The most interesting thing is to see this activity. It gives me the feeling that the community is in a productive "work in progress", and some of you will be probably able to keep the contact with the Qt progresses. Sincerely I don't like Java very much, but that depends on my self-thought programmer experience based on C/C++, Python, PHP, and I feel a bit confused in the huge Java arena :) Anyway Qt Jambi, and this responsive itnerest group, can be the occasion to begin my experience with it (I woudn't call it career!), because Swing tempted me to switch back to other languages...
thanks everyone for your contributions, giovanni 2009/9/8 <[email protected]> > Send Qt-jambi-interest mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.trolltech.com/mailman/listinfo/qt-jambi-interest > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Qt-jambi-interest digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: newbie java gui programmer: will qt jambi be stable > enough to invest on it? (Aekold Helbrass) > 2. Re: newbie java gui programmer: will qt jambi be stable > enough to invest on it? (Helge Fredriksen) > 3. Re: newbie java gui programmer: will qt jambi be stable > enough to invest on it? (Eskil Abrahamsen Blomfeldt) > 4. Re: newbie java gui programmer: will qt jambi be stable > enough to invest on it? (Helge Fredriksen) > 5. Re: newbie java gui programmer: will qt jambi be stable > enough to invest on it? (Gunnar Sletta) > 6. Re: Menubars not working in MacOSX? (Gunnar Sletta) > 7. Re: newbie java gui programmer: will qt jambi be stable > enough to invest on it? (Rene) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 17:42:34 +0300 > From: Aekold Helbrass <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Qt-jambi-interest] newbie java gui programmer: will qt > jambi be stable enough to invest on it? > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I have huge experience with Swing and starting to get my experience > with Jambi (but already having some working project) I'll try to > answer main questions in few stages: > 1. It depends on what you need. Swing is much closer to Java, it shows > you main Java OOAD concepts and allows you to get in MVC without pain. > After getting along with Swing - any other Java-based MVC framework > will be 10 minutes for you to master, even web frameworks such as > Struts or Echo2. Also it lets you extend and override your components > hard, it makes use of interfaces and many other deep java things. > QtJambi is a bit back because of it's structure. It relates on native > code, so you can't dig in deep enough to see how it works internally. > Also there are few problems with inheritance, it's great that Jambi > guys are resolving it using interfaces. > 2. If you don't want to make Java career and just want to create some > tools with best platform consistency possible for Java - you'd better > stick with QtJambi. It has great OOAD design, but not a bit > Java-stylish, it has great fonts antialiasing, better components base > that lets you code less but do more, it's graphics abilities are much > more powerful than you can expect from Swing. And of course trolltech > guys are working to make Qt even better, while Sun thinks that Swing > is just fine already (while it is far from truth). > > PS: and of course forget the word AWT :) believe me you don't need it > while you can use Swing. > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:08 PM, G. Allegri<[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello list, > > I've been using Qt's python bindings for a while, and I love this > framework > > both for the Core and Gui features. I'm not an expert gui developer, and > Qt > > gave me the opportunity to setup useful gui's in few days. > > Now I need to work with Java and I've always feared the huge world of > > AWT/Swing, so I was relying all my hopes on Qt Jambi. > > The 1 million $ question is: Qt Jambi will not be further supported by > > Nokia/Trolltech after 4.6 release, does it make sense to rely on this > > framework to start working with Java gui's? I mean, I'm not able to > > contribute to Qt Jambi development, nor have the financial conditions to > > found it (I hope I will in the future!). Should I thake a deep breath and > > start learning Swing, to have a long lasting hope that my gui skills will > be > > supported? Is the Qt Jambi strong enough to give us a promising future > > perspective? > > > > Ok, easy questions for difficult answers... I need just a hint to avoid > > investing on something that doesn't fit my skills. > > > > Have a good day, > > Giovanni > > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Eskil Abrahamsen > Blomfeldt<[email protected]> wrote: > > David Goodenough skrev: > >> Not quite sure this is true. ?You have to remember that things like juic > >> did not originate in Trolltech, but rather in the KDE community - I know > >> > > > > Just to be clear: The QtJava-bindings in KDE, which were made by Richard > > Dale, were for Qt 3 and are licensed under the GPL, so they are not > > related to Qt Jambi in any way, other than possibly some overlap in > > logic :-) No code was used from that project. > > > > -- Eskil > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 06:39:04 +0200 > From: Helge Fredriksen <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Qt-jambi-interest] newbie java gui programmer: will qt > jambi be stable enough to invest on it? > To: Eskil Abrahamsen Blomfeldt <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.trolltech.com/pipermail/qt-jambi-interest/attachments/20090908/f4882939/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 08:48:23 +0200 > From: Eskil Abrahamsen Blomfeldt <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Qt-jambi-interest] newbie java gui programmer: will qt > jambi be stable enough to invest on it? > To: Helge Fredriksen <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Helge Fredriksen skrev: > > Just to follow up my previous post, are you able to depict something > > about coming technology changes in the Qt framework that might inflict > > on the Jambi support for the upcoming Qt releases? > > Hi, Helge. > > If you mean whether it will be technically possible to support upcoming > minor Qt-releases (such as Qt 4.6), I believe that should not be a > problem. From what I know of the new features, it will probably be easy > to support them without any changes to the Qt Jambi Generator. Someone > has to sit down and tag the new classes in the type system and resolve > conflicts though. > > Does that answer your question? > > -- Eskil > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 08:51:21 +0200 > From: Helge Fredriksen <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Qt-jambi-interest] newbie java gui programmer: will qt > jambi be stable enough to invest on it? > To: Eskil Abrahamsen Blomfeldt <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Eskil Abrahamsen Blomfeldt wrote: > > Helge Fredriksen skrev: > >> Just to follow up my previous post, are you able to depict something > >> about coming technology changes in the Qt framework that might > >> inflict on the Jambi support for the upcoming Qt releases? > > > > Hi, Helge. > > > > If you mean whether it will be technically possible to support > > upcoming minor Qt-releases (such as Qt 4.6), I believe that should not > > be a problem. From what I know of the new features, it will probably > > be easy to support them without any changes to the Qt Jambi Generator. > > Someone has to sit down and tag the new classes in the type system and > > resolve conflicts though. > Good news! Shouldn't be a task too overwhelming.... > > > > Does that answer your question? > Indeed, thanks. > > Helge > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 09:07:11 +0200 > From: Gunnar Sletta <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Qt-jambi-interest] newbie java gui programmer: will qt > jambi be stable enough to invest on it? > To: Helge Fredriksen <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Helge Fredriksen wrote: > > Dear Eskil, > > > > Just to follow up my previous post, are you able to depict something > > about coming technology changes in the Qt framework that might inflict > > on the Jambi support for the upcoming Qt releases? > > I see Eskil beat me to it, but I'll post my full answer anyway ;) > > This really depends on the feature ;) > > Most features in Qt come in the form of a new class, function or enum to > some existing set of API's, thus extending what is there with a little > bit more. This kind of funcitonality is usually trivial to add to Qt > Jambi. New functions you will get by default, like for instance > QGraphicsView::isTransformed(). > > New classes are added by figuring out how its used and then specifying > it as either a <value-type>, <object-type> or <interface-type> in the > typesystem. Figuring out which is which requires some insight into what > the difference between the types are, but it quickly becomes > self-explanatory. > > Enums are similarily added by putting the <enum-type> or <enum-value> > into the typesystem. > > This will cover most of the new features to Qt that will come in the > future. > > - > > Then there are the "other things"... For instance kinetic / declarative > UI / QML. I don't know how the final toolchain for this will behave, but > say that you want to export your custom widgets into this framework then > this goes via a C++ plugin, so a C++/java integration plugin would be > required for this to work. Not to mention if this was ever integrated > into designer, etc... > > These bigger features will be quite a bit of work to support, I think. > At least, they have been in the past ;) > > best regards, > Gunnar > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 09:25:00 +0200 > From: Gunnar Sletta <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Qt-jambi-interest] Menubars not working in MacOSX? > To: "Matt. C." <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Matt. C. wrote: > > Currently none of the menu bars appear in the example applications and I > > am unable to get them to appear in mine. > > > > Using 10.5.8 with java: > > java version "1.5.0_19" > > Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_19-b02-304) > > Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_19-137, mixed mode, sharing) > > I am unable to reproduce this, but the mac i tried on only has 10.5.7, > so I've asked its owner to upgrade. Java version is the same though... > > best regards, > Gunnar > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 10:40:30 +0200 > From: Rene <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Qt-jambi-interest] newbie java gui programmer: will qt > jambi be stable enough to invest on it? > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I also think that QTJAMBI have a chance , I personaly dont care much about > designer and special tools for exporting because coding gui in QTJAMBI is > very clean with small amount of code when doing well , thanks to css f.e. > and well designed api . I have used SWING in the past and for me it is > forgotten tehnology , and SWT is also far behind QT in features and > development effort . If I will not stop using QTJAMBI and there will be > need I will learn generator and build new version . > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Gunnar Sletta <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Helge Fredriksen wrote: > > > Dear Eskil, > > > > > > Just to follow up my previous post, are you able to depict something > > > about coming technology changes in the Qt framework that might inflict > > > on the Jambi support for the upcoming Qt releases? > > > > I see Eskil beat me to it, but I'll post my full answer anyway ;) > > > > This really depends on the feature ;) > > > > Most features in Qt come in the form of a new class, function or enum to > > some existing set of API's, thus extending what is there with a little > > bit more. This kind of funcitonality is usually trivial to add to Qt > > Jambi. New functions you will get by default, like for instance > > QGraphicsView::isTransformed(). > > > > New classes are added by figuring out how its used and then specifying > > it as either a <value-type>, <object-type> or <interface-type> in the > > typesystem. Figuring out which is which requires some insight into what > > the difference between the types are, but it quickly becomes > > self-explanatory. > > > > Enums are similarily added by putting the <enum-type> or <enum-value> > > into the typesystem. > > > > This will cover most of the new features to Qt that will come in the > > future. > > > > - > > > > Then there are the "other things"... For instance kinetic / declarative > > UI / QML. I don't know how the final toolchain for this will behave, but > > say that you want to export your custom widgets into this framework then > > this goes via a C++ plugin, so a C++/java integration plugin would be > > required for this to work. Not to mention if this was ever integrated > > into designer, etc... > > > > These bigger features will be quite a bit of work to support, I think. > > At least, they have been in the past ;) > > > > best regards, > > Gunnar > > _______________________________________________ > > Qt-jambi-interest mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.trolltech.com/mailman/listinfo/qt-jambi-interest > > > > > > -- > S Pozdravom / Best Regards > > Rene Dohan > > http://inno.localnet.sk > http://www.qualityunit.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.trolltech.com/pipermail/qt-jambi-interest/attachments/20090908/2751f872/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Qt-jambi-interest mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.trolltech.com/mailman/listinfo/qt-jambi-interest > > > End of Qt-jambi-interest Digest, Vol 20, Issue 8 > ************************************************ >
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