qmail Digest 2 Dec 2000 11:00:00 -0000 Issue 1201
Topics (messages 53254 through 53343):
Information!
53254 by: Cleiton L. Siqueira
Re: more than 65535 accounts on one mail server
53255 by: Jenny Holmberg
Re: Minimum OS Requirement to run Qmail
53256 by: Peter Green
53259 by: Robin S. Socha
53261 by: Jamin Collins
53265 by: Wesley Wannemacher
53281 by: Felix von Leitner
53282 by: Felix von Leitner
53290 by: asantos
53299 by: Felix von Leitner
53305 by: Sean Truman
53327 by: Andrew Buenaventura
53334 by: asantos
Re: lets get back to the purpose of the mailing list
53257 by: Al Lipscomb
53258 by: Michael Maier
Re: Internal Spam
53260 by: rmiranda.i9sp.com.br
53280 by: Felix von Leitner
Re: [HELP] Domain in Sender: is missing
53262 by: Peter Samuel
Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)
53263 by: Charles Cazabon
53323 by: Matt Brown
53333 by: Scott D. Yelich
Re: [SOLUTION] Re: [HELP] Domain in Sender: is missing
53264 by: Peter Samuel
freebsd+qmail+vpopmail+mysql����
53266 by: emailsys
53269 by: Milen Petrinski
unsuscribe
53267 by: Angel Krustev
AntiVirus!
53268 by: Visar Emini
53270 by: Eric Garff
53275 by: Robin S. Socha
53283 by: Felix von Leitner
53291 by: Jerry Keene
53301 by: Felix von Leitner
53302 by: Lipscomb, Al
53304 by: Markus Stumpf
53309 by: Lipscomb, Al
53324 by: Matt Brown
53326 by: Felix von Leitner
53328 by: cfm.maine.com
53329 by: Matt Brown
53332 by: Al Lipscomb
I'm SO AFRAID!!, NO BODY KNOW RBLSMTPD WORKS????
53271 by: ouldm.linuxatbusiness.com
53272 by: David Dyer-Bennet
53273 by: Aaron L. Meehan
53274 by: Henning Brauer
53276 by: Hubbard, David
53342 by: Vincent Schonau
1.04---not
53277 by: Mate Wierdl
53278 by: Mark Delany
53284 by: Felix von Leitner
53288 by: David L. Nicol
53289 by: Mark Delany
53294 by: Lipscomb, Al
53298 by: Felix von Leitner
53306 by: Ian Lance Taylor
53311 by: Mark Delany
53312 by: Mark Delany
Re: Flaming newbie's makes no sense
53279 by: Felix von Leitner
Re: secrets and lies
53285 by: David L. Nicol
53303 by: Ian Lance Taylor
Bye
53286 by: Dave Sill
53295 by: Anton Pirnat
53297 by: Peter Cavender
53314 by: Jon Rust
Re: why didn't it send my msg?
53287 by: QBA
53292 by: QBA
53296 by: Mads E Eilertsen
53300 by: James Browning
53307 by: James Browning
53313 by: QBA
53325 by: Markus Stumpf
IsoQlog 1.3.1 released some Bugs fixed
53293 by: Ismail YENIGUL
feel like flamed or stupified?
53308 by: Mate Wierdl
53310 by: Jamin Collins
53315 by: Robin S. Socha
53316 by: Mate Wierdl
Forwarding
53317 by: Louis Mushandu
53319 by: Greg Owen
***APOLOGY: Please disregard my previous posting ie FORWARDING.** *
53318 by: Louis Mushandu
questions about qmail
53320 by: emailsys
53322 by: Robin S. Socha
Re: qmail startup error --xrealloc: cannot reallocate..
53321 by: Joost van Baal
[OT -- MUA related] Re: feel like flamed or stupified?
53330 by: Louis Theran
EZMLM web archive HELP PLEASE, DESPERATE!!
53331 by: Barry Smoke
"unable to locate alias user"
53335 by: Matthew Hunter
53337 by: Markus Stumpf
53338 by: Matthew Hunter
53339 by: asantos
53340 by: Matthew Hunter
qmail vpopmail - Help on logging remote IP
53336 by: qaz '
qmail with snmp
53341 by: reach_prashant.zeenext.com
Deleteing mail in queue
53343 by: Dennis
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Hi all,
I have some doubts about qmail-popup. I read the man of qmail-popup
and
I saw that exist some descriptors used by qmail-popup. My doubts are
about it.
Let me see if I figured out what man page says.
Qmail-popup expects descriptor 0 from the network, sent by a client
like a
Outlook or Messenger. This descriptor 0 has the information about
username
and password. After this qmail-popup writes to the network with
descriptor 1
and calls a subprogram (checkpassword) with the same descriptor 0 and 1.
The
second part of explanation I can't understand. Who uses the the
descriptors 2 and 3?
If qmail-popup uses descriptor 0 and 1 to read and write to network
why
are there descriptors 2 and 3?
What are these descriptors in POP's USER-PASS style?
Where I can find more information about this descriptors?
I need to know this due to I'd like to make my perl program catching
this
descriptors.
I need to access this descriptor, but I don�t know how I can catch
them.
Thanks in advance.
Cleiton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I admin quite a large mail server that is currently running
> sendmail/qpopper, it has about 60000 accounts on it currently. I know
> that UNIX has a limit on the UID's of 65534, any file that has a UID
> higher than that number defaults back to UID0..
That has been the case in the past, but a reasonably recent Solaris
(say after 2.6, I think, and I can't answer for HPUX or AIX or any of
the free version) has a very much higher limit:
gruk:/home/jch>grep MAXUID /usr/include/sys/param.h
#define MAXUID 2147483647 /* max user id */
If you have the chance to upgrade to an OS that supports more UIDS, I
would definitely suggest that.
That said, you'll still run into problems if your /etc/passwd grows
very big - but in our case, we were quite OK until it approached a
million entries, after which the qmail servers started getting
horrendous loads every time we updated passwd.
--
"I live in the heart of the machine. We are one."
* Andrew Buenaventura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001130 22:59]:
> I am going to setup a dedicated linux box that will run qmail only. What is
> the most minimum package that I need to install from Red Hat 7.0 to be able
> to run Qmail? I do not want unnecessary services/daemons running on that
> box. I will also be installing the web based email package that runs on
> qmail.
We don't worry so much about what is installed as what is being actively
run. Do your install, ``chkconfig --del'' *all* network services (including
inetd), install SSH for maintenance, install qmail. At that point, your
machine is only listening on ports 22 and 25. Oh, and don't allow any shell
users; avoid /etc/passwd entries if possible (use virtual domains and users
for qmail).
Above all, go check out <http://www.linuxdoc.org/> and read about other
security measures. Read about Trinity-OS (search Google for ``trinity''?).
Good luck!
/pg
--
Peter Green : Gospel Communications Network, SysAdmin : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
---
>Ever heard of .cshrc?
That's a city in Bosnia. Right?
(Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of commands.)
* Peter Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Andrew Buenaventura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001130 22:59]:
>> I am going to setup a dedicated linux box that will run qmail only.
>> What is the most minimum package that I need to install from Red Hat
>> 7.0
Why DeadRat? For a server, I'd go for a leaner distribution like
Slackware or Debian (i.e. one that won't install GNOME, 27 X-Servers and
4 RDBMs if you click "Server install"). Also, apply the following
liberally: LIDS: http://www.lids.org/.
Personally, I'd not go for Linux at all but rather for OpenBSD. But
that's another story.
>> to be able to run Qmail? I do not want unnecessary services/daemons
>> running on that box.
Then choose "expert" in the install screen and only install what you
need. Afterwards, weed /etc/xinetd.conf /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/.
>> I will also be installing the web based email package that runs on
>> qmail.
Webservers? Yummie... Good luck...
> We don't worry so much about what is installed as what is being
> actively run. Do your install, ``chkconfig --del'' *all* network
> services (including inetd),
Small aside: ever seen a virgin OpenBSD install? Nice contrast.
[...]
> Above all, go check out <http://www.linuxdoc.org/> and read about
> other security measures. Read about Trinity-OS (search Google for
> ``trinity''?).
Bastille Linux is another good search-phrase.
--
Robin S. Socha <http://socha.net/>
Robin S. Socha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> Why DeadRat? For a server, I'd go for a leaner distribution like
> Slackware or Debian (i.e. one that won't install GNOME, 27 X-Servers and
> 4 RDBMs if you click "Server install"). Also, apply the following
> liberally: LIDS: http://www.lids.org/.
RedHat doesn't install GNOME or even X if you choose a server install.
