qmail Digest 12 May 2001 10:00:00 -0000 Issue 1362

Topics (messages 62289 through 62347):

Re: ezmlm and announce-only lists...?
        62289 by: Jeff Gordon
        62290 by: Jeff Gordon
        62297 by: Johan Almqvist
        62299 by: peter green
        62301 by: Jeff Gordon
        62304 by: Jeff Gordon
        62305 by: peter green

Re: qmail-inject and Perl
        62291 by: Tonix
        62293 by: Kevin Smith
        62306 by: Charles Cazabon
        62313 by: Milivoj Ivkovic

Re: reboot
        62292 by: Neil Whittington
        62298 by: Anton Pirnat

reason for problem found: connection reset after 1 minute
        62294 by: Jens Hassler
        62309 by: Charles Cazabon
        62321 by: Bruce Guenter
        62325 by: Charles Cazabon
        62331 by: Bruce Guenter

qmail-smtpd-chkusr: (reject unknown users at smtp level) patch updated
        62295 by: Tonix

Re: remote smtp problem
        62296 by: Jonathan.Coker.egi.co.uk

Re: Case in email address
        62300 by: Milivoj Ivkovic
        62307 by: Charles Cazabon
        62314 by: Milivoj Ivkovic
        62315 by: Milivoj Ivkovic
        62324 by: Matt Simonsen
        62328 by: Charles Cazabon
        62334 by: Matt Simonsen
        62340 by: Charles Cazabon

users/assign handling
        62302 by: PHoman.at.mbe.com

Re: tcpserver blues
        62303 by: Joerg Lenneis

Re: Qmail and Request Tracker
        62308 by: Charles Cazabon

Re: notification of new email whenever user logs in on the shell
        62310 by: alexus
        62311 by: Charles Cazabon
        62335 by: alexus
        62341 by: Charles Cazabon
        62344 by: alexus

newbie question with concurrency remote
        62312 by: Michael Geier
        62322 by: Dave Sill
        62323 by: Charles Cazabon
        62333 by: Michael Geier

Re: qmail retry
        62316 by: Dave Sill

Re: QMail autostart problem
        62317 by: Dave Sill

Using vchkpw (vpopmail) with qmail-pop3d?
        62318 by: Steven Katz

Re: weird
        62319 by: Mate Wierdl

SMTP_AUTH
        62320 by: Steve Hammond
        62327 by: Dave Sill

config for stand-alone box
        62326 by: john gennard
        62330 by: Charles Cazabon
        62332 by: Robin S. Socha

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        62329 by: �����o

MASS mailing
        62336 by: Kuriger, Michael
        62342 by: Charles Cazabon

Subject Line Manipulation
        62337 by: Inthereal
        62343 by: Charles Cazabon

Re: Newbie with tcpserver
        62338 by: Russell Nelson

Re: Newbies vs. arrogant experts (was: Newbie with tcpserver)
        62339 by: Russell Nelson

HELP - newbie
        62345 by: Pavel Sorejs
        62346 by: Clemens Hermann

451 qq internal bug(#4.3.1)
        62347 by: dgrer

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On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 06:26:25PM -0400, audit wrote:
>
> You can make it a moderated list. If you'd like, I can send you the
> scripts that I use for all my lists from creating them, subing people,
> deleteing people, etc
> 
> audit

(Hi, 'audit'.)  That's a kind offer; thank you. :-)

I gather from the FAQ at ezmlm.org that it's possible to remove
'~/.qmail-list' and 'DIR/editor' and end up with a list regarding which
folks could still sub and unsub themselves but no one could post; the
moderator would need to pipe a message directly to ezmlm-send.

That sounds like one solution; but do your scripts perhaps provide an
even better one...?

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 "There's nothing left in the world to prove.  All that's worth doing
  is to love one another, using whatever means are available to serve."




On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:47:15PM -0400, peter green wrote:

> [http://www.ezmlm.org/] is decent; it covers ezmlm-idx, NOT stock ezmlm. I
> think the site gives an apt description as to what the -idx part
> adds...basically, you want the -idx version.
> 
> Anyway, the FAQ there is pretty extensive, including answers to questions
> like, ``How do I make an ezmlm list "announce only"?'' :-)

Thanks, Peter.  

If I'm understanding what I'm reading, it appears the thing to do is
-remove- '~/.qmail-list' and DIR/editor, then pipe directly to
"ezmlm-send DIR"...?

I believe it's implying list members would still be able to sub and
unsub this way, but posts to the list would fall into the bit bucket.

Have I got it right...?

-- 

 -- Jeff --   <http://www.wellnow.com>

 "There's nothing left in the world to prove.  All that's worth doing
  is to love one another, using whatever means are available to serve."




* Jeff Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010510 23:08]:

> I've just barely got qmail, qmailadmin and vpop running, need to know
> if there's a method for making an ezmlm list "announce only"...?

There is. Can't say how off-hand, though.

> (Pointers to any documentation on this would be appreciated; I haven't
> found any that address this exact topic so far.)

man ezmlm-make
http://www.ezmlm.org/

The appropriate list is [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[ No need to Cc: me, thanks. ]

* Jeff Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010511 06:06]:
> > [http://www.ezmlm.org/] is decent; it covers ezmlm-idx, NOT stock ezmlm. I
> > think the site gives an apt description as to what the -idx part
> > adds...basically, you want the -idx version.
> > 
> > Anyway, the FAQ there is pretty extensive, including answers to questions
> > like, ``How do I make an ezmlm list "announce only"?'' :-)
> 
> Thanks, Peter.  
> 
> If I'm understanding what I'm reading, it appears the thing to do is
> -remove- '~/.qmail-list' and DIR/editor, then pipe directly to
> "ezmlm-send DIR"...?
> 
> I believe it's implying list members would still be able to sub and
> unsub this way, but posts to the list would fall into the bit bucket.
> 
> Have I got it right...?

Almost. Posts to the list would bounce if you just remove .qmail-list. If
you want them to disappear without a bounce, do:

  echo '#' > .qmail-list

A .qmail file with only comments will effectively blackhole a piece of mail.

