On 06/16/2010 11:58 AM, Burak Arslan wrote: > On 06/15/10 14:12, Jean-Baptiste BRIAUD -- Novlog wrote: >> On 15 juin 2010, at 13:03, thron7 wrote: >> >> >>> This was not the point. The point was that we have a direction, and that >>> things have to fit into that direction in order to be adopted. >>> >> >> What is that direction, could we know ? >> Who give that direction ? Is it done in the spirit of open source community ? >> What is the process of decision, committee, ... ? >> >> Answering that will answer all the other question about people involvement. >> >> >> > > Hi, > > 1) We absolutely need answers to the above questions.
You "absolutely" need answers to those questions?! I thought they were pretty obvious, in one form or the other, and most people seem to get it. But some people choose not to hear what they don't want to hear... Well, if you "must" have the answers, here is my personal take on them: >> What is that direction, could we know ? The base line is: To provide a framework to build desktop-like RIAs in an industrial way. This explains the tendency towards big applications, with lots of classes and lots of dependencies, lots of resources like images, the OO system with interfaces, mixins and properties, the class and name space concepts, and the build system. I think we're all happy to cover other scenarios and application areas too, *iff* they don't interfere with the primary direction. >> Who give that direction ? Make an educated guess - 1&1?! >> Is it done in the spirit of open source community ? Depends how you define open source community. It's not open source in the sense of democracy and equal rights. It's open source in the sense of, well, open source code, liberal license, free to use, alter and integrate, of interchange of code and ideas. But no guaranties of influence. If you want to have it exactly your way, create a fork. >> What is the process of decision, committee, ... ? Technical leads of in-house projects identify demands, they are coordinated with Andreas and our own senior developers. Demands of out-of-house projects are taken into account to varying degrees, depending on management judgment and suitability for the overall strategy. "Low-hanging fruits" are often integrated faster and may have less coherence with the main direction, everything else takes longer and is considered more carefully. > 2) Most people think that the ml is great. Well, I think the core team > is too nice. They never say no and they try to answer every single > question in the ml, no matter how moronic it is. It's a real time drain > for them, they should be doing real work instead of explaining joe > randomcoder the basics of javascript. Actually, compared to other support forums I know our ml is really focused and most questions are worthwhile answering. Real "baby whiners" are rare, most people are technically savvy, self-organized and know how to read documentation :). As the mailing list is considered a strong point of qooxdoo, esp. when starting with it, I wouldn't want to reduce the amount of support that can be gained by using it. I would, on the other hand, be *very* happy if the core team (including Derrell, who does a tremendous job since many years) could muster less of that burden. In many communities it is a natural way that novices are informed by 1st level adopters that have mastered the initial stage, and the 1st level adopters are informed by 2nd level adopters who are more advanced, and so forth, so only truely difficult or rare problems have to be addressed by some experts. Unfortunately, many of the 2nd and 3rd level adopters of qooxdoo turn to their own matters only... > Not everybody can contribute code or documentation, but everybody who > honestly wants to support qooxdoo can answer the occasional newbie about > a particular aspect of js/qooxdoo ecosystem. Well said! T. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo _______________________________________________ qooxdoo-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/qooxdoo-devel