Here is the relavent section of RedHat/base/comps on RH7:
0 --hide Server {
@ Mail/WWW/News Tools
@ Web Server
@ Anonymous FTP Server
@ Printer Support
@ Networked Workstation
@ Dialup Workstation
@ Network Server
@ Network Management Workstation
@ Emacs
@ Development
@ Utilities
}
0 --hide Workstation Common {
@ Printer Support
@ X Window System
@ Mail/WWW/News Tools
@ DOS/Windows Connectivity
@ Utilities
@ Graphics Manipulation
@ Multimedia Support
@ Networked Workstation
@ Dialup Workstation
@ Authoring/Publishing
@ Emacs
@ Development
}
As you can see X is only installed under the Workstation install.
Jamin W. Collins
I built a qmail/web-based email server here using debian.
The system is as follows:
P5 133
128M RAM
9 Gig SCSI HD
To get everything running I used the following packages to
get everything running:
qmail-src
courier-imap
apache-php3
horde
imp
mysql-server
First install qmail and configure appropriately, then the other
packages will work with minimal configuration.
I like to avoid redhat (my preference). Debian is a cleaner
distro especially for building servers.
Wesley A. Wannemacher
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Instructor, Network Administrator
University of Northwestern Ohio
http://www.unoh.edu
> * Peter Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Andrew Buenaventura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001130 22:59]:
>
> >> I am going to setup a dedicated linux box that will run
> qmail only.
> >> What is the most minimum package that I need to install
> from Red Hat
> >> 7.0
>
> Why DeadRat? For a server, I'd go for a leaner distribution like
> Slackware or Debian (i.e. one that won't install GNOME, 27
> X-Servers and
> 4 RDBMs if you click "Server install"). Also, apply the following
> liberally: LIDS: http://www.lids.org/.
>
> >> to be able to run Qmail? I do not want unnecessary
> services/daemons
> >> running on that box.
>
> I am going to setup a dedicated linux box that will run qmail only. What is
> the most minimum package that I need to install from Red Hat 7.0 to be able
> to run Qmail? I do not want unnecessary services/daemons running on that
> box. I will also be installing the web based email package that runs on
> qmail.
If you don't know that, you should not be running any MTA.
If you can't find that out yourself, you should not be running any server.
No, not even a Quake server.
Hire someone who knows what he is doing and get him to do it for you.
Felix
Thus spake Wesley Wannemacher ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> To get everything running I used the following packages to
> get everything running:
> qmail-src
> courier-imap
> apache-php3
> horde
> imp
> mysql-server
horde is completely superfluous.
If you run a web based email service, then security is obviously not
important to you. You can as well run sendmail.
If you run mysqsl, stability and reliability are obviously not important
to you. You should be running sendmail, Postfix or Exim.
Felix
From: Felix von Leitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>If you run mysqsl, stability and reliability are obviously not important
>to you. You should be running sendmail, Postfix or Exim.
>
>Felix
I find MySQL to be reliable and stable. I only keep logs for 6 months, so in
the last 6 months I've had MySQL 3.22.23 running for vpopmail-3.4.11-2 over
qmail-1.03+ezmlm-0.53, managing more than 260 virtual domains (about 500
Maildirs, many of which are "catch-all" accounts for a single domain), with
a overall trafic of more than 85000 messages a month, of which roughly 90%
are incoming. Not a single failure in the above software. That's on Linux
2.2.14 SMP.
Is this the cue for "profile, don't speculate"?
Armando
Thus spake asantos ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> I find MySQL to be reliable and stable.
Good luck to you, then.
You will need it.
> I only keep logs for 6 months, so in
> the last 6 months I've had MySQL 3.22.23 running for vpopmail-3.4.11-2 over
> qmail-1.03+ezmlm-0.53, managing more than 260 virtual domains (about 500
> Maildirs, many of which are "catch-all" accounts for a single domain), with
> a overall trafic of more than 85000 messages a month, of which roughly 90%
> are incoming. Not a single failure in the above software. That's on Linux
> 2.2.14 SMP.
> Is this the cue for "profile, don't speculate"?
If your servers never crash and you never have unexpected hardware
failures, mysql may be for you.
Mysql users are consistently being bitten by data loss when one of their
servers crashes. Mysql is notorious for being "SQL for kids", i.e. fine
for playing around but not for production use. Use an SQL database that
offers transactional integrity instead.
Mysql recently added transactional integrity by integrating Berkeley DB,
which is the single database that caused the most data loss on all of my
machines combined. I would never use anything relying on Berkeley DB
ever again. You just need to look at their source code to see what I
mean.
But in the end, the choice is yours. But don't whine when you use Mysql
and lose all your data eventually. Keep good and current backups. If
your data are read-only, then Mysql may even be a prudent choice.
Felix
No mean to start a Flame but!
A) Web based being a security threat! You have to be kidding right?????
Ever hear of SSL.
B) mysql being unreliable and unstable for use. WRONG again. There are
several! Have a look for yourself.
http://www.mysql.com/information/users.html. I will mention YAHOO!
And please just because you are having a bad day. Don't express it to the
people on this list. It is list courtesy.
Sean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix von Leitner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: Minimum OS Requirement to run Qmail
> Thus spake Wesley Wannemacher ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > To get everything running I used the following packages to
> > get everything running:
> > qmail-src
> > courier-imap
> > apache-php3
> > horde
> > imp
> > mysql-server
>
> horde is completely superfluous.
>
> If you run a web based email service, then security is obviously not
> important to you. You can as well run sendmail.
>
> If you run mysqsl, stability and reliability are obviously not important
> to you. You should be running sendmail, Postfix or Exim.
>
> Felix
Felix,
Thank you very much for your very polite reply. I have been a Windows user
for the past 6 years and an Exchange admin for 3 years. The reason why I am
planning to migrate to linux is because it is free, very stable, and most
importantly, lists/communities (i.e. gurus like you) like this exists to
help newbies like me.
Since you are very knowledgeable with MTAs/Qmail, please feel free to block
all postings coming from me so as not to make your bad day even worse with
my very basic qustions.
-----Original Message-----
From: Felix von Leitner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 2:41 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Minimum OS Requirement to run Qmail
> I am going to setup a dedicated linux box that will run qmail only. What
is
> the most minimum package that I need to install from Red Hat 7.0 to be
able
> to run Qmail? I do not want unnecessary services/daemons running on that
> box. I will also be installing the web based email package that runs on
> qmail.
If you don't know that, you should not be running any MTA.
If you can't find that out yourself, you should not be running any server.
No, not even a Quake server.
Hire someone who knows what he is doing and get him to do it for you.
Felix
From: Felix von Leitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Good luck to you, then.
>You will need it.
No luck involved.
>If your servers never crash and you never have unexpected hardware
>failures, mysql may be for you.
I've had hardware failures on the servers, and power failures. No problem
with MySQL. But see below.
>Mysql users are consistently being bitten by data loss when one of their
>servers crashes. Mysql is notorious for being "SQL for kids", i.e. fine
>for playing around but not for production use. Use an SQL database that
>offers transactional integrity instead.
Which just goes to show that you don't know what you're talking about. The
architecture that I described in the previous message does not require
transactions (nor the code bloat that cames with support for it). It's a
single, non relational, lookup:
select pw_name, pw_passwd, pw_uid.... from vpopmail where pw_name='abcdef'
and pw_domain='ghijk.com';
The (infrequent) updates to the database occur when a user is added or a
password is changed, and even then its a single row update. Transactional ou
relational integrity are not needed.
That being said, I encouraje you to thing about the nature and filosophy of
qmail: simple modules, interconnected, each doing its part of the work. Why
in hell would I need Oracle or Sybase or whatever when what I need is a
simple lookup and a modicum of scaling capability?
>Mysql recently added transactional integrity by integrating Berkeley DB,
>which is the single database that caused the most data loss on all of my
>machines combined. I would never use anything relying on Berkeley DB
>ever again. You just need to look at their source code to see what I
>mean.
I don't use MySQL for a work that is not cut for it. I don't even really
care about SQL in the present case. And I mistrust beta versions. That's why
I don't get burned, as the track record I mentioned proves.
>But in the end, the choice is yours. But don't whine when you use Mysql
>and lose all your data eventually. Keep good and current backups. If
>your data are read-only, then Mysql may even be a prudent choice.
Who's whining? Again, "profile, don't speculate". And please try and be
consistent, you wrote a 3kb message concluding with a single sentence
contradiction to everything else in the message.
Armando
On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 07:15:27AM +0100, Cyril Bitterich wrote:
> I second that.
