Thanks, Jim - Ron and others for help with this......yes i do think with us being Quads , we need to use some common sense and thought with issues such as our shoulders-- I have not exersiced with weights for several days and it feels a lot better... In the future i will try and do range - streach band exercise and try not to do to much to strain shoulders to much in ways that may cause more harm than good !
                                                                    Dan

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