On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 03:08:55PM -0400, Andrew Cullen wrote:
>
> As part of an earlier question I found out that my ISP will not relay my
> bounce e-mails because the FROM portion of the envelope is left empty.
> My ISP is in no way going to assist me in my problem and I really cannot
> switch at this time so I'm looking for a solution. So... does anyone
> know how I can add some sort of sender info to the Qmail bounces before
> they go to qmail-remote? Do I have to hack qmail-remote.c directly?
I just went and checked your earlier thread -- this is the same ISP that
is blocking port 25 outbound, right? This ISP needs a big whack with a
bigger clue-stick. If you can't SMTP out, they're forcing you to relay
through them. Then they tell you what can and cannot be relayed --
denying bounce messages??? Here's what I would do:
Call the ISP and explain the facts -- they're forcing you to relay,
either let you relay or stop forcing you to. Simple as that. Take it as
high as possible. If you reach noone with a clue, or are put off in
any way, or *shudder* told that "Yes, we understand, but we don't care",
cancel your account immediately, and explain why. They're in violation
of the SMTP RFCs* and simple common sense. Then report them to
rfc-ignorant.org. Then tell the qmail list (and anyone else) who these
folks are so that we may blackhole their traffic. :) I've just checked,
and my ISP (Telus) does the same thing with their relay server, but _do
not_ force you to use it -- port 25 is not filtered in either direction.
This is IMHO the Right Thing To Do (TM) in this situation.
* I'm not positive that they're in strict violation of the SMTP RFCs
themselves, but IIUC they are forcing you to be -- you cannot deliver
bounces. I suspect that they accept their own bounces, and deliver their
own, and I don't recall anything regarding what must be accepted for
relay in RFC 821/2821 that applies here. The simple fact is, though,
that they're forcing you to relay and disallowing what you must be
allowed to send if you are to be RFC compliant.
--
Greg White
- Albert Einstein