>
> We are now at 114 messages about that one subject on this little list
What is so funny is that one of the people who was at the heart of this gave a
reason of haveing to pay for each message download. Well at least now I have
my $0.02 worth in :)
> What is so funny is that one of the people who was at the heart of this gave a
> reason of haveing to pay for each message download. Well at least now I have
> my $0.02 worth in :)
rofl, you pay for Traffic? You must have been from Yesterday! ;-))
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When I do that, Qmail can't send and log::
Failure: I_(qmail-remote)_was_invoked_improperly._(#5.3.5)/
On 1 Dec 2000, at 0:15, Butch Evans wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > 2. create a file named "qmail-remote" with:
> > /var/bin/qmail/adbait.pl | /var/qmail/bin/qmail-remote.real "$*"
>
> shouldn't that file contain:
>
> #!/bin/sh
>
> /var/bin/qmail/adbait.pl | /var/qmail/bin/qmail-remote.real "$*"
>
>
> or at least (on one line):
>
> /usr/bin/perl /var/bin/qmail/adbait.pl |
> /var/qmail/bin/qmail-remote.real "$*"
>
>
> --
> Butch Evans
> Shelton Internet
> Network Admin
att,
ronaldo miranda
www.divinet.com.br
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(37) 3222-8870 (37) 9963-8241
> When I do that, Qmail can't send and log::
> Failure: I_(qmail-remote)_was_invoked_improperly._(#5.3.5)/
1. learn how to quote
2. if you change stuff without understanding it, and that results in
problems for you, tough luck.
Read the fucking man page for qmail-remote. It clearly states
everything you need to know.
Felix
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, montgomery f. tidwell wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> is it possible to have qmail just remove the offending "Sender:"
> field from all outgoing emails??
Yes. No. Maybe.
It all depends on how the message is getting to qmail. As you're using
netscape, you are sending mail from netscape to the MTA via SMTP. You
could arrange for a wrapper program around qmail-queue to strip the
header. Or you could wrap qmail-remote to do the same thing.
The better question to ask is
Is it causing you grief, and if so, how?
It isn't a qmail problem, so you might be better off using a different
MUA, or you could grab Mozilla, patch it to not use Sender: and be
happy. If it's a downstream issue, can you get the downstream side to
use a different MUA?
--
Regards
Peter
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Peter Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.e-smith.org (development) http://www.e-smith.com (corporate)
Phone: +1 613 368 4398 Fax: +1 613 564 7739
e-smith, inc. 1500-150 Metcalfe St, Ottawa, ON K2P 1P1 Canada
"If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left"
Scott D. Yelich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Was the issue about an MX pointing to a CNAME ever resolved?
Yes; it's verboten. If you do it, don't expect to receive 100% of the mail
people try to send to you.
Also; please start a new thread when posting a new question; your message
showed up in the middle of the "Newbies -- fried, or flame-broiled?" thread.
Charles
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"Aaron L. Meehan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I've said enough. Pretty close to adding a rule for *Outlook* and
> *Inernet Mail Service* (heh, "Service!") into my .procmailrc, though,
> for mails to this list, with the SNR getting so bad among you all.
The only problem with doing that is the clueful admins with clueless
management who force everyone to use the Corporate Email Solution, ie
Outlook. Not me right now, but it was me in my last job.
-Matt
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On 1 Dec 2000, Matt Brown wrote:
> The only problem with doing that is the clueful admins with clueless
> management who force everyone to use the Corporate Email Solution, ie
> Outlook. Not me right now, but it was me in my last job.
Agreed. At my last consulting job... it took over 3 weeks to get the
corporate email set up... once it was set up, I had mail waiting before
I even got in the first time. The third message was a virus from
someone I didn't even know (in the company). Everyone was forced to use
outlook/express - no ifs-and-or-buts ....
one guy insisted emailing mailing lists with this whereabouts...
"I'm going to lunch now" ... "I'm going to be 30 minutes
late getting in this morning" ... etc.
Scott
ps: qmail qmail qmail qmail qmail
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, montgomery f. tidwell wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> ok, i found the answer.
>
> it is indeed Netscape that is being bad, not qmail.
>
> the solution is to add the following line to the
> preferences.js file:
>
> user_pref("mail.suppress_sender_header", true);
Excellent. Thanks for that.
--
Regards
Peter
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Peter Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.e-smith.org (development) http://www.e-smith.com (corporate)
Phone: +1 613 368 4398 Fax: +1 613 564 7739
e-smith, inc. 1500-150 Metcalfe St, Ottawa, ON K2P 1P1 Canada
"If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left"
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Hi everybody...
I have qmail & vpopmail running on Linux machine and I was thinking on
installing an antivirus on my mailserver, does anyone have any suggestions
about this issue?!
Thanks for your time
V.
Visar Emini wrote:
> Hi everybody...
>
> I have qmail & vpopmail running on Linux machine and I was thinking on
> installing an antivirus on my mailserver, does anyone have any suggestions
> about this issue?!
>
> Thanks for your time
>
> V.
Before you get flamed by everyone for asking a "obvious" question, here is a
link that will help you in your
search: http://www.qmail.org/top.html#microsoft
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* Visar Emini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have qmail & vpopmail running on Linux machine and I was thinking
> on installing an antivirus on my mailserver, does anyone have any
> suggestions about this issue?!
http://qmail.org/ - how many seconds did you search the archives?
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Thus spake Visar Emini ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> I have qmail & vpopmail running on Linux machine and I was thinking on
> installing an antivirus on my mailserver, does anyone have any suggestions
> about this issue?!
Forget it.
Anti virii don't work.
They also introduce new security problems.
Felix
Like Felix I'm skeptical about the value of general anti-virii programs
running as gatekeepers on Linux servers.
However, I have found AMaViS (A Mail Virus Scanner;
http://amavis.org ) very useful for filtering out e-mail viruses, a very
annoying and prominant subgroup of viruses.
AMaVis works with qmail but requires a separate anti-virus scan
engine to work in conjunction with it. It supports a number of such
scan engines. For example, I use McAfee's VShield 4.x scan
engine under a corporate license.
My enterprise also uses PC-based and Novell-server based anti-
virus software but these have the disadvantage of needing to be
properly configured, and the weakest link in this kind of distributed
defense would be the handful of PCs or servers that had a
misconfiguration.
With AMaViS at the pass, there's the ability to passively run e-mail
virus filters as every single e-mail comes in.
If you decide to use this or a similar approach, you need to make
sure that a cron job runs to periodically update the ant-virus .dat
files from your scan engine's website. Otherwise your database of
antiviral signatures gets obsolete.
//jrkeene
> Thus spake Visar Emini ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > I have qmail & vpopmail running on Linux machine and I was thinking
> > on installing an antivirus on my mailserver, does anyone have any
> > suggestions about this issue?!
>
> Forget it.
> Anti virii don't work.
> They also introduce new security problems.
>
> Felix
>
>
Jerry R. Keene
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Thus spake Jerry Keene ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Like Felix I'm skeptical about the value of general anti-virii programs
> running as gatekeepers on Linux servers.
Please email yourself an email with http://www.fefe.de/antivirus/42.zip
as attachment. Either your antivirus is thorough and DoSses your server
(which makes it worthless) or it is misses virii and is worthless
because of that.
> If you decide to use this or a similar approach, you need to make
> sure that a cron job runs to periodically update the ant-virus .dat
> files from your scan engine's website. Otherwise your database of
> antiviral signatures gets obsolete.
Signature based detection can never catch current virii.
You are victim of used car salespeople selling you snake oil.
Felix
> Like Felix I'm skeptical about the value of general
> anti-virii programs
> running as gatekeepers on Linux servers.
>
Check out http://www.vmyths.com
A lot of the most "deadly" attacks could have been stopped dead with simple
processes that looked for methods and not specific "signatures".
A simple example would be to look for extensions that indicate executable
status in the Windows world and hold them for examination. You would have
stopped "I Love You" and whatever the latest nonsense that started last
night is, without having to wait for an updated "signature" file.
On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 02:24:03PM -0500, Jerry Keene wrote:
> very useful for filtering out e-mail viruses
Don't know if this is a urban legend or if it really exists, but a
friend told me about a ZIP file called 42.ZIP (maybe because it is
42 KB in size) which - as I heard - is currently floating around. This
is not a virus but a DoS attack against virus scanners.
If you unzip this ZIP you will get another 10 ZIPs. Each of this again
contains 10 ZIPs ... until you end up with 10**6 ZIP files. Each of
these ZIP files contains a file that is about 40 MegByte uncompressed.
I think it will take considerable time, disk space and CPU power to "check"
this 42.ZIP ...
Can anyone confirm that this indeed exists (or is an urban legend)?
\Maex
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> Don't know if this is a urban legend or if it really exists, but a
> friend told me about a ZIP file called 42.ZIP (maybe because it is
> 42 KB in size) which - as I heard - is currently floating around. This
> is not a virus but a DoS attack against virus scanners.