HTH!

/pg
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On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 01:37:28AM +0200, Johan Almqvist wrote:
> * Jeff Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010510 23:08]:
> 
> > I've just barely got qmail, qmailadmin and vpop running, need to know
> > if there's a method for making an ezmlm list "announce only"...?
> 
> There is. Can't say how off-hand, though.
> 
> > (Pointers to any documentation on this would be appreciated; I haven't
> > found any that address this exact topic so far.)
> 
> man ezmlm-make

(Hi, Johan.)  I did that -- all it says is that switch -P creates a
"private" list; doesn't explain what features are or are not part of
its being private.

> http://www.ezmlm.org/

Yes -- understandably one might not expect to find answers for 'ezmlm'
there, since the frontpage sounds like only 'ezmlm-idx' is directly
covered by the site.

> The appropriate list is [EMAIL PROTECTED]

(Thanks.)  Fair enough -- but does it have a searchable archive?  If I
coulda found one, I certainly would've searched there first, just as I
did through the 'qmail' list archive first -- where I found several
prior conversations about ezmlm, thus thought posting here might be
appropriate -- and even if not, it would eventually bring -this-
conversation into a searchable archive for the benefit of others coming
along after us.  Then those ones coming along after us won't have to
disturb the peace of this list by asking the same question yet another
time.

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On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 07:54:56AM -0400, peter green wrote:

> [ No need to Cc: me, thanks. ]

(Sorry -- found your name automagically in the 'to' field so CC'd the
list; I'll get the hang of this in a minute. :-)

> > If I'm understanding what I'm reading, it appears the thing
> > to do [to change a normal list into an announce-only one] is
> > -remove- '~/.qmail-list' and DIR/editor, then pipe directly to
> > "ezmlm-send DIR"...?
> > 
> > I believe it's implying list members would still be able to sub and
> > unsub this way, but posts to the list would fall into the bit bucket.
> > 
> > Have I got it right...?
> 
> Almost. Posts to the list would bounce if you just remove .qmail-list. If
> you want them to disappear without a bounce, do:
> 
>   echo '#' > .qmail-list
> 
> A .qmail file with only comments will effectively blackhole a piece of mail.

Okay, many thanks -- and unless I hear otherwise, I'll take it you're
saying that subs/unsubs will continue to work in either case.

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* Jeff Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010511 09:21]:
> > The appropriate list is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> (Thanks.)  Fair enough -- but does it have a searchable archive?  If I

When in doubt, check [http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/] and
[http://www.mail-archive.com/]. (IIRC, ezmlm is archived and searchable at
both places.)

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Hi Kevin,

I use this simple PERL code that (for me) works nicely.

$from, $to, $reply, $subject, $body are the variables you have to feed.
The way of filling "Reply-to, Return-Path, From" lines, depends on your 
needs, this is only an example.


             open (MESSAGE, "| /usr/sbin/sendmail -t");

             print MESSAGE "Return-Path: $from\n";
             print MESSAGE "From: <$from>\n";
             print MESSAGE "To: $to\n";
             print MESSAGE "Reply-To: $reply\n";
             print MESSAGE "Subject: $subject\n";

             print MESSAGE "\n$body\n";

             close (MESSAGE);

Ciao,

Tonino

At 10/05/2001 10/05/2001 +0100, Kevin Smith wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>I want to send mail using Perl, however, I want to use qmail to send it and
>for qmail to report any failed emails, i.e. bad email addresses, failed
>deliveries, etc.
>
>Would qmail-inject do this for me and if so, does anyone have any simple
>examples using this with Perl?
>
>Many thanks,
>
>Kevin Smith





The only problem with that it doesn't report back to me any failed emails...
or does it and I'm not looking in the right place???

Thanks,

Kevin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tonix" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Kevin Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: qmail-inject and Perl


> Hi Kevin,
>
> I use this simple PERL code that (for me) works nicely.
>
> $from, $to, $reply, $subject, $body are the variables you have to feed.
> The way of filling "Reply-to, Return-Path, From" lines, depends on your
> needs, this is only an example.
>
>
>              open (MESSAGE, "| /usr/sbin/sendmail -t");
>
>              print MESSAGE "Return-Path: $from\n";
>              print MESSAGE "From: <$from>\n";
>              print MESSAGE "To: $to\n";
>              print MESSAGE "Reply-To: $reply\n";
>              print MESSAGE "Subject: $subject\n";
>
>              print MESSAGE "\n$body\n";
>
>              close (MESSAGE);
>
> Ciao,
>
> Tonino
>
> At 10/05/2001 10/05/2001 +0100, Kevin Smith wrote:
> >Hi All,
> >
> >I want to send mail using Perl, however, I want to use qmail to send it
and
> >for qmail to report any failed emails, i.e. bad email addresses, failed
> >deliveries, etc.
> >
> >Would qmail-inject do this for me and if so, does anyone have any simple
> >examples using this with Perl?
> >
> >Many thanks,
> >
> >Kevin Smith
>
>





Kevin Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I want to send mail using Perl, however, I want to use qmail to send it and
> for qmail to report any failed emails, i.e. bad email addresses, failed
> deliveries, etc.
> 
> Would qmail-inject do this for me and if so, does anyone have any simple
> examples using this with Perl?

qmail-inject is the easiest way to inject mail.  However, the only way it can
"report back" failures to you is by bounce messages.  Those will go to
whatever address you use as the envelope sender.

Were you hoping for something else?

Charles
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I use Mail:Sendmail, which sends through SMTP. Early errors are caught by 
the module (syntactically wrong email address, broken communication with 
the server). Later errors (User unknown, ...) are reported as usual by a 
bounce from the server to the From: address.

Not exactly what you asked for, but I find it more robust and more 
flexible: your script can use any mail server and run on any platform.

>I want to send mail using Perl, however, I want to use qmail to send it and
>for qmail to report any failed emails, i.e. bad email addresses, failed
>deliveries, etc.
>
>Would qmail-inject do this for me and if so, does anyone have any simple
>examples using this with Perl?
>
>Many thanks,
>
>Kevin Smith






That's a coincidence - I logged the same query this morning.

