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Stuntman,
I didn't say anyone said it was a success that was my opinion and I'm not playing into anyones hands.
It doesn't matter to me if it was 300 tons of bullets! I think letting terrorist loot any ammunition for several weeks according to this is a massive mistake after all they're using them on on our boys so you see no big deal but I see dead soldiers and no one seemed to take responsibility and in fact tried to deny it all together.
And we don't know how much they captured or destroyed because we weren't watching it for several weeks while hundreds of trucks of looters took their pick.
My whole point to this was we don't know what they took whether it was firecrackers or nuclear detonation material.
And that's the Reality of it!
I'll let it go but saying this is no Big Deal is playing into their hands but that's just my opinion.
Mark
-------Original Message-------
Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 4:11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Colin Powell-A Great Soldier!
Mark!
Who said ANYBODY called that part a success?
You're playing right into the hands of the fools making a BIG DEAL of
what was only LESS THAN 1/2% of Sadamneds stockpile, they forget to
mention "Hey we captured and destroyed 99.5%"!
GET A GRIP ON REALITY!
Stuntman
>
>
> The problem is terrorist have munition experts so mixing is not a
problem.
> And the eyewitnesses saw 100 or more trucks in line carrying these
> explosives
> no matter how potent they were they're being used to make car bombs
which is
> what are killing our soldiers.
> The high explosives were used to detonate nuclear bombs if I'm
correct.
> So to put this off as a success by any means is totaly irresponsible.
>
> Mark
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Stuntman
> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:24:27 PM
> To: QuadPirate; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Stuntman
> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Colin Powell-A Great Soldier!
>
> The "eyewitnesses" didn't see any of the "reported" high explosives
> according to your source.
> It is only those that were considered to be the major threat,
> everything else including "ingredients" (which only a munitions
expert
> would know how to mix properly) were "NOT" high priority, nor were
low
> grade explosives or ammo. The entire dump had an org ~300 TON est
> TOTAL, (not just high explosives, which the IEA later reduced to
> something like 3 tons) which was 1/2 of 1% of what we have rounded up
> and or destroyed.
> Thanks to people like the UN (who org refused to destroy it) & the
> French (who continued to abuse sanctions selling him more), Sadamned
> had way too much, more than what we had been lead to believe was
still
> in Iraq. We also have them to thank for our having to go in to
enforce
> UN Resolution 1441, because the French had told Sadamned that there
> wouldn't be an enforcement, and Sadamneds refusal to abide by the
> Resolution was due to that information.
> Was it wrong to take out Sadamned?
> Could we have afforded to take the chance that sanctions would be
> lifted?
> The Oil For Food scandle tells the real story.
> Corruption and abuse of power by the UN along with trusted members of
> the Security Council.
> As far as war goes, it NEVER goes exactly as planned. The problem
> included Turkey's choice not to let us launch an attacking front from
> their soil.
> Only time will tell if President Bush made a correct course of
action.
> This AP report did not mention that these guys were NOT those who org
> stormed the site, just more dust in the wind.
> Stuntman
> >
> >
> > I'm a little uneasy about this paperwork because of the number of
> > eyewitnesses that saw the looting first hand as stated in this
> article.
> > LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Explosives were looted from the Al-
> Qaqaa
> > ammunitions site in Iraq while outnumbered U.S. soldiers assigned
to
> guard
> > the materials watched helplessly, soldiers told the Los Angeles
Times.
> > About a dozen U.S. troops were guarding the sprawling facility in
the
> weeks
> > after the April 2003 fall of Baghdad when Iraqi looters raided the
> site, the
> > newspaper quoted a group of unidentified soldiers as saying.
> > U.S. Army reservists and National Guardsmen witnessed the looting
and
> some
> > soldiers sent messages to commanders in Baghdad requesting help, but
> > received no reply, they said.
> > "It was complete chaos. It was looting like L.A. during the Rodney
> King
> > riots," one officer said.
> > The eyewitness accounts reported by the Times are the first
provided
> by U.S.
> > soldiers and bolster claims that the U.S. military had failed to
> safeguard
> > the powerful explosives, the newspaper said.
> > Iraqi officials told the United Nations International Atomic Energy
> Agency
> > last month that about 380 tons of high-grade explosives, a type
> powerful
> > enough to detonate a nuclear weapon, had been taken from the Al-
Qaqaa
> > facility.
> > Soldiers who belong to two different units described how Iraqis
> snatched
> > explosives from unsecured bunkers and drove off with them in pickup
> trucks.
> > The soldiers who spoke to the Times asked to remain unidentified,
> saying
> > they feared retaliation from the Pentagon.
> > The soldiers said they could not confirm that looters took the
> particularly
> > powerful explosives known as HMX and RDX. One soldier, however,
said
> U.S.