>
> If you unzip this ZIP you will get another 10 ZIPs. Each of this again
> contains 10 ZIPs ... until you end up with 10**6 ZIP files. Each of
> these ZIP files contains a file that is about 40 MegByte uncompressed.
>
There was a known DOS attack against some of these filter programs by
sending an empty .zip file. The filter would look inside the file, find
nothing and hang.
check www.vmyths.com for legends and myths.
Felix von Leitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Signature based detection can never catch current virii.
Either
s/current/new/
or
s/catch/reliably catch/
There can be no argument that a signature based virus scanner can
catch SOME viruses. The question is how reliably.
The two issues are:
1) Virus signatures MUST lag behind viruses. Therefore there is
always a window in which the virus exists but not the signature.
Signatures only help you if you're not an early victim.
2) The actual virus code may be hidden inside a wide number of
packaging schemes; different mime encodings, compression formats,
encryption formats, etc. It is impossible for a virus scanner to be
able to read them all. Thus some known viruses can slip by because
they're inside an unknown packaging scheme.
Therefore, signature based scanners CANNOT be a 100% reliable method
for preventing viruses.
Felix, you seem to be of the opinion that anything less than 100%
effectiveness is worthless? Or is it just that in your opinion
signature based scanners are TOO FAR beneath that 100%?
IMHO point (1) is more important than (2). Most of the time, viruses
arrive in standard formats. Virus spread, however, is very fast
nowadays -- it is increasingly common to get the virus before the
signature, while in the past (given slow methods of propagation such
as floppy disks) viruses spread much more slowly.
And yes, the right solution to viruses is getting rid of the holes
they exploit. There is no good reason why the functionality a Word
macro virus exploits needs to exist. However, good luck getting
Microsoft to fix their broken logic!
-Matt
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Thus spake Matt Brown ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Therefore, signature based scanners CANNOT be a 100% reliable method
> for preventing viruses.
Plus, they are a security risk in themselves.
And, they normally even cost money.
> Felix, you seem to be of the opinion that anything less than 100%
> effectiveness is worthless? Or is it just that in your opinion
> signature based scanners are TOO FAR beneath that 100%?
If running a virus scanner would be free (i.e. does not reduce security,
does not eat up CPU time on the email server, does not use memory, does
not cost time and money to maintain) then I would not be against it.
But virus scanners are a marketing vehicle for a whole industry that
did nothing to prevent any virus I have ever seen anyone close to me me
have.
> And yes, the right solution to viruses is getting rid of the holes
> they exploit. There is no good reason why the functionality a Word
> macro virus exploits needs to exist. However, good luck getting
> Microsoft to fix their broken logic!
I don't care about Microsoft and what they fix or don't fix.
I don't use their software and document formats.
It's that easy. Really.
Felix
On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 01:47:53AM +0100, Felix von Leitner wrote:
> If running a virus scanner would be free (i.e. does not reduce security,
> does not eat up CPU time on the email server, does not use memory, does
> not cost time and money to maintain) then I would not be against it.
Antivirus, not **antigravity**. ;^>
--
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MaineStreet Communications, Inc 208 Portland Road, Gray, ME 04039
1.207.657.5078 http://www.maine.com/
Content management, electronic commerce, internet integration, Debian linux
Felix von Leitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> If running a virus scanner would be free (i.e. does not reduce security,
> does not eat up CPU time on the email server, does not use memory, does
> not cost time and money to maintain) then I would not be against it.
Nothing is free. All that is possible is that the cost is less than
the benefits.
> But virus scanners are a marketing vehicle for a whole industry that
> did nothing to prevent any virus I have ever seen anyone close to me me
> have.
I used to work for an antivirus company (no longer; figured there was
no future in it, and didn't want to paint myself into a corner).
Obviously given that experience I have found virus scanners to prevent
some viruses, quite a bit in fact. This was in the days when the PC
boot sector virus was the major type, though (for once, not a type of
virus MS can be blamed for, really -- MSDOS never pretended to be more
than a glorified progam loader anyway).
Whether the cure is worse than the disease; ah, there's the issue.
And a LOT of characters in the AV world are less than savory.
There is no truth in the concept that the AV vendors themselves write
the viruses, though! There are PLENTY of losers out there to do it
for free.
> I don't care about Microsoft and what they fix or don't fix.
> I don't use their software and document formats.
> It's that easy. Really.
Personally, neither do I. However, many of us work in organisations
that do use them, and we can't change that.
-Matt
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| 1983 W. 190th St, Suite 100, Torrance CA 90504 |
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| Cell: (714) 457-1854 | Personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
>
> 2) The actual virus code may be hidden inside a wide number of
> packaging schemes; different mime encodings, compression formats,
> encryption formats, etc. It is impossible for a virus scanner to be
> able to read them all. Thus some known viruses can slip by because
> they're inside an unknown packaging scheme.
>
> Therefore, signature based scanners CANNOT be a 100% reliable method
> for preventing viruses.
>
Depends on what you want to put in place. Simple rule: no attachments get to a
MUA, they are removed and put into a secure file area. If they can be scanned
and found to have no potential to carry code then they are sanity checked and
may be picked up by their owner. If they can or do carry code then they must be
inspected by hand and then a signature checking virus scanner.
Sanity checks would include resonable headers and characters that are
printable.
The down side of this is you get many false hits. The good side is that while
the signature based systems are waiting for updates you have a pile of
.vbs or .exe files waiting to be looked at.
Solutions include both commercial and roll your own.
No solution is 100% but prescribing a solution that is only signature based
is not enough. Having to shut down email to a 3,000 user organization
due to the latest "love bug" attack will not win you friends.
Of course getting it right got me (and the rest of the team) a nice
polo shirt from Symantec.
I'm asking the following several time the following
question....NO RESPONSE NO RESPONSE.
Is there is really somebody already using rblsmtpd?
I'm running rblsmtpd, according to the response of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] my RBL is working.
Problem: if any machine in my sub-network (10.1.7.*
having it's MAC, DNS) bombarding me all messages are delivred to my mail
server. The sub-network of my mail server is 10.1.6.* with differents
MAC, DNS, but using the same local router with the first sub-network to
go internet.
I have no clue on causes of this problem.
Can you explain me what is wrong?, there is another thing to do in
addition to to installation of rblsmptd?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 1 December 2000 at
18:13:03 +0100
> I'm asking the following several time the following
> question....NO RESPONSE NO RESPONSE.
> Is there is really somebody already using rblsmtpd?
Sure, lots of us are. I've always found it installs easily and
without any trouble.
> Problem: if any machine in my sub-network (10.1.7.* having it's
> MAC, DNS) bombarding me all messages are delivred to my mail
> server. The sub-network of my mail server is 10.1.6.* with
> differents MAC, DNS, but using the same local router with the first
> sub-network to go internet.
Dunno about anybody else; but I read this the first time, read it
again, couldn't figure it out, and moved on. It sounds like perhaps
you have routing problems in your network, rather than actual
qmail/rblsmtpd problems.
--
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Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> I'm asking the following several time the following
> question....NO RESPONSE NO RESPONSE.
> Is there is really somebody already using rblsmtpd?
Allright, I'm _not_ going to touch that.. but tempting.
> I'm running rblsmtpd, according to the response of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] my RBL is working.
> Problem: if any machine in my sub-network (10.1.7.*
> having it's MAC, DNS) bombarding me all messages are delivred to my mail
OK, it seems that English is not your native language. No problem,
but please try to rewrite your question above. I'm afraid it is not
making any sense to me. Tell us _exactly_ what is happening as best
as you can.
Aaron
Am Freitag, 1. Dezember 2000 18:13 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> I'm asking the following several time the following
> question....NO RESPONSE NO RESPONSE.
You may wan't to check http://www.qmail.org/top.html#paidsup . There you can
whine if nobody helps you, there you can be rude if nobody answers.
If nobody answers, it makes really no sense to whine and post again.
There will be a reason why nobody answered.
a) nobody knows the answer
b) we got the impression that you haven't read the docs / havent spent enough
effort to solve the problem yourself / you are rude / you haven't thought
about what infos we would need and provided them.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] | 20459 Hamburg
www.bsws.de | Germany
I'd like to know how you used the [EMAIL PROTECTED]
test address anyway? The IP addresses you gave are non-routable
private addresses so there is no way the crynwr.com test machine
could have connected to your server in the first place. The
rblsmtpd only blocks spam based on the connecting mail server's
IP address, not by the "from" address or anything else. If your
qmail box running rblsmtpd is on a private network and some
device is proxying or tunnelling or smtp relaying the incoming
external mail to your box, rblsmtpd will be useless, it needs to
be running on your external mail gateway.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 12:13 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: I'm SO AFRAID!!, NO BODY KNOW RBLSMTPD WORKS????
