On 11/25/2013 12:15 PM, Postmaster wrote:
I guess we can debate about how useful or useless those disclaimers are. However, just my 2p on this issue:

- Let define it: A disclaimer is generally any statement intended to specify or delimit the scope of rights and obligations that may be exercised and enforced by parties in a legally recognized relationship :))
- a legal opinion contains a huge disclaimer as well :)
- in several countries there is certain requirement towards how communication can/cannot be conducted:
   1. In Germany every bank is putting information about the Board members and names (the same as on every headed paper)
   2. In the UK, the FSA regulated companies are putting their FSA registered number and other information in the footer section (the same as on headed paper)
- I am a little bit surprised to learn that somebody thought that disclaimer are legally binding.

I am not going to discuss the disclaimer on McDonald coffee: "Carefully, very hot!". No way.....
If stupidity is outlawed will only outlaws be stupid?


Regards
Alex




On 25/11/2013 19:24, Dan McAllister wrote:
On 11/25/2013 1:11 PM, Eric Shubert wrote:
The problem has to do with electronic signatures. Any sort of signing that's done needs to happen after the footer is added. Having the server add a footer would break gpg that's implemented by the client.

There might be a suitable way to add a footer on the server for submitted (authenticated) messages that are otherwise unsigned, before adding a DKIM signature. We can certainly look into this at some point, but it's not a priority in my view. Of course, anyone can make it their own priority and write some code to do it. This is after all a community project.

P.S. I'd beg to differ that "all" enterprises implement this at the server, although many of them do. Many of them also run Exchange, which I do not recommend in most cases. ;)

P.P.S. There is also some disagreement as to the effectiveness of these disclaimers. Personally, I think they're rather silly (although IANAL). I wonder if there's ever been a case in court where a disclaimer had any effect.

To Eric's point:

I have a number of financial advisors and insurance agencies that seem to think that these "signatures" are a requirement (e.g.: "requests to bind insurance cannot be made via email", etc.) However, recent legal opinions in several states have held that these "signatures" cannot be legally binding -- in part because they're being delivered via e-mail, which makes them every bit as unenforceable as the typed of email they're warning against.

Never the less, the professional organizations still suggest that these disclaimers be present.

Kind of reminds me of the warning on the back of the peanut butter jar that reads: "WARNING: This product is manufactured in a plant that may use peanuts."
Really?

Dan

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