The links created are:
  ln -s ../init.d/svscan S89svscan
    in rc3.d and rc5.d

  ln -s ../init.d/svscan K12svscan
    in rc0.d rc1.d rc2.d and rc6.d

If I go into the /etc/rc.d/init.d directory and type

    ./svscan start
    ./qmail start

it all runs perfectly.

I run Open Linux 2.3 - what about you?

Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: colette tostivint [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, 11 May 2001 20:10
To: Qmail@List. Cr. Yp. To
Subject: reboot


Hi

Qmail doesn't run when i reboot my system.

I make a link : ln -s ../init.d/qmail /etc/rc2.d/S88qmail

I must start manually /etc/rc2.d/S88qmail .

What is the problem?

Thank you

Colette Tostivint




It is not the default init your system started up, depening from your 
distribution this maybe be a different one. Have a look at 
http://www.lifewithqmail.org and read the "Life with Qmail" doc there. You 
will get the needed ln -s�s and many other helpful information on how to 
start your qmail experience.

hope this helps
Anton Pirnat

btw.. next time it would be helpful you also are telling us what kind of OS 
(... Linux?, ...BSD?) and Version you are working with.  It is often 
important, because (in example) file paths are different sometimes. :)


On Friday 11 May 2001 10:09, colette tostivint wrote:
> Hi
>
> Qmail doesn't run when i reboot my system.
>
> I make a link : ln -s ../init.d/qmail /etc/rc2.d/S88qmail
>
> I must start manually /etc/rc2.d/S88qmail .
>
> What is the problem?
>
> Thank you
>
> Colette Tostivint




Hi there,

I've posted some messages concerning this strange "pop3 connection reset
after 1 minute". I just discovered the reason for the problem, but I still
don't have a solution.

I'm using "checkpasswordnt" for my authentication issues (so that all users
can be authenticated with our NT PDC). I just changed this back to the
normal checkpassword program and tried again with an appropriate account.
Now it works. No connection reset, nothing. So checkpasswordnt seems to make
problems.

But, as I understand, checkpassword is only used to authenticate the
connection in the first place. After that it's not accessed again? There
seems to be some kind of timeout after one minute, but where?

This is the ps aux output while running a pop3 session:

root      6176  0.0  0.2  1224  344 pts/0    S    11:43   0:00
/var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup wetzel-office.com /bin/checkpasswordnt
/var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir
jhassler  6177  0.0  0.3  1236  396 pts/0    S    11:43   0:00
/var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir


One thing to mention: I certainly don't like this NT authentication stuff,
but in this environment its needed at the moment (can't change it).

Sorry for not mentioning checkpasswordnt in the first place, but I thought
this would be the last place the problem could occur.

I tried several things. tcpdump output is not very helpful. After the
initial authentication packets there is a "NBT Session Keepalive" packet
after 20 seconds. After this packet there is no other traffic to or from the
NT server. I thought there would be something after exactly 60 seconds, but
there is nothing. I'm also confused about this Keepalive packet, because the
session should end after the first authentication transfers, shouldn't it?

Strange, again: I use this "Mrs. Brisby" version of qmail-smtpd together
with checkpasswordnt to implement "SMTP AUTH". This works without any
problems. The same packets are travelling through the cable, there is also
this Keepalive packet, but the connection is not reset after 60 seconds.

So there seems to be something about checkpasswordnt qmail-pop3d or
qmail-popup don't like. Maybe an Anti-M$-check :-)

If anyone on this list is also using checkpasswordnt and doesn't have this
problem then the NT server is the "evil box". That's nothing new, indeed,
but this would be off-topic for this list.

I'll further try finding a solution, maybe someone of you has a clue where
the problem might be.

Some day... I'll throw these NT things out. Certainly.


Thanks again for your help, I really appreciate it.
Jens






Jens Hassler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm using "checkpasswordnt" for my authentication issues (so that all users
> can be authenticated with our NT PDC). I just changed this back to the
> normal checkpassword program and tried again with an appropriate account.
> Now it works. No connection reset, nothing. So checkpasswordnt seems to make
> problems.

I concur.  However, I don't know anything about checkpasswordnt.

> But, as I understand, checkpassword is only used to authenticate the
> connection in the first place. After that it's not accessed again? There
> seems to be some kind of timeout after one minute, but where?
> 
> This is the ps aux output while running a pop3 session:
> 
> root      6176  0.0  0.2  1224  344 pts/0    S    11:43   0:00
> /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup wetzel-office.com /bin/checkpasswordnt
> /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir
> jhassler  6177  0.0  0.3  1236  396 pts/0    S    11:43   0:00
> /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir

I don't understand this.  I thought that in a normal setup, tcpserver forked
qmail-popup, which exec's checkpassword, which exec's qmail-pop3d.  In the
case of a successful authentication, the checkpassword process replaces itself
with qmail-pop3d, so it can't be left hanging around like this.

Is checkpasswordnt fundamentally broken?

Charles
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On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 08:17:47AM -0600, Charles Cazabon wrote:
> I don't understand this.  I thought that in a normal setup, tcpserver forked
> qmail-popup, which exec's checkpassword

Not quite.  qmail-popup forks and exec's checkpassword, in order that if
checkpassword fails qmail-popup can report an -ERR message instead of
just disconnecting silently.
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Bruce Guenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 08:17:47AM -0600, Charles Cazabon wrote:
> > I don't understand this.  I thought that in a normal setup, tcpserver forked
> > qmail-popup, which exec's checkpassword
> 
> Not quite.  qmail-popup forks and exec's checkpassword, in order that if
> checkpassword fails qmail-popup can report an -ERR message instead of
> just disconnecting silently.

Thanks for the correction, Bruce -- makes much more sense.  However, it still
doesn't explain why the other fellows' ntcheckpassword hangs around
indefinitely even after authentication success, and then causes the POP3
connection to reset after 60 seconds.

Moral:  NT causes headaches.

