Risking a life and taking a chance is not the same as willfully
terminating a life. I wasn't happy that she was doing IVF because I
don't agree with it. I also wasn't paying the thousands of dollars
the treatments cost. She and her husband had decided that if the
first implantation had been successful they were going to keep the
rest frozen because they considered the embryos their unborn children.
I don't agree with the whole process, but it's not up to me. It just
compounds the problem by saying the embryos are left over and going
die anyway so might as well use them for some research to make
someone else better.
Again, I could understand that for those who don't consider a 50-150
celled human embryo a human life you wouldn't have a problem with
using them for research. It's just a meaningless clump of cells to
you. Are you so closed minded to see why someone who considers it a
life would have a problem using that life for research to improve
someone else's life? Would you feel the same if you did consider it a life?
At 04:15 PM 4/8/2007, RollinOn wrote:
Yes Jim,
But there was a chance that she wouldn't have naturally and it was a
risk she was willing to take.
If the first would've not failed then the others would've been
trashed and it happens daily, and fertilizing an egg and implanting
it is "not" natural.
I know she didn't willfully terminate the embryos but she took a
risk that it could happen so you can't have it both ways and say she
wasn't willing to risk human life (as you see it) because it was
successful, it's still risking human life.
I'm not saying anything is wrong with this procedure btw I think
it's great for people who want children and can't naturally but
research won't be killing any more or less regardless of any laws
being passed, meaning all this work and uproar and not one life
saved but science and research could save the suffering of millions
and they're the killers!
Mark Jackson
RollinOn
From: Jim Lubin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 3:11 PM
To: Dan; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cell Facts
Dan,
Her eggs were harvested then fertilized with her husbands sperms,
this resulted in 8 embryos. Four were implanted in uterus, all 4
failed to develop and she had a miscarriage. Several month later she
had 3 more implanted and those failed to develop.
How could anyone possibly equate a miscarriage, the natural or
spontaneous end of a pregnancy at a stage where the embryo or the
fetus is incapable of surviving, as a murderous act? She didn't
willfully terminate the first 7 embryos, they failed to develop.
At 12:33 PM 4/8/2007, Dan wrote:
At 11:01 AM 4/8/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited
my response:
I am against the whole IVF process that creates excess embryos to begin with.
On a side note, my cousin just gave birth to a son last week. He was
the result of IVF from her egg and her husband's sperm. They had 8
viable embryos. The first 7 she did not carry full term. I'm happy
for them that the last one she was able to carry to term and mom and
son are doing fine.
Jim
This is where your argument falls apart. First you say you are
"against the whole IVF process that creates excess embryos to begin
with." And that these eggs are sacred and never should be destroyed.
But, then you say that it is wonderful that your cousin in fact
murdered 7 sacred eggs before finally becoming pregnant - and
pregnant is the operative word.
Many human eggs are fertilized but very few result in pregnancy.
Everything has to occur exactly in the right way and at the right
time for this to happen. Millions of naturally fertilized eggs never
develop into a human.
If you truly believed in your argument, then you would be disgusted
with your cousins 'murderous' behavior. Yet, you rejoice. You can't
have it both ways.
Dan
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