I'm asking the following several time the following
question....NO RESPONSE NO RESPONSE.
Is there is really somebody already using rblsmtpd?
I'm running rblsmtpd, according to the response of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] my RBL is working.
Problem: if any machine in my sub-network (10.1.7.*
having it's MAC, DNS) bombarding me all messages are delivred to my mail
server. The sub-network of my mail server is 10.1.6.* with differents
MAC, DNS, but using the same local router with the first sub-network to
go internet.
I have no clue on causes of this problem.
Can you explain me what is wrong?, there is another thing to do in
addition to to installation of rblsmptd?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I'm asking the following several time the following
> question....NO RESPONSE NO RESPONSE.
> Is there is really somebody already using rblsmtpd?
Many qmail users use rblsmtpd.
> I'm running rblsmtpd, according to the response of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] my RBL is working.
> Problem: if any machine in my sub-network (10.1.7.*
> having it's MAC, DNS) bombarding me all messages are delivred to my mail
> server. The sub-network of my mail server is 10.1.6.* with differents
> MAC, DNS, but using the same local router with the first sub-network to
> go internet.
Apparently you have not understood the purpose of RBL and lists like it
(and the purpose of rblsmtpd to use them).
The RBL is a list of IP addresses that belong to known spammers or spam
supporters. RSS is a list of mailservers that are open to relay and have
relayed actual spam. DUL is a list op dialup IP-addresses that should be
sending email through their providers mail server.
What rblsmtpd does with this is to check if $TCPREMOTEIP (the ip address of
the SMTP client connecting to your mailserver) is on the lists you have
configured. If it is, it will not start qmail-smtpd, but instead carry out
a limited SMTP conversation just to (permanently or temporarily) reject
that particular email from that particular host.
This is what rblsmtpd does, and it is all rblsmtpd does. The addresses you
refer to (10.*) are private address space, so these addresses will never
appear on the rbl. In most rblsmtpd configurations, you will have your
local address space excluded from RBL checking.
It appears you think rblsmtpd would help you if a host inside your network
started spamming. It will not.
Vince.
I just read
http://cr.yp.to/im2000.html
The ideas there seem extremely demoralizing for somebody trying to
write an MTA for the traditional mail infrastructure.
In particular, it seems understandable why qmail-1.04 (not to mention
qmail-2.00) has not come out. Maybe it never will---and I bet not in
the next 6 months.
At least: has anybody thought about implementing MXPS:
http://cr.yp.to/proto/mxps.txt
Mate
On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:52:37AM -0600, Mate Wierdl wrote:
> I just read
>
> http://cr.yp.to/im2000.html
>
> The ideas there seem extremely demoralizing for somebody trying to
> write an MTA for the traditional mail infrastructure.
I guess that depends on whether you think that im2000 is something
likely to be achieve in that year or that century... There are a
number of hurdles to surmount - in particular the issue of
notification. It strikes me that notification has the same issues that
email currently does - one party has to send something to an uncertain
address and the other party has to accept something from an uncertain
sender.
Another issue for my money is that of the lost of instantaneousness
that would result in having to (effectively) retrieve a web page for
each email you read. It sounds silly, but adding a mere second to the
time it takes to pull up an email once you've decided to read the
contents would bug a lot of people.
There is also the issue that retrieving the email may depend on
multiple network and server vageries. Having a mail "so near, yet so
far" would likewise bug me.
Even in 100 years you'll still be 100+ms and multiple routers from the
other side of the planet and what about email generated on the moon?
In short the technology is an interesting solution but I wonder
whether the cost/benefit will be as apparent to the general consumer
as the degraded user experience?
> In particular, it seems understandable why qmail-1.04 (not to mention
> qmail-2.00) has not come out. Maybe it never will---and I bet not in
> the next 6 months.
If you believe the im2000 page, why not similarly believe the "future
of qmail" page?
Regards.
Thus spake Mate Wierdl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> I just read
> http://cr.yp.to/im2000.html
> The ideas there seem extremely demoralizing for somebody trying to
> write an MTA for the traditional mail infrastructure.
Why do you say that?
This does not look demoralizing at all to me.
> In particular, it seems understandable why qmail-1.04 (not to mention
> qmail-2.00) has not come out. Maybe it never will---and I bet not in
> the next 6 months.
Who said that im2000 has anything to do with qmail?
> At least: has anybody thought about implementing MXPS:
> http://cr.yp.to/proto/mxps.txt
Several people have.
But it is not worth the bother until a noticable part of the Internet
uses it.
Felix
Felix von Leitner wrote:
> > At least: has anybody thought about implementing MXPS:
>
> > http://cr.yp.to/proto/mxps.txt
>
> Several people have.
> But it is not worth the bother until a noticable part of the Internet
> uses it.
>
> Felix
What is the advantage of MXPS over SMTP options? It seems like
the SMTP option framework is flexible enough to do anything with,
for instance encryption or compression, within the confines of your
connection.
--
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On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 07:50:13PM +0100, Felix von Leitner wrote:
> > http://cr.yp.to/proto/mxps.txt
>
> Several people have.
> But it is not worth the bother until a noticable part of the Internet
> uses it.
Shades of the question I used to get when installing a web server:
"Why would you bother until a noticable part of Internet uses it?"
Lucky I ignored them huh?
Regards.
>
> I guess that depends on whether you think that im2000 is something
> likely to be achieve in that year or that century... There are a
> number of hurdles to surmount - in particular the issue of
> notification. It strikes me that notification has the same issues that
> email currently does - one party has to send something to an uncertain
> address and the other party has to accept something from an uncertain
> sender.
>
I would think that it would work something like this:
1) A dial in user (for example) would transfer a message to a well connected
server at their ISP. The ISP would provide the disk space used to store the
message.
2) The server would then send a packet to each MX host listed for the
destination(s) of the message.
3) Each MX server could do one of several things when notified:
If the MX server was the best server for the destination it would handle the
processing. If the destination was a dial in user it could cache the
notification until the account was active and asked about mail. The account
holder could defer action, transfer the message directly to their mailbox,
request the message be moved to the destinations server or reqest that the
remote message be rejected. Most of this could be done with just one packet
being sent to the destination. Users with expensive connectivity would see
less noise.
4) If the MX server was not the best choice it could determine the status of
the best MX and act as required. In most cases just caching the notification
until the primary became available.
5) The sending server would resend notifications until a time limit expired.
This kind of arrangement could store and forward data with strong
encryption. I would not have to have a key for you. I would have a key for
my ISP, my ISP would have a key for your ISP and your ISP would have a key
for you.
Thus spake Mark Delany ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > > http://cr.yp.to/proto/mxps.txt
> > Several people have.
> > But it is not worth the bother until a noticable part of the Internet
> > uses it.
> Shades of the question I used to get when installing a web server:
> "Why would you bother until a noticable part of Internet uses it?"
> Lucky I ignored them huh?
Even if you use it, you don't get any noticeable advantage from it,
because to the user email works the same over SMTP and QMTP.
Use what you want, but if you ask me for my opinion, you get my opinion.
I don't use mxps because the possible advantage is too small.
Felix
Date: 1 Dec 2000 18:28:12 +0000
From: "Mark Delany" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Another issue for my money is that of the lost of instantaneousness
that would result in having to (effectively) retrieve a web page for
each email you read. It sounds silly, but adding a mere second to the
time it takes to pull up an email once you've decided to read the
contents would bug a lot of people.
I would indeed hate that, but it is not implied by the IM2000
architecture. People like us would run programs which would receive
the notification and would automatically retrieve the message onto our
local system before notifying us that there was mail.
Many people today already spend a second each time they read e-mail,
because they use POP or IMAP to download their mail from some possibly
remote system. It's true that the connection to the POP or IMAP
server is more under their control than the connection to some random
other server. But it's still a slowdown that I, for one, find
intolerable, so I arrange for my mail to be automatically sent to my
laptop.
In short the technology is an interesting solution but I wonder
whether the cost/benefit will be as apparent to the general consumer
as the degraded user experience?
The user experience of e-mail for most non-technical users is fairly
bad. People will put up with a great deal.
In practice, if IM2000 is ever implemented, I expect that most
organizations would arrange to automatically download messages to a
stable site under their own control. This is still a benefit overall,
as it shifts responsibility for reliable delivery to the person who
really cares about it.
Ian
On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 02:29:04PM -0500, Lipscomb, Al wrote:
> I would think that it would work something like this:
>
> 1) A dial in user (for example) would transfer a message to a well connected
> server at their ISP. The ISP would provide the disk space used to store the
> message.
...
>
> 5) The sending server would resend notifications until a time limit expired.