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On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 01:02:47PM -0600, Charles Cazabon wrote:
> Bruce Guenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 08:17:47AM -0600, Charles Cazabon wrote:
> > > I don't understand this.  I thought that in a normal setup, tcpserver forked
> > > qmail-popup, which exec's checkpassword
> > 
> > Not quite.  qmail-popup forks and exec's checkpassword, in order that if
> > checkpassword fails qmail-popup can report an -ERR message instead of
> > just disconnecting silently.
> 
> Thanks for the correction, Bruce -- makes much more sense.  However, it still
> doesn't explain why the other fellows' ntcheckpassword hangs around
> indefinitely even after authentication success, and then causes the POP3
> connection to reset after 60 seconds.

The ps report that I recall seeing showed only qmail-popup and
qmail-pop3d running.  The qmail-popup command-line of course includes
ntcheckpassword.  Now, if ntcheckpassword itself is hanging around, it's
badly broken, as the checkpassword interface requires that the
subprogram be exec'd and not forked.
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qmail-smtpd-chkusr is a patch for qmail-smtpd (with vpopmail 4.9.x) and 
permits rejecting non existing users/aliases/mailing-lists in the smtp 
acceptance phase.

I've just updaded this patch, with the following changes:
- changed the error code emission (550 instead of 553)
- added check for BOUNCE_MAIL flag

This patch is freely available at
          http://www.interazioni.it/qmail






Many Thanks Dave, you were spot on.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Sill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 10 May 2001 18:32
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: remote smtp problem


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>When ever a remote client tries to send mail thru my qmail box, qmail
>appends a question mark to the end of the domain i.e 
>Sorry, I couldn't find any host named rbi.co.uk?. (#5.1.2)

Clients injecting messages via SMTP? Using selective relaying? I'd
guess that "RELAYCLIENT" is being set to " " instead of "" in the
access file (perhaps /etc/tcp.smtp).

-Dave


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If I read the RFCs correctly, case does not matter in the mailbox (left 
side) part, but should be preserved.

I don't know of any mail server that fails to deliver mail if case changes.

I never paid attention to see if case is preserved.





Milivoj Ivkovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If I read the RFCs correctly, case does not matter in the mailbox (left 
> side) part, but should be preserved.

No, that's not what 2821 says.  The RFC defines the FQDN part of an email
address to be case-insensitive, and says that the treatment of case of
local-part is up to the receiving system, and so intermediate MTAs must
preserve the case of local-part.

It then recommends that MTA implementors treat local-part as case insensitive
when they are the final destination MTA, but does not require this.

Charles
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>Was it 822 that said this? Or is there a different RFC I should also look
>at?

I went back to check the new RFC 2821. My previous interpretation was not 
exact. It is not that case should be preserved, it must; even though taking 
case into account is discouraged.

RFC 2821 / 2.4:
...
"The local-part of a mailbox MUST BE treated as case sensitive."
...
"However, exploiting the case sensitivity of mailbox local-parts impedes 
interoperability and is discouraged."

Sorry for spreading not really correct information.

>Section 3.4.7 seems to imply to me that FROM and from are the same thing,
>but the argument here is that this just is about parts of the headers and
>not the email address.
>
>
>Thanks!
>Matt
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Milivoj Ivkovic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 5:06 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Case in email address
>
>
>If I read the RFCs correctly, case does not matter in the mailbox (left
>side) part, but should be preserved.
>
>I don't know of any mail server that fails to deliver mail if case changes.
>
>I never paid attention to see if case is preserved.






>local-part is up to the receiving system, and so intermediate MTAs must
>preserve the case of local-part.

>It then recommends that MTA implementors treat local-part as case insensitive
>when they are the final destination MTA, but does not require this.

You are correct of course, I should have re-read the RFC before posting.

Sorry.





>I always thought that qmail converted the user part of an incoming email
>to lowercase and then handled it appropriately.

Based on other emails, it seems clear that the RFC standard is to preserve
case for the user part of the email address. Qmail does this from what I can
tell, as far as how delivery locally goes it also appears to me that case is
ignored as the RFC recommends. Is there a way to bypass this (not that I
will, I just am curious) to have [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
be delivered separately? And is the below process correct? I hope I am not
asking questions that people feel are not appropriate for this list- please
let me know if so and I will stop this thread.

Thanks
Matt







Matt Simonsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is there a way to bypass this (not that I will, I just am curious) to have
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] be delivered separately?

Yes, the qmail-users mechanism can be used to do this.

> And is the below process correct?

There was nothing relevant below this in your message; what process?

Charles
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There was a statement made that Qmail converts an email to lower-case, but
judging by the fact that Qmail can handle those seperately I am guessing
this is incorrect.

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Cazabon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 12:32 PM
To: Qmail@List. Cr. Yp. To
Subject: Re: Case in email address


Matt Simonsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is there a way to bypass this (not that I will, I just am curious) to have
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] be delivered separately?

Yes, the qmail-users mechanism can be used to do this.

> And is the below process correct?

There was nothing relevant below this in your message; what process?

Charles
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Matt Simonsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There was a statement made that Qmail converts an email to lower-case, but
> judging by the fact that Qmail can handle those seperately I am guessing
> this is incorrect.

By default, qmail takes the users from /etc/password which have valid home
directories as the list of users which can receive mail.  It collapses case on
these.  You can override this behaviour with the qmail-users mechanism.

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Hello,

I am currently experiencing serious troubles moving a large sendmail site to a another 
box with qmail.

The sendmail configuration was rather chaotic; a mixture of /etc/aliases and 
virtusertable and lots of .forward-files.
Of course I am planning to make all users virtual, but right now that would be to 
difficult to handle as the former admin of the sendmail site doesn't know all 
passwords. Therefore the users do exist on the system.

My problem is that a lot of assignements in virtusertable were like "@domain    user", 
so I translated them to users/assign in the form: 
"+admin_of_virtual_domain-:sysuser:id:gid:::"
Is that correct?