> > forces saw looters load trucks with bags marked "hexamine," which
is
> a key
> > ingredient for HMX.
> > One senior noncommissioned officer said troops "were running from
one
> side
> > of the compound to the other side, trying to kick people out" and
> that at
> > least 100 vehicles were at the site waiting for the military to
leave
> so
> > that they could loot the munitions.
> > The Pentagon has offered accounts that suggest the explosives were
> removed
> > before the U.S.-led invasion to oust Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein
and
> not
> > during the chaos following the fall of Baghdad.
> > A Pentagon statement last week said the removal of the explosives
> would have
> > required dozens of heavy trucks moving along the same roads as U.S.
> combat
> > divisions.
> > The missing explosives became a campaign issue with Sen. John Kerry
> claiming
> > it was further evidence of the Bush administration's poor handling
of
> the
> > war.
> > Four soldiers who are members of the Germany-based 317th Support
> Center and
> > the 258th Rear Area Operations Center, an Arizona-based Army
National
> Guard
> > unit, said the looting happened over several weeks in late April
and
> early
> > May 2003.
> > Asked about the soldiers' accounts, Pentagon spokeswoman Rose-Ann
> Lynch told
> > the newspaper: "We take the report of missing munitions very
> seriously. And
> > we are looking into the facts and circumstances of this incident."
> >
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: Stuntman
> > Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 1:45:41 PM
> > To: QuadPirate; Stuntman; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Colin Powell-A Great Soldier!
> >
> > That's because the likes of seeBS choose not to cover it
extensively
> > like they did the org "story". Remember, they had planned to run
the
> > story on the Sunday before the election but got scooped by NYT.
> > Tens of Thousands of tons of explosives were destroyed by our
troops
> > and it took a little time to shift through the paper work and
reports
> > by all of our troops who had org passed through that weapons
storage
> > depote. Nobody bothered to check with those who had returned to the
> > States, (some of the special teams etc) before running with the
story
> > designed to be an Oct surprise. It turned out to be red herring,
just
> > another "Rathergate". I wonder why they didn't want to eat the crow
> > they tried to serve. I can not remember any time in my life that
the
> > media has been so blindly biased that they don't even bother to
check
> a
> > story before running with it. This is the kind of thing which
really
> > worries me. Millions of Americans are being lead around by the nose
> and
> > don't even care. Nobody is holding the media accountable.
> > Sorry but the story link I have no longer works:
> > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?
> >
>
tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041025/ap_on_re_mi_ea/nuclear_agency_iraq_timeline&ci
> > d=540&ncid=1473
> >
> > BTW How much have you heard of the UN Oil For Food scandle?
> > Just wondering how much press this VERY important issue is getting.
> > Stuntman
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey Stuntman,
> > > I'm not trying to restart a debate I would just like to know how
we
> > know
> > > where the missing explosives went because I haven't seen this
news.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > -------Original Message-------
> > >
> > > From: Stuntman
> > > Date: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:26:20 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Colin Powell-A Great Soldier!
> > >
> > > France stabbed him in the back after promising to back UN
> Resolution
> > > 1441. The UN wasn't any help either. What happened then behind
> closed
> > > doors with the President can only be speculated about. The man
has
> > > served his country beyond the call of duty. He is ready for a
well
> > > earned vacation from public service. Maybe after a few years his
> wife
> > > will be ready to kick him back out into the world and he'd
consider
> > > running for the big job in 2008.
> > > But to think it is all about Iraq?
> > > It was only a short time ago everyone was whining about
> > the "dangerous
> > > explosives that could have been used to trigger a nuke".
> > > OK, now we know the story about 300+ tons of the stuff missing
was
> > > wrong, but the O.F.F. scandle is true as were the weapons and
> > munitions
> > > marked "Made in France 2001".
> > > The sanctions were NOT working.
> > > There is strong evidence the WMD's were moved into Syria.
> > > Sadamned was poised to restsrt his nuke program once sanctions
were
> > > lifted.
> > > All of this treachery uncovered only because President Bush did
> what
> > he
> > > thought was right.
> > >
> > > > It appears that Colin hasn't been a happy camper the last
couple
> of
> > > years and
> > > > has been at odd with the President's other secretaries, non of
> them
> > > had
> > > > combat experience like Colin Powell. It was Colin who made
> > > suggestions to the
> > > > President which were over ruled by others who didn't have
combat
> > > experience. In
> > > > the end Powell had to explain why we invaded Iraq when in his
> > heart,
> > > he knew it
> > > > was wrong... at the time.
> > > > Nothing on the news mentioned anything about his wife. (Just
how
> do
> > > you get
> > > > this information?lol)
> > > > W
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 11/15/04 5:38:22 PM,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > writes:
> > > >
> > > > << He is a good man.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mark >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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