howdy,
> >
> > i just noticed that mail sent out by my qmail server does
> > not put my domain in to the Sender: field. it is going
> > out as "Sender: mtidwell" and not "Sender:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> > like it should.
> >
> > what have i done wrong??
>
> Chosen to use Netscape as your MUA.
>
> This is a known problem with Netscape and has nothing to do with
> qmail. Normally it isn't a problem as well behaved MUAs will not use the
> Sender: field to generate a reply address, but unfortunately some broken
> systems do (I don't know off hand which ones they are). If the Sender:
> field is not fully qualified, this leads to the local MTA trying to
> deliver the message to:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> instead of
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> --
> Regards
> Peter
> ----------
> Peter Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.e-smith.org (development) http://www.e-smith.com (corporate)
> Phone: +1 613 368 4398 Fax: +1 613 564 7739
> e-smith, inc. 1500-150 Metcalfe St, Ottawa, ON K2P 1P1 Canada
>
> "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left"
|
Bah everyone has vented, yadda yadda
yadda...
nationality who cares, level of knowledge who
cares, qmail i care
let's get back to qmail
:>
rick
|
|
heh sorry for the html post and thanks Jamin
Collins :>
rick
|
I second that.
We are now at 114 messages about that one subject on this little list
with it's
<IRONIE> few </IRONIE> subscribers.
I'd say at the point we reached 100 it was far over the limit.
So please please all of you STOP IT.
You all have the e-mail adresses of the people involved, so if you need
to, go on via PM but not on the list.
Thank you all a lot.
Cyril Bitterich
sorry for all the tests. this is the only mail list that
will accept my Sender: messed up emails.
\\//_
Thus said "montgomery f. tidwell" on Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:59:32 PST:
> sorry for all the tests. this is the only mail list that
> will accept my Sender: messed up emails.
That's because qmail doesn't care about the Sender header...
Andy
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 9:51 AM
> To: Wong, Wing-Kin
> Subject: ezmlm response
>
> Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list.
>
> Acknowledgment: I have added the address
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> to this mailing list.
>
>
> See http://pobox.com/~djb/qmail.html for more information about qmail.
>
> Please read http://pobox.com/~djb/qmail/faq.html before sending your
> question to the qmail mailing list.
>
>
> --- Here are the ezmlm command addresses.
>
> I can handle administrative requests automatically.
> Just send an empty note to any of these addresses:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Receive future messages sent to the mailing list.
Dear all,
Are there any relationship between the both qmail log files of qmail-smtpd
and qmail-send?
If yes, how can i log the TCPREMOTEIP in the qmail-send log files?
Thanks a lot!
Best regards,
Kent Wong
Platform developer
PCCW-HKT
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:07:51AM +0800, Wong, Wing-Kin wrote:
> Are there any relationship between the both qmail log files of qmail-smtpd
> and qmail-send?
No, there is no direct relationsship.
> If yes, how can i log the TCPREMOTEIP in the qmail-send log files?
There is no support for this.
What we do (for accounting) is compile qmail with an extra delivery.
>From FAQ
8.2. How do I keep a copy of all incoming and outgoing mail messages?
Answer: Set QUEUE_EXTRA to "Tlog\0" and QUEUE_EXTRALEN to 5 in extra.h.
Recompile qmail.
We have a ~alias/.qmail-log that contains the line
| awk '/^$/ { exit } /^[mM][eE][sS][sS][aA][gG][eE]-/ { print }
|/^[rR][eE][cC][eE][iI][vV][eE][dD]:/ { r=r+1; if (r==2) print; }'
Now the logfile shows lines like that
new msg 376799
info msg 376799: bytes 765 from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> qp 20509 uid 101
starting delivery 570966: msg 376799 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
starting delivery 570975: msg 376799 to remote [EMAIL PROTECTED]
delivery 570966: success:
Received:_from_ns.space.net_(HELO_kronecker.space.net)_(195.30.0.1)/Message-ID:_<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/did_0+0+1/
delivery 570975: success:
195.30.1.25_accepted_message./Remote_host_said:_250_ok_975625194_qp_27212/
end msg 376799
you can read that like that
msg 376799 -> delivery 570966 this is the extra
-> delivery 570975 this is the "normal"
The extra goes to the script and outputs
Received:_from_ns.space.net_..._(195.30.0.1)
and the Message-Id. You can now parse this line and extract the IP
address. This IP address belongs to the host that injected msg 376799
delivery 570966 -> msg 376799
and now you know a lot about the message 376799
size 765 bytes
from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From-IP: 195.30.0.1
You didn't write what you need the information for. Probably this can
be easier accomplished by patching qmail-smtpd.c
We've modified ours to output lines like
spamcheck: pid 24861: addrallowed: ns.space.net:195.30.0.1
1:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sorry, I can't provide a patch, as the modification is part of a heavily
hacked qmail-1.01 smtp server.
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Howdy,
ok, i found the answer.
it is indeed Netscape that is being bad, not qmail.
the solution is to add the following line to the
preferences.js file:
user_pref("mail.suppress_sender_header", true);
\\//_
"montgomery f. tidwell" wrote:
>
> Howdy,
>
> is it possible to have qmail just remove the offending "Sender:"
> field from all outgoing emails??