What happens now is that such an assignement seems to make all messages go also to 
sysuser, eventhough I have specific entries like 
"=admin_of_virtual_domain-Email.Address:sysuser2:id:gid:::" for Email.Address@domain 
for sysuser2.

What is happening here? Does anyone have a recipe to translate /etc/aliases and 
virtusertable to qmail safely??

Thank you very much in advance

Philipp Homan


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Nick (Keith) Fish:

> Chris Ochap wrote:
>> start() {
>> # Start daemons.
>> echo -n $"Starting $prog: "
>> daemon /var/qmail/rc
>> /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -p -x /etc/tcprules/tcp.smtp.cdb -u
>> 51 -g 50 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd
>> RETVAL=$?
>> [ $RETVAL -eq 0 ] && touch /var/lock/subsys/qmail
>> echo
>> return $RETVAL
>> }

> Try adding "2>&1" to the end of the tcpserver line, so:

> /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -p -x /etc/tcprules/tcp.smtp.cdb -u 51 -g 50 0 smtp
> /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd 2>&1

[...]

That is not correct, that will just redirect stderr to stdout.

You need to put a single & at the end of the line that starts up
tcpserver to put the process into the background.

regards,


-- 

Joerg Lenneis

email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Chris Jackman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...] 
> We noticed that there is no delivery 2: success message, nor is there
> ever for any other email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[...]
> If we kill all the alias processes first, and then kill the rt process (78014
>  above) that is doing  "perl -T /var/rt/bin/rtmux.pl rt-mailgate tickets
> correspond", we see this in the qmail logs:
> 
> 2001-05-06 05:03:26.769179500 delivery 2: deferral: qmail-local_crashed./

It would seem at first glance that your Perl script never finishes; it blocks
on something, or goes into an endless loop.

The next step to debug this is to strace/truss the "rtmux.pl" process and find
out what's wrong with it.  However, it then becomes a Request Tracker problem,
and has nothing to do with qmail.  You'll probably want to follow this up on
that list instead of the qmail one.

Charles
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i'm not a coder i can't program something like that .. but i thought someone
already did code this kind of software.. and i'm asking if it's out there
and what is it call if it is

thanks

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Cazabon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: notification of new email whenever user logs in on the shell


> alexus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > basically somehow i need to show to user that there is a new mail
for
> > > > him/her whenever user logs in
>
> > does it matter that i no longer have /var/mail/$userid? and i have
Maildir
> > instead?
>
> Yes, that's it.  $HOME/Maildir/ makes it trivial to see if you have new
> messages; when you login, if there are files in $HOME/Maildir/new/,
there's
> new mail.  If there's files in $HOME/Maildir/cur/, you have old (seen)
mail.
> If you want to get fancy, you can code this type of check (with whatever
> output messages you want) into a system-wide shell .rc file.
>
> I have a Python script I use for this purpose, which checks multiple
Maildirs
> and presents a summary of current and new messages in each.  Send me a
message
> off-list if you want a copy.
>
> Charles
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> GPL'ed software available at:  http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/
> Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions.
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>





alexus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > > basically somehow i need to show to user that there is a new mail for
> > > him/her whenever user logs in

> > I have a Python script I use for this purpose, which checks multiple
> > Maildirs and presents a summary of current and new messages in each.  Send
> > me a message off-list if you want a copy.

> i'm not a coder i can't program something like that .. but i thought someone
> already did code this kind of software.. and i'm asking if it's out there
> and what is it call if it is

Yes, many Maildir-checkers exist.  There are half a dozen or more listed in
the "User-contributed Maildir support" section of qmail.org.  All you have to
do is put a call to one of these in a system-wide shell rc file to make it
automatic for all users on login.

Charles
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can you suggest one that widely used and most popular or 'cause i didn't
find any there
(i guess i'm blind or something)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Cazabon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: notification of new email whenever user logs in on the shell


> alexus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > basically somehow i need to show to user that there is a new mail
for
> > > > him/her whenever user logs in
>
> > > I have a Python script I use for this purpose, which checks multiple
> > > Maildirs and presents a summary of current and new messages in each.
Send
> > > me a message off-list if you want a copy.
>
> > i'm not a coder i can't program something like that .. but i thought
someone
> > already did code this kind of software.. and i'm asking if it's out
there
> > and what is it call if it is
>
> Yes, many Maildir-checkers exist.  There are half a dozen or more listed
in
> the "User-contributed Maildir support" section of qmail.org.  All you have
to
> do is put a call to one of these in a system-wide shell rc file to make it
> automatic for all users on login.
>
> Charles
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> GPL'ed software available at:  http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/
> Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions.
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>





alexus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yes, many Maildir-checkers exist.  There are half a dozen or more listed
> > in the "User-contributed Maildir support" section of qmail.org.

> can you suggest one that widely used and most popular or 'cause i didn't
> find any there (i guess i'm blind or something)

There's several.  The first one one the page is a link in the line which reads
"Matthew C. Mead has a ``from'' program that prints a summary of mail in a
maildir waiting to be read. ".  The line below that has a link to another one.
I have no idea how popular these are; I use a quickie Python script I wrote.
Here's a freebie, in bash shell scripting:

#!/bin/bash

INBOX=$HOME/Maildir
new=`ls "$INBOX"/new/ | wc -l`
if [ "$new" -gt 0 ] ; then
    echo "You have $new new messages waiting."
fi

Charles
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ok thanks for that script it works just fine:)

two more questions though

first if i'll put it in /etc/profile will it work for all users?

i'm using FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE

and another question how do i notify user when e-mail arriving while he's on
shell?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Cazabon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: notification of new email whenever user logs in on the shell


> alexus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Yes, many Maildir-checkers exist.  There are half a dozen or more
listed
> > > in the "User-contributed Maildir support" section of qmail.org.
>
> > can you suggest one that widely used and most popular or 'cause i didn't
> > find any there (i guess i'm blind or something)
>
> There's several.  The first one one the page is a link in the line which
reads
> "Matthew C. Mead has a ``from'' program that prints a summary of mail in a
> maildir waiting to be read. ".  The line below that has a link to another
one.
> I have no idea how popular these are; I use a quickie Python script I
wrote.
> Here's a freebie, in bash shell scripting:
>
> #!/bin/bash
>
> INBOX=$HOME/Maildir
> new=`ls "$INBOX"/new/ | wc -l`
> if [ "$new" -gt 0 ] ; then
>     echo "You have $new new messages waiting."
> fi
>
> Charles
> --
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> Charles Cazabon                            <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> GPL'ed software available at:  http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/
> Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>





I am running qmail on:
        RedHat 6.2
        256 Mb Ram

I set concurrency remote = 150...

however, most of the time, it seems like only a handful of remote processes
are running, even though the queue backs up (right now, over 14000 msgs in
queue and only 20 remote processes running)...

