I use the newest version in a single file (actually there is a tiny boot
loader file and my large file holding everything). I don't have 'pages' in
my app, I have a full blown browser replacement for our Windows desktop
application. To me, there isn't much of a difference in the way the files
are handled between .7 and .8, not sure why you think there is a big
difference.
Otherwise, glad we are on the same page with regard to qooxdoo, it is
awesome.
Thanks for the clarification,
Jim
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Jason P Sage <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> Yeah, I think you totally misread what I was saying. Someone said they had
> a
> problem with dependencies, something they did incorrectly. Then that same
> person recommended perhaps that qooxdoo developers spend more time making
> that harder to do. My point was - javascript is javascript - you can break
> it easily. I don't think qooxdoo developers should be trying to make
> javascript and the qooxdoo library foolproof, but instead should continue
> on
> the course they seem to be following which is adding new features.
>
> I think javascript is fine - each language has their demons, and I don't
> think it would be wise for the qooxdoo developers to spend time making more
> and more "safety code" - they've already made plenty. I like the new
> features.
>
> As to me personally liking the 0.7 release paradigm: its all about the
> "release" mechanisms, not the code base or the widgets. I like everything
> in
> qooxdoo. I'm glad you like having a separate compile for each web page, but
> the systems I write require tons of pages and having one consistent API
> makes more sense than trying to optimize each page, and have a separate
> "pseudo" compile for each web page. Especially when that one big file is
> cached on the users machine. If you have a whole web application using it
> over and over - no harm, no foul easier version control, easier deployment.
> This is more or less how Echo3 javascript client works.
>
> No one is taking anything out on the qooxdoo developers at all. We are all
> just trying to help each other. I can see how not seeing the full thread
> you
> might have misunderstood me.
>
> --Jason
>
>
>
>
> From: Jim Hunter [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 4:15 PM
> To: qooxdoo Development
> Subject: Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Build Problems - Couldn't the qooxdoo
> developers just... (response from another qooxdoo user)
>
> Hmm, I don't understand what your post was getting at. It sounds like you
> are not a fan of JavaScript. OK, that's fine, but don't take that out on
> the
> developers of qooxdoo. I was a big fan of the .7 framework but I am in love
> with the .8.x code! I think they are getting closer to how I like to code.
> It did take a little while to make the mental change from .7, but I did and
> I don't want to look back. I especially love the layout system of .8, it's
> fantastic.
>
> Your files should be smaller if you are only compiling in code you are
> using, or at least not much bigger. Sure, if you compile in everything it
> will be larger because there is more that the new version can do. I too am
> a
> big fan of Pascal, coming from the Delphi world, but so far, I don't mind
> JavaScript. It can do more then most people think.
>
> Jim
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Jason P Sage <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> I have a thought on this.
>
> Now why something won't build, perhaps they can help however... Let me say
> something about Javascript in general.
>
> I spent the last four days trying to implement a fairly simple idea into
> code, and a single misplaced curly bracket renders MILES of my error
> handling code useless. I am forced to block out HUGE chunks of code, and
> reintroduce them one at a time to make sure they aren't the cause with a
> combination of try-catch and debug confirm statements everywhere. So with
> Javascript, error in line blahblah messages just don't appear in all
> circumstances.
>
> One thing that helps me greatly for some debugging close to a binary
> debugger for languages like freepascal and c++ is FireBug, and ADDON for
> firefox. That thing is simply put: AWESOME.
>
> I'm not one of the qooxdoo developers, but adding even more weight in code
> for something that users like yourself can easily cause, just means more
> time being invested in an area that I think would be better spent knocking
> out CORE bugs and keeping the code base as lean as possible. (Frankly I'm a
> fan of 0.7 - I think the new way is a bit cumbersome myself... much prefer
> one source file with everything, and use what you like when you like
> paradigm).
>
> --Jason
>
>
>
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