It wasn't so much the notification I was talking about, it was the
content. I was assuming that the recipient of a notification makes a
conscious decision whether or not to fetch the email. Thus the delay.
If that assumption is incorrect then I don't see a delay problem. As
Ian said in another mail, the user experience is not dissimilar to the
current POP experience.
Regards.
On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:23:44PM -0800, Ian Lance Taylor wrote:
> Date: 1 Dec 2000 18:28:12 +0000
> From: "Mark Delany" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Another issue for my money is that of the lost of instantaneousness
> that would result in having to (effectively) retrieve a web page for
> each email you read. It sounds silly, but adding a mere second to the
> time it takes to pull up an email once you've decided to read the
> contents would bug a lot of people.
>
> I would indeed hate that, but it is not implied by the IM2000
> architecture.
Indeed.
> People like us would run programs which would receive
> the notification and would automatically retrieve the message onto our
> local system before notifying us that there was mail.
So unless the "debit unknown senders" problem is solved, it does
nothing for spam. Pity.
Regards.
Thus spake Jamin Collins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > I write good software.
> > Others help me.
> > The software gets better.
> This is a very selfish view. Based on these statements, you only care about
> software in so much as you can gain from it. This is a key difference
> between you and I.
Jamin, please stop posting drivel. Thanks.
Nothing about this view is selfish.
The only thing that is important is whether in the end the software is
good or not.
> > I write good software.
> > Millions of brain-dead lusers ask dumb questions.
> > I get discouraged and stop supporting my product.
> > Some newbie takes over the project and the quality goes
> > down the drain.
> Are you trying to say that only you can write quality software, or that no
> one can match your quality?
Jamin, please stop posting drivel. Thanks.
Felix
Ian Lance Taylor wrote:
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:34:59 -0800
> From: Greg White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I can't see any circumstances where any of Dan's sofware can be deemed
> closed source.
>
> It is not the case that all software is either open source or closed
> source. There is a broad continuum of licensing possibilities.
>
> I already mentioned an important freedom which Dan does not permit.
> The lack of that freedom means that Dan's software is not open source.
> Saying that Dan's software is not open source does not mean that it is
> closed source. Dan's software is almost open source, it just isn't
> quite all the way there.
>
> Ian
http://courier.sourceforge.net/ appears to be a GPL'd qmail clone, more or
less. Why not use it instead, you want a GPL MTA?
--
David Nicol 816.235.1187 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Just when you think you're finally safe, the poets reappear
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 12:52:33 -0600
From: "David L. Nicol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Ian Lance Taylor wrote:
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:34:59 -0800
> From: Greg White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I can't see any circumstances where any of Dan's sofware can be deemed
> closed source.
>
> It is not the case that all software is either open source or closed
> source. There is a broad continuum of licensing possibilities.
>
> I already mentioned an important freedom which Dan does not permit.
> The lack of that freedom means that Dan's software is not open source.
> Saying that Dan's software is not open source does not mean that it is
> closed source. Dan's software is almost open source, it just isn't
> quite all the way there.
>
> Ian
http://courier.sourceforge.net/ appears to be a GPL'd qmail clone, more or
less. Why not use it instead, you want a GPL MTA?
Huh?
I was correcting what I perceive as a vocabulary problem: Greg White
seems to want to use the term ``open source'' in a way which is
slightly but significantly different from the way it was originally
defined, and different from the way that other people use it. Using
the same term with different meanings can only lead to confusion, so I
think it's worth some effort to ensure that everybody understands and
agrees on the meaning.
I said nothing about the GPL, and I said nothing about wanting a
different MTA. If you happen to know my work (not that there is any
particular reason that you would), then my support for the GPL and the
FSF is fairly clear, but I feel that arguing the merits of various
licensing approaches would be inappropriate on the qmail mailing list.
I do think that arguing the merits of Dan's unique licensing approach
is on topic for the qmail list. However, in the message to which you
are replying, I was not talking about the merits of any licensing
approach at all.
I apologize for the overly-lengthy reply, but since you already
misunderstood me once, I want to try to preemptively avoid further
misunderstanding.
Ian
I'm taking a vacation from this list until the level of newbie
tolerance improves dramatically.
Sorry, I just can't take it any longer.
-Dave
sorry to hear that, and i complete do understand and agree with you. It is a
childish behaviour and should stop asap. We are no kids, and should respect
others as they are. All of us started as a newbie this way or another.
I hope the wave is gone soon and we all can go back helping others.
hope to hear you soon again..
best regards
Anton Pirnat
btw.. now, if i don� t watch my englisch non-native grammar and i don� t
watch the quoting laws and i have a way-to-long footer as i am of course
off topic now ;) You ever heard about someone who tried to translate your LWQ
to german? If not, so maybe i� ll get some time off to do so til (oops a
slangy typo) the end of the year. Just let me know..
Am Fre, 01 Dez 2000 schrieb Dave Sill:
> I'm taking a vacation from this list until the level of newbie
> tolerance improves dramatically.
>
> Sorry, I just can't take it any longer.
>
> -Dave
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>I'm taking a vacation from this list until the level of newbie
>tolerance improves dramatically.
>
>Sorry, I just can't take it any longer.
>
>-Dave
I am sorry to see you go, Dave, you have been a great help to myself
and countless others.
Even though some of the newbie questions make me cringe, the level of
rudeness and abuse others inject is totally unacceptable.
Why do some of you have to act so macho, trying to prove how smart
you are? Do you yourselves not come to this list for help, or are
you just lurking sadists who wait for some under-informed soul to
make a sincere request for information, so that you can pounce at the
opportunity to belittle? Every one of you (except djb) have at one
time known less about qmail than these new people.
If members of this list really want to promote a program we believe
in and help others get up to speed wit it, manners and consideration
are in order.
I hope the fact that you have just caused the vacationing of one of
the most informed aaand helpful members of this list will give you
all pause.
--Pete Cavender
On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 01:58:54PM -0500, Dave Sill wrote:
> I'm taking a vacation from this list until the level of newbie
> tolerance improves dramatically.
>
> Sorry, I just can't take it any longer.
>
> -Dave
Arg, that sucks. Sorry to see you go, Dave. REALLY sorry to see a few
pricks ruin it for the rest of us who appreciate your help.
Thanks for the help you've given to the list in the past. Polite,
accurate, non-flaming help I might add. Hope to see you back some day,
that is if I survive the crap.
jon
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 10:00:32PM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote:
> `ps aux | grep qmail`, if you see qmail-smtpd it is running, otherwise not.
> (note: if you run qmail.smtp from inetd use Jamin's method).
> Using inetd at all, but especially for qmail, is no good idea IMHO, your
> mileage may vary.
I did 'ps -aux | grep qmail-smtpd' and got no message so I don't have it
running. And that's why I have two more questions:
1. What means this line (about qmail) in my /etc/inetd.conf ? (I wrote it
in my earlier message)
2. How can I enable qmail-smtpd? What is the best way to do it?
Thanks for your help,
QBA
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 03:46:23PM -0500, Dave Sill wrote:
>
> >How can I check if I have qmail-smtpd enabled on my host?
>
> $ telnet 0 25
> Trying 0.0.0.0...
> Connected to 0.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> 220 sws5.ctd.ornl.gov ORNL/WS ESMTP
> help
> 214 qmail home page: http://pobox.com/~djb/qmail.html
> quit
> 221 sws5.ctd.ornl.gov ORNL/WS
> Connection closed by foreign host.
> $
>
> -Dave
Hi,
I also typed 'telnet 0 25' and here is what I got:
Trying 0.0.0.0...
Connected to 0.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 qbaroot.dyndns.org ESMTP
'help'
214 qmail home page: http://pobox.com/~djb/qmail.html
'quit'
221 qbaroot.dyndns.org
Connection closed by foreign host.
So it looks similiar to yours but I don't understand what I did.
What all these messages can tell me about my qmail?
Thanks for help,
QBA
> 2. How can I enable qmail-smtpd? What is the best way to do it?
There are several ways to start qmail-smtpd. One is to use inetd.
The other way, which is recommended by the author, is to use tcpserver.
See http://cr.yp.to/qmail/faq/servers.html#tcpserver-smtpd
Mads
on 12/1/00 13:18, QBA at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I did 'ps -aux | grep qmail-smtpd' and got no message so I don't have it
> running. And that's why I have two more questions:
> 1. What means this line (about qmail) in my /etc/inetd.conf ? (I wrote it
> in my earlier message)
Include the line anyway. Must I search for it?
> 2. How can I enable qmail-smtpd? What is the best way to do it?
> Thanks for your help,
Ahhh... So basically what you're saying is you don't have a clue about
inetd. You might want to look at the man page for it-- that way you won't
have any questions.