Anybody have an idea about how to force it to run faster or at least not
kill off my qmail-remote processes?

New to this list so hope I provided enough info.

Michael Geier
CDM Sports Systems Administrator
        email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        phone: 314.991.1511 x 6505





"Michael Geier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I am running qmail on:
>       RedHat 6.2
>       256 Mb Ram
>
>I set concurrency remote = 150...
>
>however, most of the time, it seems like only a handful of remote processes
>are running, even though the queue backs up (right now, over 14000 msgs in
>queue and only 20 remote processes running)...

Are you sure concurrencyremote is set to 150? You restarted qmail-send
after changing it? The logs reflect the 150 setting?

>Anybody have an idea about how to force it to run faster

Faster disk
More memory
Faster network
Replace syslog with multilog
Install djbdns, run dnscache
Kill non-qmail processes
Faster CPU

>or at least not kill off my qmail-remote processes?

What makes you think qmail-remote processes are being killed off?

-Dave




Michael Geier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I set concurrency remote = 150...
> 
> however, most of the time, it seems like only a handful of remote processes
> are running, even though the queue backs up (right now, over 14000 msgs in
> queue and only 20 remote processes running)...

Most likely you did not restart qmail after changing concurrencyremote, as
20 is the default maximum for this.  `man qmail-send` for details.

Charles
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thanks for the tips Dave...

to those that had replied:
        I had rebooted qmail (frequently)...
        I installed djbdns, killed splogger, and rebooted server

        things seem to be much better.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Sill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 12:30 PM
To: Qmail Mailing List
Subject: Re: newbie question with concurrency remote


"Michael Geier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I am running qmail on:
>       RedHat 6.2
>       256 Mb Ram
>
>I set concurrency remote = 150...
>
>however, most of the time, it seems like only a handful of remote processes
>are running, even though the queue backs up (right now, over 14000 msgs in
>queue and only 20 remote processes running)...

Are you sure concurrencyremote is set to 150? You restarted qmail-send
after changing it? The logs reflect the 150 setting?

>Anybody have an idea about how to force it to run faster

Faster disk
More memory
Faster network
Replace syslog with multilog
Install djbdns, run dnscache
Kill non-qmail processes
Faster CPU

>or at least not kill off my qmail-remote processes?

What makes you think qmail-remote processes are being killed off?

-Dave





Jamyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>$qmail_home/control/concurrencyremote
>         The number you insert into this file determines how
>         many remote sockets/connections at a time your mail
>         server will open.

Yes.

>$qmail_home/control/concurrencylocal
>         The number you insert into this file determines how
>         many local/incoming mail connections you want Qmail
>         to allow at a time.

No. It's the maximum number of simultaneous local deliveries. The
limit on incoming SMTP sessions is determined by tcpserver, if you use
it. The default is 20. "Life with qmail" adds a pseudo-control file
called concurrencyincoming that is passed to tcpserver.

-Dave




"Neil Whittington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>The default run level is 3.
>
>The links created are:
>  ln -s ../init.d/svscan S89svscan
>    in rc3.d and rc5.d
>
>  ln -s ../init.d/svscan K12svscan
>    in rc0.d rc1.d rc2.d and rc6.d

So you're starting svscan at runlevel 3. Is it running after the
system boots?

What links did you create for qmail?

-Dave




Excellent list people,

I'm trying to get the smtp after pop authentication part of vpopmail 
to work. I followed the LWQ instructions to install qmail and I'm 
using qmail-pop3d. Where should the below startup line for vchkpw be 
placed?

Thanks!
Steven


12. How to use vchkpw with qmail-pop3d server

        Here is a sample startup line for qmail-pop3d and vchkpw

        env - PATH="/var/qmail/bin:/usr/local/bin" \
        tcpserver -H -R 0 pop-3 \
        /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup your.domain.com \
        /home-dir-of-vpopmail/bin/vchkpw /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir &





On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 09:56:10AM +0200, Peter van Dijk wrote:
> [note: section 2.4.1 doesn't exist in RFC2821, nor in RFC821]

The author means section 2.4.

Mate




Hi - I have qmail setup 1.03 - Solaris 8 recent patch cluster - Netra X1. I
have roaming users ( sales guys ) that need to auth thru smtp ( qmail ) to
send messages. I can't seem to get it to go. This is just Outlook 2000
 DELL win 2000 )on a laptop and the server for testing purposes. I have
installed auth patch and djb's checkpasswd program - I upgrade to the
SMTP_AUTH patch .30 and was trying cmd5checkpw - same result. I need a
little bit more info on how to implement. I have followed the instructions
but things are still a little unclear. Do I need qmail remote or  a pop
server. ( They only want to send mail thru this server - they  will dial
there isp and then auth thru the qmail server. I am also using tcpserver to
run qmail.

