Kai, I'm compiling and using qt-creator in multiple environments, primarily OSX 10.6 and a variety of Linux distributions. I'm happy to give you details of my environments and stack traces.
brett On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 7:10 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > since this partly about Qml support which I'm personally involved in, I'd > like to add my two cents :) > > > [...] > > Creator mainline is not working. I have reports both from internal and > > external users on a regular basis of either creator not building, or > > creator crashing upon startup. I have pushed the externals to submit > > bugreports, but, again, my experience here has been less than glowing. > > Being close to the front lines of the project, sometimes this can be > missed. > > It would be interesting to know which platform / compiler they are using. > Cause I personally have been working with bleeding edge creator since the > early beginning, and it was rare that I had to switch to a different version > altogether. I'm working 8 hours a day with latest master. Sure, there are > crashes from time to time, but that's probably to be expected with "bleeding > edge", and we can normally sort them out rather quickly. > > > To fix these issues, can we implement some sort of staging/CI system > > like we have for Qt? > > I don't see that a staging system would gain us much. First, the Qt > staging/CI system is heavily based on autotests, but the creator autotest > suite isn't up to really catch most issues. I think we should have more > autotests (you can always have more autotests!), but then again testing a UI > program with good coverage is inherently difficult ... So, I don't think it > would gain you that much in terms of stability. Second, the experiences we > have with the Qt autotest system when it comes to integration delays aren't > exactly encouraging ;) Right now we can quickly respond to a bug report with > "fixed it, will be available to externals in 12 hours". This would change to > "fixed it, might take weeks until it is be available to you". This is btw > especially true for the Qml support, where we had to quickly react to > changes in the QtDeclarative API in the past ... > > An IMO more viable alternative would be to have some sort of tested > snapshots now and then. > > > For qml usage, bleeding edge is the only choice currently, and the > > perceived quality of creator from the bleeding edgers is that > > creator's... not usable at all. > > Well, you can stick to e.g. the Alpha, and even creator 1.3 has some > limited QML support. The QML text editor + runtime infrastructure has been > pretty stable for me anyhow. Regarding QmlDesigner - yeah, the quality is > not yet up to where it should be, but then again it's still in the Alpha > stages, and one part of the problem is also that we do have received rather > minimal feedback so far. So please, people - if you find something, report > it! > > > That is not the Qt way, and not a > > perception we should be having. Creator is an excellent product, and one > > I use daily, and I'd like to go back to bleeding edge, as that's where > > all the cool new features are :) > > Understandable :) I think we have managed to get along pretty well so far > with our very 'lean' development model, based on continuous feedback rather > than any continuous integration system ... Now QtCreator is getting more and > more features that we as core developers aren't using ourselves every day, > so we will probably need a better QA. But I really don't want to see the > momentum we have being killed by processes. > > Regards > > Kai Koehne > _______________________________________________ > Qt-creator mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.trolltech.com/mailman/listinfo/qt-creator > > _______________________________________________ > Qt-creator mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.trolltech.com/mailman/listinfo/qt-creator > -- Brett Morgan http://www.google.com/profiles/brett.morgan
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