--jtb
on 12/1/00 13:29, QBA at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
> I also typed 'telnet 0 25' and here is what I got:
> Trying 0.0.0.0...
> Connected to 0.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> 220 qbaroot.dyndns.org ESMTP
> 'help'
> 214 qmail home page: http://pobox.com/~djb/qmail.html
> 'quit'
> 221 qbaroot.dyndns.org
> Connection closed by foreign host.
> So it looks similiar to yours but I don't understand what I did.
> What all these messages can tell me about my qmail?
> Thanks for help,
They tell you you're connected to the smtp server on port 25 and that help
can be found at the qmail home page.
--jtb
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 10:00:32PM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote:
>
> `ps aux | grep qmail`, if you see qmail-smtpd it is running, otherwise not.
> (note: if you run qmail.smtp from inetd use Jamin's method).
> Using inetd at all, but especially for qmail, is no good idea IMHO, your
> mileage may vary.
>
I've just finished reading 'faq' and 'install' files that are included
to qmail tarball. And there is one strange (or even two) thing about
qmail-smtpd that I can't understand. Namely I did everything just as it
stands in 'install' file (espacially about setting up qmail-smtpd -
step 16th) and it looks that it doesn't work because I got a message:
'Sorry,_I wasn't_able_to_establish_an_SMTP_connection.' when was trying
to send a test message from my host to my host. (it was before I've added
qbaroot.dyndns.org to my /qmail/control/locals but it shouldn't be a problem)
The second thing is this message from Dave Sill about 'telnet 0 25'.
As you know I did it too (see my reply to his msg) and it looks to me
that I have smtpd running (port 25 is being used by smtp).
So what is going on here? Is qmail-smtpd running on my linux or not?
And one more thing - Henning Brauer wrote that using inetd is not to good idea.
Can anyone tell me why?
Thanks for all tips,
QBA
On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 10:59:27PM +0100, QBA wrote:
> And one more thing - Henning Brauer wrote that using inetd is not to good idea.
> Can anyone tell me why?
http://www-archive.ornl.gov:8000/
has a searchable archive of this list.
http://www.ornl.gov/its/archives/mailing-lists/qmail/2000/06/msg00117.html
is what you might want to read.
\Maex
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hii
two days before i sent mail about IsoQlog 1.3 (qmail log
analyzer)version
i find two bugs about date
(http://www.students.itu.edu.tr/~yenigul/ChangeLog)
if you download earliler version you must downlaoad again. :((.
IsoQlog defination:
Isoqlog is an qmail log analysis program written in perl .
it designed to scan qmail logfile and produce usage statistics in HTML
format. for viewing through a browser. It produces Top domains
output according to Incoming , Outgoing , total mails and, it keeps
your main domain mail statistics for per day and per month .
Actually only output design is stolen from webalizer log program ,
nothing else taken from it.if you can use webalizer before, you can
wonder :))
It can be translated another languge easily by changing 15 line in
language config file
you can get it from
http://www.students.itu.edu.tr/~yenigul
please send mail to me .if you hit a bug.!
thanx
Ismail YENIGUL
In case you do not like certain people's postings to this list because
they are offensive to you (too trivial questions, too abusive
language), you can do the following steps
1) Look at the From: field of the person. In my case, it is usually
(not now) is
From: Mate Wierdl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Put, in your ~/.qmail file,
| if [ "`822field from`" = " Mate Wierdl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" ]; then exit 99;
|fi
./Mailbox
This has the added benefit that if the person not only sends his
message to the list but to you as well, both messages will be ignored.
You need to get Dan's mess822 package. You can find an rpm at
ftp://moni.msci.memphis.edu/pub/qmail/qmail-addons/
Mate
Mate Wierdl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> This has the added benefit that if the person not only sends his
> message to the list but to you as well, both messages will be ignored.
It doesn't however do anything about their messages getting quoted by other
users.
Jamin W. Collins
* Jamin Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Mate Wierdl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
>> This has the added benefit that if the person not only sends his
>> message to the list but to you as well, both messages will be
>> ignored.
> It doesn't however do anything about their messages getting quoted by
> other users.
Use $MAILFILTER[1] to score/kill based on References, Message-ID, and
Xref. Then take $LART with maximum $DAMAGE and finish everything in
sight that does not or only incorrectly include these headers.
Footnotes:
[1] Quick maildrop recipe for that, anyone?
--
Robin S. Socha <http://socha.net/>
I am not sure there is a need to send further receipes for getting the
offending addresses from the From: field.
The point is that there are simple ways to avoid flames and friends,
and those who do not use them are obviously are there to---flame.
Mate
Dear All,
How do I forward all mail recieved by a user to a user on a different host.
I have looked at the forward command but this does not seem to do the trick.
Could someone point me in the direction of some documentation on the forward
command if this is the correct one.
Thanks
> How do I forward all mail recieved by a user to a user on a
> different host.
> I have looked at the forward command but this does not seem
> to do the trick.
> Could someone point me in the direction of some documentation
> on the forward command if this is the correct one.
Read 'man dot-qmail', specifically the part that begins:
] (3) A forward line begins with an ampersand:
]
] &[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
gowen -- Greg Owen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I had
|
hi,
I need your help:
I had success make freebsd+qmail+vpopmail, but once I want to
use mysql to do user authentication, the user that created by ./vadduser
can not login on swebmail,why?
thank you very much!
|
* emailsys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I need your help:
,----[ vpopmail FAQ ]
| 14. Is there a mailing list available for vpopmail package?
| Yes. Send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
`----
> I had success make freebsd+qmail+vpopmail, but once I want to use
> mysql to do user authentication, the user that created by ./vadduser
> can not login on swebmail, why?
Into a virtual domain: luser%domain.com. What do the logs say?
> It seems that sqwebmail has MySQL authentication modules, how to set
> up and install it?
The list is: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you want to use the module that comes with SQWebmail, read
authlib/README.authmysql.
--
Robin S. Socha <http://socha.net/>
On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 11:01:47AM -0600, Trey Nolen wrote:
> I'm running a Debian system with Qmail 1.03. Everything has been working
> using the init scripts, and tried restarting. On restart, I get this error:
> Starting mail-transfer agent: qmail./qmail: xrealloc: cannot reallocate 512
> bytes (0 bytes allocated)
> Does anyone have any ideas as to what could be causing that
> error?
There's some ulimit setting in the init script. I vaguely remember having to
tweak them once. Check out the debian bugs archive.
Luck,
--
Joost
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robin S. Socha) writes:
> [1] Quick maildrop recipe for that, anyone?
No. But I've got some code to help you stop sending vacuous messages.
Add it to your .gnus and restart emacs.
(defadvice message-send (before suppress-noise
activate compile)
;; We go out of our our way to avoid leaving live references
;; to useless garbage
(set-buffer-modified-p nil)
(message-kill-buffer)
(error "Zero-information message. Not sending."))
^L
I'm copying this back to both the qmail list, and the ezmlm list, because it
is not that simple, although I really appreciate the reply...it has been the
only one I've gotten.
After all the research, and digging through, FAQ's and documentation, I am
really surprised I am having this much trouble figuring this out. This
should be one of the most common things to do with an ezmlm mailing list.
I'm starting to wonder if there is another rpm everyone else is
using...although I can't find one referenced anywhere
here is the original post....my problems are below:
> On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 01:12:16PM -0600, Barry Smoke wrote:
> > somewhere between adding the web-archive functionality to ezmlm-idx-4.0,
and
> > documenting ezmlm-cgi, there is a loss of information on how to
implement
> > it.
> >
> > I have searched for hours to find documentation on how to get a
web-archive
> > up.
> > I am using qmail on a redhat 7.0 system, and I installed the
ezmlm-idx-mysql
> > rpm. All lists are functioning normally, but the rpm is missing the
> > ezmlm-cgi.
>
> The src rpm creates *two* binary rpms---one is the ezmlm-cgi rpm.
> Install that. In the doc directory, there will be some files
> explaining what to do.