I had some instructions on how to test the server with the AUTH cmd through
checkpasswd ( I only tested plain at the time) which I can no longer find -
it work as outlines and put me in my home dir. Since I have upgraded I need
to retest the server. Right now under AUTH plain it gives me out of memory -
I don't know that I'm still testing this procedure right. I would like to
test LOGIN but don't know how or what to return when it returns it's string.

qmail_smtp_auth 0.30
cmd5checkpd 0.22 or checkpasswd
qmail 1.03

tcpserver smtp  startup
#!/bin/sh
QMAILDUID=`/usr/xpg4/bin/id -u qmaild`
NOFILESGID=`/usr/xpg4/bin/id -g qmaild`
MAXSMTPD=`cat /var/qmail/control/concurrencyincoming`
exec /usr/local/bin/softlimit -m 2000000 \
    /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -p -x /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -c "$MAXSMTPD" \
        -u "$QMAILDUID" -g "$NOFILESGID" 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd
me.me.com \
        /bin/cmd5checkpw /bin/true  smtpd 3 2>&1

I have followed the outgoing instruction for Outlook for the client but it
won't let me auth.


question  - what should be in inet.conf if I'm using tcpserver?


Thanks
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Please send all flames to PG&E and EL PASO Natural GAS( the weasels! )






<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I had some instructions on how to test the server with the AUTH cmd through
>checkpasswd ( I only tested plain at the time) which I can no longer find -
>it work as outlines and put me in my home dir. Since I have upgraded I need
>to retest the server. Right now under AUTH plain it gives me out of memory -
>I don't know that I'm still testing this procedure right. I would like to
>test LOGIN but don't know how or what to return when it returns it's string.
>
>qmail_smtp_auth 0.30
>cmd5checkpd 0.22 or checkpasswd
>qmail 1.03
>
>tcpserver smtp  startup
>#!/bin/sh
>QMAILDUID=`/usr/xpg4/bin/id -u qmaild`
>NOFILESGID=`/usr/xpg4/bin/id -g qmaild`
>MAXSMTPD=`cat /var/qmail/control/concurrencyincoming`
>exec /usr/local/bin/softlimit -m 2000000 \
>    /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -p -x /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -c "$MAXSMTPD" \
>        -u "$QMAILDUID" -g "$NOFILESGID" 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd
>me.me.com \
>        /bin/cmd5checkpw /bin/true  smtpd 3 2>&1
>
>I have followed the outgoing instruction for Outlook for the client but it
>won't let me auth.

Try raising the memory limit (the 2000000) to 4000000, 8000000 until
the "out of memory" error goes away.

>question  - what should be in inet.conf if I'm using tcpserver?

Nothing related to the services handled by tcpserver.

-Dave




I've installed v.1.03 from  a src.deb package onto Debian Potato.
There is a large volume of literature which I've spent some days
reading and can't find explanations for a number of points (entirely
due to my semi- computer literate state).

I connect to an ISP by dialling with a modem and have just two user
accounts. I've never really understood the concept of a FQDN and so
can't with confidence create a /var/qmail/control file. Hypothetically,   
my ISP is heaven.com, I call my box eden and have users adam and  
eve, what is my FQDN? (I log in as say garden - so outsiders email
me as [EMAIL PROTECTED]).

I fail to understand exactly what part alias plays in the setup.  At
a minimum, I should create three - root, postmaster and
mailer-daemon, but do I need any for my user accounts and why?

With the simple setup I have should I bother with the dot-forward,
daemontools and fastforward packages?

I know these are very simple questions, but could someone give 
a simple explanation to help me along. What I would ideally like is 
a write up for a minimal  setup for the type of installation I have -
it seems none exists or else I can't find it.

Help will be much appreciated.

John.




john gennard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've installed v.1.03 from  a src.deb package onto Debian Potato.
> There is a large volume of literature which I've spent some days
> reading and can't find explanations for a number of points (entirely
> due to my semi- computer literate state).

Please do not take this as a flame, insult, or pointless reply, but if (by
your own admission) you are only semi-literate in computers, what are you
doing installing a Unix MTA?

Perhaps you should instead use something like mutt to read mail off your ISP's
POP3 or IMAP server, and transfer any outgoing mail to them with a relay-only
MTA like nullmailer.

> I connect to an ISP by dialling with a modem and have just two user
> accounts. I've never really understood the concept of a FQDN and so
> can't with confidence create a /var/qmail/control file. Hypothetically,   
> my ISP is heaven.com, I call my box eden and have users adam and  
> eve, what is my FQDN? (I log in as say garden - so outsiders email
> me as [EMAIL PROTECTED]).

You don't have an FQDN.  Well, you do, but it changes everytime you connect,
and it's something like "dialin-254-43-129-32-us-west.spurious.isp.net".

> I fail to understand exactly what part alias plays in the setup.  At
> a minimum, I should create three - root, postmaster and
> mailer-daemon, but do I need any for my user accounts and why?

No, and it's a big discussion.

> With the simple setup I have should I bother with the dot-forward,
> daemontools and fastforward packages?

No.

> I know these are very simple questions, but could someone give 
> a simple explanation to help me along. What I would ideally like is 
> a write up for a minimal  setup for the type of installation I have -
> it seems none exists or else I can't find it.

qmail is designed for well-connected hosts (read: your internet connection is
fast and always-on).  While it can be made to do what you want it to do, it
isn't completely trivial, and probably requires more Unix system
administration skills to install, configure, and maintain than you currently
posess.  Lurk in this list for a few months, and you may pick up enough to get
there.

Charles
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* john gennard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010511 15:25]:
> I connect to an ISP by dialling with a modem and have just two user
> accounts. 

So you need serialmail. Get and install it. There are many hints on how
to do this in this list's archive.

> I've never really understood the concept of a FQDN and so
> can't with confidence create a /var/qmail/control file. 

Your box has a name, consisting of your domain (which you don't have)
and its local hostname. You can register a domain for a dial-up system
at dyndns.org or something.

> Hypothetically,   my ISP is heaven.com, I call my box eden and have
> users adam and  eve, what is my FQDN? (I log in as say garden - so
> outsiders email me as [EMAIL PROTECTED]).

That is irrelevant. You just want your From address to be correct.

> I fail to understand exactly what part alias plays in the setup.  At a
> minimum, I should create three - root, postmaster and mailer-daemon,
> but do I need any for my user accounts and why?

Aliases are email addresses without local users. Mail to root is
internally forwarded to a user you put in ~alias/.qmail-root, for
example.

> With the simple setup I have should I bother with the dot-forward,
> daemontools and fastforward packages?

