Fabian Jakobs wrote:
Chris Banford schrieb:
Sebastian Werner wrote:
Chris Banford schrieb:
Fabian Jakobs wrote:
Tobias Koller (GERMO GmbH) schrieb:
Hi,
one question.
Is it possible to just use the fantastic layouting in qooxdoo 0.8 to
build an web-application?
It is always a big problem to layout divs and spans etc exactly in all
browsers (its standard in qooxdoo) ;).
A standard-application was still very big in 0.7 (about 1mb? that’s
why I’m asking about only use qx-layouts).
Did the size of a qx-application change between 07 and 0.8?
I guess I will use standard qx 0.8 including widgets but would also
like to know if it would be possible to just use the layouts.
Thanks a lot.
Tobias
Hi Tobias,
It might be feasible to do but not out of the box. In 0.8 we separated
the layout manager from the widgets. The layout manager always works
with instances of the abstract class "LayoutItem". Right now the only
concrete sub class of LayoutItem is Widget (let's ignore spacers for the
moment) but widgets are probably to heavy for a classic web page. It may
be interesting to evaluate how a very light weight layout item would
perform. Maybe just a very small wrapper for a single DIV element, which
implements the methods required by the layout manager. If this works I
would expect a file size to be about 200KB.
Best Fabian
This might be a use-case where you could look to a different js library
that approaches its components from the opposite end of the spectrum to
qooxdoo -- libraries like YUI were designed to be able to add a small
bit of functionality to existing pages, with as little as possible
breaking in them if js is deactivated. qooxdoo seems to have developed
from wanting to build a 'real' desktop style app that controls the whole
browser window.
I know that 0.8 has moved in the direction of being able to embed
"islands" of qooxdoo into a web page, but I'd bet that YUI would be
better for something like you've described...
http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/layout/
That said, our company is seriously looking to moving our YUI-based
tools to qooxdoo for our next big release (next year is the hope). We
might stick to stick with YUI for small js stand-a-lone widgets that
have to function in normal web pages (200KB is way too big, even if its
gzip'd).
200KB was meant as un-gzipped. When you zip it the result will maybe
only 40KB.
Sebastian
Hi Sebastian,
Wasn't trying to make advertising for a sort of competing js library :-) .
Yes, I know that this shrinks down to around 40KB when zipped -- but
I'm pretty sure for this concrete example, that YUI's libs would be
smaller.
-Chris
They have optimized their library for this special use case, we have
not. I guess if YUI layout fits your need it is currently the better
choice for this job. Maybe this changes in the future :-)
Best Fabian
There's a strong reason why we're so excited about qooxdoo and seriously
researching making the switch :-)
-Chris
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