>
> Mate
>
>
First of all, I can't find ezmlm-cgi anywhere in the source rpm I downloaded
from ezmlm.org. I untar'd ezmlm, ezmlm-idx, and the spec file kit, which is
where I found the mysql spec file , which is the one I am using....although
I tried both the std, and the mysql.spec
I saw the ezmlm-cgi.c file listed on the following directory listing of
ezmlm.org, so I downloaded that, but have no idea where to put it. There is
no makefile to just compile it. This should be distributed in the proper
place already, and there should be a place in the spec file defining it, if
it is indeed a seperate rpm.
here is all the source rpm builds:..it is the tail end of my rpm -ba
ezmlm-idx-mysql.spec output
################################
Conflicts: ezmlm ezmlm-idx-std ezmlm-idx-pgsql
Obsoletes: ezmlm-idx
Wrote: /usr/src/redhat/SRPMS/ezmlm-idx-0.53.324-1.src.rpm
Wrote: /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/ezmlm-idx-mysql-0.53.324-1.i386.rpm
##################################
Here is the directory listing of ftp.ezmlm.org/pub/patches
I downloaded the ezmlm-idx-0.53.324-1.src.rpm
which is what I'm working with, which looks like the latest one.
ncftp /pub > cd patches
ncftp /pub/patches > ls
+i774.703138,m959369200,r,s3418, 00README
+i774.703139,m959369200,r,s1052, MIRRORS
+i774.98145,m959369726,r,s164717, ezfaq.html.tar.gz
+i774.98146,m959369728,r,s210446, ezfaq.ps.gz
+i774.98147,m959369729,r,s210453, ezfaq.ps4.gz
+i774.98148,m959369730,r,s95704, ezfaq.txt.gz
+i774.703144,m959369205,r,s62693, ezmlm-0.53.tar.gz
+i774.703145,m959369206,r,s3756, ezmlm-approve-0.10.tar.gz
+i774.703146,m959369208,r,s351968, ezmlm-idx-0.31.tar.gz
+i774.703147,m959369211,r,s351968, ezmlm-idx-0.316.tar.gz
+i774.703148,m959369214,r,s491392, ezmlm-idx-0.32.tar.gz
+i774.703149,m959369217,r,s491392, ezmlm-idx-0.324.tar.gz
+i774.703150,m959369221,r,s553974, ezmlm-idx-0.40.tar.gz
+i774.703151,m959369224,r,s466186, ezmlm-idx-0.53.316-1.i386.rpm
+i774.703152,m959369227,r,s418332, ezmlm-idx-0.53.316-1.src.rpm
+i774.703153,m959369231,r,s589076, ezmlm-idx-0.53.324-1.src.rpm
+i774.703154,m959369237,r,s891445, ezmlm-idx-mysql-0.53.324-1.i386.rpm
+i774.703155,m959369241,r,s619795, ezmlm-idx-pgsql-0.53.324-1.i386.rpm
+i774.703156,m959369244,r,s582734, ezmlm-idx-std-0.53.324-1.i386.rpm
+i774.703157,m959369245,r,s3553, ezmlm-issub-0.05.tar.gz
+i774.703158,m959369245,r,s1019, ezmlm-return.diff
+i774.703159,m959369245,r,s1229, md5.sum
+i774.703160,m959369245,r,s1826, qmail-mime.tar.gz
+i774.98114,m962209881,/, ezfaq
+i774.703162,m959369246,r,s5264, qmail-verh-0.02.tar.gz
+i774.703163,m959369246,r,s1621, rbl-multi.diff
+i774.703164,m959369246,r,s1649, serialmail-mime.tar.gz
+i774.719489,m962209903,/, old
+i774.735841,m962209897,/, ezman
+i774.703727,m962210095,r,s1852, index.html
+i774.735850,m959369446,r,s29546, ezman.txt.gz
+i774.703761,m962664208,r,s67956, ezmlm-cgi.c
+i774.735848,m959369444,r,s108391, ezman.ps.gz
+i774.735849,m959369445,r,s108288, ezman.ps4.gz
+i774.735847,m959369443,r,s28132, ezman.html.tar.gz
+i774.703899,m962234203,r,s5927, qmail-verh-0.06.tar.gz
The built ezmlm-idx-mysql doesn't provide either ezmlm-cgi, or the
documentation for it, as seen from my output of rpm -ql ezmlm-idx-mysql
############################
[root@bryant SPECS]# rpm -ql ezmlm-idx-mysql
/etc/ezmlmrc
/etc/ezmlmrc.dist
/usr/bin/ezmlm-accept
/usr/bin/ezmlm-check
/usr/bin/ezmlm-clean
/usr/bin/ezmlm-cron
/usr/bin/ezmlm-gate
/usr/bin/ezmlm-get
/usr/bin/ezmlm-glconf
/usr/bin/ezmlm-grant
/usr/bin/ezmlm-idx
/usr/bin/ezmlm-issubn
/usr/bin/ezmlm-list
/usr/bin/ezmlm-make
/usr/bin/ezmlm-manage
/usr/bin/ezmlm-mktab
/usr/bin/ezmlm-moderate
/usr/bin/ezmlm-receipt
/usr/bin/ezmlm-reject
/usr/bin/ezmlm-request
/usr/bin/ezmlm-return
/usr/bin/ezmlm-send
/usr/bin/ezmlm-split
/usr/bin/ezmlm-store
/usr/bin/ezmlm-sub
/usr/bin/ezmlm-tstdig
/usr/bin/ezmlm-unsub
/usr/bin/ezmlm-warn
/usr/bin/ezmlm-weed
/usr/bin/ezmlmglrc
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2000-12-01 20:40:08.460829500 starting delivery 16: msg 38650 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2000-12-01 20:40:08.460845500 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
2000-12-01 20:40:08.467900500 delivery 16: deferral: Unable_to_find_alias_user!/
The above log snippit illustrates a problem I am running into on
a new qmail installation. However, the alias user DOES in fact
exist.
I'm in the process of trying to determine if the alias uid was
different when qmail was compiled vs the current alias
uid. Other than that, which I don't think is the problem,
nothing immediately springs to mind.
Any ideas where to look?
--
Matthew Hunter ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 10:12:12PM -0600, Matthew Hunter wrote:
> I'm in the process of trying to determine if the alias uid was
> different when qmail was compiled vs the current alias
> uid. Other than that, which I don't think is the problem,
> nothing immediately springs to mind.
This is strange, as AFAICS the lookup ist done by name not uid.
auto_usera.c:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
char auto_usera[] = "\
\141\154\151\141\163\
";
------------------------------------------------------------------------
and the log message is triggerd by
qmail-getpw.c
------------------------------------------------------------------------
if (!userext()) {
extension = local;
dash = "-";
pw = getpwnam(auto_usera);
}
if (!pw) _exit(QLX_NOALIAS);
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe your password file is messed up?
\Maex
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On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 06:42:04AM +0100, Markus Stumpf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 10:12:12PM -0600, Matthew Hunter wrote:
> > I'm in the process of trying to determine if the alias uid was
> > different when qmail was compiled vs the current alias
> > uid. Other than that, which I don't think is the problem,
> > nothing immediately springs to mind.
>
> This is strange, as AFAICS the lookup ist done by name not uid.
Odd, I'm certain I remember discussion about the pros and cons of
compiling the uids into the binaries on this list earlier.
> auto_usera.c:
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> char auto_usera[] = "\
> \141\154\151\141\163\
> ";
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> and the log message is triggerd by
> qmail-getpw.c
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> if (!userext()) {
> extension = local;
> dash = "-";
> pw = getpwnam(auto_usera);
> }
>
> if (!pw) _exit(QLX_NOALIAS);
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Maybe your password file is messed up?
That was my first thought. Unfortunately, fixing the obvious
oddities in passwd didn't help matters. I'll go back and stare
at it further, maybe I missed something.
--
Matthew Hunter ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
From: Matthew Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Any ideas where to look?
>
Check the /var/qmail/users/{assign,cdb} stuff. Maybe someone played with the
alias.
Armando
On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 06:47:27AM -0100, asantos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Matthew Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Any ideas where to look?
> Check the /var/qmail/users/{assign,cdb} stuff. Maybe someone played with the
> alias.
The users directory is empty, and is empty on another qmail
installation that doesn't have this problem.
OTOH, the permissions on my passwd file somehow got messed
up. Nothing else complained, but the problem went away when they
were corrected.
--
Matthew Hunter ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Hi,
vpopmail[58140]: vchkpw login [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
how to logging the remote IP
"................ [EMAIL PROTECTED]: IP "
thx
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is it possible to monitor qmails parameters like current queue length
/no of messages in queue etc things with HPopenview,
i dont think qmail is snmp enabled , but if some one knows some patches
etc , which enables snmp fuctionality in qmail then please tell me ?
which anti virtus works best with qmail , ( we are planning to setup
seperate incoming and out going mail servers, we will also run anti-virus
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going mails ) please tell me which anti-virus works best with qmail ,
Thanks & Regards
Prashant Desai
Hi all...
It seems like I have an email that does not want to be delivered.
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] keeps complaining about the host
not being in it's list of rcphosts file tada yada yada....
I've looked in the local and remote queue dir's but can't see anything. It
does deliver all other mail to all other hosts (relaying is off of
course)(Nothing in the queue because it's my devel qmail server)
HELP