Depends on where you come from and where you want to go. dot-forward and
fastforward should be unnecessary, but daemontools and ucspi-tcp are
very clever.

> I know these are very simple questions, but could someone give 
> a simple explanation to help me along. What I would ideally like is 
> a write up for a minimal  setup for the type of installation I have -
> it seems none exists or else I can't find it.

Ummmm... Just install qmail, ucspi-tcp, daemontools and serialmail and
follow the instructions step by set. Really. :-)




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Title: MASS mailing

Hi,
        My name is Mike and I am the UNIX admin at WB online.  Anyway, I was tasked with rolling out a new mailing list server because our ListServe box is too slow and easy to hack.  I set up qmail on a small 450mhz SUN netra and it seems to also be too slow.  I need to be able to deliver about 1,000,000 emails a day and from the speed I get out of my netra I will need a dozen of them! 

        Does anyone have any idea of what hardware will work best for huge "newsletter" server?  I was thinking of setting up a cluster of 5 to 10 netras to speed up delivery.  However, it may be better to just get bigger servers.  I have also run out of inodes in the var filesystem due to too many queued mails :-)

Thanks for any suggestions,
Mike Kuriger
WBOnline
818-977-8198





Kuriger, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My name is Mike and I am the UNIX admin at WB online.  Anyway, I was tasked
> with rolling out a new mailing list server because our ListServe box is too
> slow and easy to hack.  I set up qmail on a small 450mhz SUN netra and it
> seems to also be too slow.  I need to be able to deliver about 1,000,000
> emails a day and from the speed I get out of my netra I will need a dozen of
> them!  

High-volume qmail servers is a topic which comes up regularly on this list; if
you search the qmail mailing list archives, you will find many good technical
suggestions on getting the best performance out of your system.  You can find
a link to the archives at qmail.org.

A few things you'll probably want:

    -big-concurrency patch, and a concurrencyremote setting of 500 or as high
    as you have resources for
    -queue on it's own disk or disks (RAID), possibly on its own SCSI
    controller
    -15kRPM SCSI disk(s)
    -logging through multilog, to separate disk
    -use something other than Solaris; it's horribly slow in file operations
    and its networking code is bloated, buggy, and slow
    -if your mailings are unique-per-user (i.e. body changes for every
    recipient), you'll need the big-todo patch, and there are various ways of
    scheduling the message injection to maximize delivery speed
    -if your mailings are all identical message bodies, use ezmlm/ezmlm-idx as
    your mailing list manager, or write something custom which uses qmail's
    VERP functionality to automate bounce handling
    -have bounces handled by a separate machine

There's other tricks as well, but with the above list you should easily be
able to handle 1M deliveries a day on decent hardware.  I'm afraid I'm not
familiar with the Netra you mention.

Charles
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Hello,
I would like to control (or add) to a subject line text.

This is for a server that virt hosts approx 20 domains.  I would like to
be able to add information to all incoming mail for one particular domain.
Is there a qmail trick for this, or do I need to go through a pl script?

Thanks in advance.  So far I have been unable to find anything like this.

Derrik





Inthereal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> This is for a server that virt hosts approx 20 domains.  I would like to
> be able to add information to all incoming mail for one particular domain.
> Is there a qmail trick for this, or do I need to go through a pl script?

One way would be to use Bruce Guenter's QMAILQUEUE patch, and then use his
qmail-qfilter mechanism (or roll your own) to modify the messages as they are
injected into the queue.  You can find the neccessary links at qmail.org.

Charles
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Robin S. Socha writes:
 > * Paulo Jan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010510 11:00]:
 > > Considering the guy's name, perhaps English isn't his primary language
 > > and he isn't fluent at all with it, which would also explain why he
 > > wasn't able to express himself politely enough when rejecting the
 > > "offer" from that consultant, and had to resort to a
 > > basic-and-apparently-rude-sounding phrase like "I was asking for free
 > > help". Did that thought cross your mind?
 > 
 > Not for second. I'm German. I don't think.

Please forgive Robin.  English isn't his primary language, and he
sometimes uses rude words and phrases that I'm sure he would never,
ever say in his native German.

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Dave Sill writes:
 > Second, the offer of commercial support made to Pablo was sent
 > privately, not to list. Pablo's reposting it publicly is at least as
 > rude as trolling the list for clients.

The best way to troll the list for clients is to answer people's
questions.

 > Answering FAQ's is "nice", but it's tiresome and contributes to
 > lowering the signal/noise ratio on the list and it encourages other
 > newbies to ask their FAQ's.

Flaming them about it, though, produces triple the traffic:
  1) The newbie's mail
  2) The flamer's mail, and
  3) The backlash against Robin.

 > Ignoring FAQ's is the easiest and safest approach. It encourages the
 > newbie to search the web, list archives, etc. and doesn't reward
 > newbies by answering their question. It keeps the signal/noise ratio
 > high, and it keeps the civility and morale high.

Probably.  But it demands a certain amount of Teutonic self-control.

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I have problem with Users.
I Using qmail with MySQL and trying to send mail. If i send mail then i
don't receive that user doesn't exist but the mail isnt't delivered to his
mailbox. What can be wrong ??
I did everything in LifeWithQMAIL configuration guide and it doesn't work.
If you need some confs pleas tell mi which one you need.
Can someone help me ??





Am 12.05.2001 um 08:14:41 schrieb Pavel Sorejs:

Hi Pavel,

> I Using qmail with MySQL
> I did everything in LifeWithQMAIL 

afaik LWQ does not talk about MySQL, does it?

As it seems that you do not have long-time experience with qmail it
might make sense to follow LWQ *EXACTLY* to get a plain installation
that works. If this works and if you got at least a basic knowledge of
what is going on you could customize the setup, e.g. patch qmail to use
a MySQL Database to look up users.

bye

/ch




hello, 
I install the qmail on Solaris 5.7, I can receive letter,but when I diliver letters,
the server say "451 qq internal bug(#4.3.1)" ,How to deal with this problem? thx!



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