>
> \\//_
>
> Peter Samuel wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, montgomery f. tidwell wrote:
> >
> > > Howdy,
> > >
> > > i just noticed that mail sent out by my qmail server does
> > > not put my domain in to the Sender: field. it is going
> > > out as "Sender: mtidwell" and not "Sender:
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> > > like it should.
> > >
> > > what have i done wrong??
> >
> > Chosen to use Netscape as your MUA.
> >
> > This is a known problem with Netscape and has nothing to do with
> > qmail. Normally it isn't a problem as well behaved MUAs will not use the
> > Sender: field to generate a reply address, but unfortunately some broken
> > systems do (I don't know off hand which ones they are). If the Sender:
> > field is not fully qualified, this leads to the local MTA trying to
> > deliver the message to:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > instead of
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > --
> > Regards
> > Peter
> > ----------
> > Peter Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://www.e-smith.org (development) http://www.e-smith.com (corporate)
> > Phone: +1 613 368 4398 Fax: +1 613 564 7739
> > e-smith, inc. 1500-150 Metcalfe St, Ottawa, ON K2P 1P1 Canada
> >
> > "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left"
Hi,
We are in serious trouble with a virus email named "branca de neve", I
guess when our user press "send/receive", about 10 emails are send to
world wide.
After two days minning, I find Andrew Pam (www.sericyb.com.au) script
that check if sender ("From: ") is in rccpthosts, but I don't know how to
use the script.
I try to:
1. rename "qmail-remote" to "qmail-remote.real"
2. create a file named "qmail-remote" with:
/var/bin/qmail/adbait.pl | /var/qmail/bin/qmail-remote.real "$*"
3. When I try send an email to the world, I receive "Unable_to_run_qmail-
remote"
4. I did chmod 775 on qmail-remote and adbait.pl
any idea??
TIA
att,
ronaldo miranda
www.divinet.com.br
www.isp.com.br
(37) 3222-8870 (37) 9963-8241
On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 2. create a file named "qmail-remote" with:
> /var/bin/qmail/adbait.pl | /var/qmail/bin/qmail-remote.real "$*"
shouldn't that file contain:
#!/bin/sh
/var/bin/qmail/adbait.pl | /var/qmail/bin/qmail-remote.real "$*"
or at least (on one line):
/usr/bin/perl /var/bin/qmail/adbait.pl |
/var/qmail/bin/qmail-remote.real "$*"
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I am going to setup a dedicated linux box that will run qmail only. What is
the most minimum package that I need to install from Red Hat 7.0 to be able
to run Qmail? I do not want unnecessary services/daemons running on that
box. I will also be installing the web based email package that runs on
qmail.
Thus said Andrew Buenaventura on Fri, 01 Dec 2000 11:56:36 +0800:
> I am going to setup a dedicated linux box that will run qmail only. What is
> the most minimum package that I need to install from Red Hat 7.0 to be able
> to run Qmail? I do not want unnecessary services/daemons running on that
> box. I will also be installing the web based email package that runs on
> qmail.
You really should know this---if you don't then I wouldn't recommend
trying to install qmail until you do. However, just to get you started,
you could probably get away with a minimal install and have everything
you need. Good luck.
Andy
p.s. Unless you are installing a binary RPM of qmail you will also need
to know how to compile and which packages are required for doing so.
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The proper libs used it will compile across any *nix os i have found.
Solaris (INTEL), SCO, multiple linux etc.
:>
Rick
you didn� t tell what services you need besides qmail, but i guess a minimal
install (that includes the compilers) should be enough. I am not used with RH
distribution, but at FBSD, SuSE and others it did work this way for me ..
regards
Anton Pirnat
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Can anybody tell me what mutt is doing with quotes?
First, I have the user f"oobar". It sends a subscription request as
echo | qmail-inject mw-dir-subscribe
ezmlm sends the address
"mw-dir-sc.975653611.cpoblgockgbjimoifkpb-f\"oobar\"=bbg.msci.memphis.edu"@bbg.msci.memphis.edu
in the reply-to: field of the confirmation request.
But when I reply to the confirmation request, mutt is trying to use
the address
"mw-dir-sc.975653611.cpoblgockgbjimoifkpb-f\ar\g.msci.memphis.edu"@bbg.msci.memphis.edu
I did this experiment to see why mutt cannot deal with
"foobar"@bbg.msci.memphis.edu
Normally, I'd expect the above to get delivered to the foobar user,
but instead, I get the bounce
<"foobar"@bbg.msci.memphis.edu>:
Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1)
Thx for any enlightment.
Mate
Hi,
I'm running rblsmtpd, according to the response of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] my RBL is working.
Problem: if any machine in the local sub-network (subnetwork: 10.1.7.*
with differents MAC, DNS) bombarding me all messages are delivred to my
mail server (my sub-network is 10.1.6.* differente MAC, DNS, but using
the same loacal router with the sub-net 10.1.7.* to go internet ) .
What is the problem?
Just a recommendation..
Book Title: "Pragmatics of Human Communication"
Author: Paul Watzlawik a.o.
ISBN: 0393010090
and now back to work..
Anton Pirnat
