> Eric Shubert wrote:
>> MagicWISP Sales wrote:
>>> I just wanted to thank everybody for their help.  I had a
qtp toaster
>>>  running on VMWare on a Quad Pentium 2
machine – let me tell you that
>>> will not work.  It
was an experiment that got pressed into service as
>>> an
emergency.  Scan times after killing blacklists and ClamAV on
>>> emails of 222k were at 300 seconds, wow.  It caused
duplicate emails
>>> and all kinds of craziness, even after
adding Spamdyke.  I used one of
>>> Jakes tips on his video
page and cut the scan time down to an average
>>> of 110 on
the same email.  Quite an improvement but still too high to
>>> be usable.  I moved the VM to a temp machine this week, an
old
>>> E-Machines computer of all things with an AMD Athlon
XP 2000 processor
>>> with a whole 1G of memory, and scan
times on the same message fell to
>>> 17 seconds.  Again
– still too high, but at least the duplicate emails
>>> stopped.  I just used another tweak from Jakes video site
and the scan
>>> time fell to 9 seconds, with the blacklists
and ClamAV scans going
>>> again.  That will work until the
replacement server gets here next
>>> week.  If you are
using VMWare, you really need a higher end machine,
>>> I
think that could be the moral of this story.  The first server that
>>> was in use, had a sister sitting right next to it that ran
the QTP,
>>> plus webhost, plus a radius server, and never
ever broke a sweat.
>>> VMWare is a hog to say the least. 
Jake’s video subscription may be
>>> the best thing I
have found for some quick instruction on usage of
>>> real
world tweaks.  Jake and Eric are always willing to help, and have
>>> great experiences to provide.  Also a shout out to Brent
for fixing
>>> the Spamdyke script – it works.  Now if
I can figure out how to make
>>> the smtp log change at
midnight instead of whenever it wants, I will
>>> be happy. 
Great job all of you guys – you really are lifesavers!!!
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for sharing.
>>
>> Before I comment on this, I want to check the
facts. This was a Quad
>> P-II, and not a Quad P-4, right? Just
checking. Not that it would make
>> all that much difference.
I'll have some comments to make regarding your
>> experience
with VM guests soon.
>>
>> FWIW, I just migrated a
QMT from one VM guest to another, on the same
>> host. The
former ran nicely (and still does on another host). The new
>>
QMT VM is a pig. I'm not sure what the problem is yet. Top takes 10% of
>> the cpu on the pig host, while on another guest w/ same kernel,
top runs
>> less than 1%. So somewhere I'm seeing a ~10x
performance difference
>> between 2 guests on the same host.
It'll be interesting (to say the
>> least) to find the reason
why. There are some differences between the 3
>> guests, but
not too many. I hope to nail it soon.
>>
> 
>
I've determined that as long as the ram on the guest is less than 656M,
> the guest runs speedily. If it's over that, then performance
degrades by
> a factor of 10. This threshold is not hard and
fixed, as on another host
> the limit appeared to be 680M.

I'm afraid to ask how you came to that strange number...  I
did see you mention that before somewhere but it was related to running on
32 bit.  I'm running x64 host and guest and haven't seen anything
like that.  In fact my QMT guest was running on 4G for a while and
after watching it, I saw it never really used more than a couple hundred
meg.  The rest went to cache.  I just knocked it back to 1G a
couple weeks ago and it seems to be just as happy and perky.
> 
> This appears to be an issue with memory management (duh). This VM
guest
> has vmware-tools installed, which does have a guest memory
management
> component. Could be a bug in that code. I'll be doing
more testing to
> try identify the culprit, and post findings on
the wiki.
> 
I think that's a note worthy of the wiki. 
Most people don't understand that the tools do more than video
drivers.  I'll add that...

> The difference in
performance is rather astounding, and counter
> intuitive in that
*less* ram runs faster. I'm sure there's a logical
> explanation,
but I don't yet know what it is.

Haven't seen it in x64.

Phil
> 
> --
> -Eric 'shubes'

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