Not quite sure if these things have GPS capability, if they don't, your
analogy about the soldiers doesn't really apply.  If there is a GPS type of
chip, why don't our soldiers have them when they are in a combat zone?
Just my two cents.
Quadius

On 5/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 I've heard that social security numbers are the mark of the beast, and so
are drivers liscenses and credit card numbers. If our soldiers had rfidthere 
wouldn't be three missing soldiers getting tortured to death or even
missing bodies. If you have alzhiemers you should be allowed rfid to help
locate you for your own safety. If you believe rfid is the mark of the
beast you should be forced to wear an aluminum foil beany so the rest of
us know who the mentally defective people are without having to talk to
them.


john


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Plan to 'chip' Alzheimer's patients causes protest
19 May 2007NewScientist.com news serviceCeleste Biever

IT LOOKS deceptively familiar. The patient rolls up his sleeve, the doctor
sticks a
needle into his arm, and soon it's all over. But this is no routine vaccination.
Instead, the patient has been injected with a fleck of silicon that will
uniquely
identify him when zapped with radio waves. Now, nearly three years after their
use
was approved by the US Food and Drug Administration, implantable radio frequency
identification (RFID) chips are the focus of a new controversy.

The battle lines are being drawn in a quiet corner of West Palm Beach, Florida.
On
12 May, some 30 protesters held an inter-faith prayer vigil (pictured above)
outside
Alzheimer's Community Care, a day-care facility for people with dementia. At
issue
is the facility's plan to implant 200 patients with microchips manufactured and
donated by VeriChip of nearby Delray Beach. When scanned, the chip reveals a
unique
ID number, which when entered into a password-protected database gives access to
medical information about its owner.

If the plan goes ahead, it will be the first time the technology has been tried
on a
group of people with a specific mental impairment. The forgetfulness that comes
with
Alzheimer's can make it impossible for people with the condition to pass on
vital
information when faced with a medical emergency, which is why advocates are keen
to
make use of RFID chips with this group.

"If for whatever reason - an automobile accident or hurricane - the person
becomes
separated from their loved one, they are totally, totally helpless. They can't
share
what medically is wrong with them," says Mary Barnes of Alzheimer's Community
Care.
"This could be a safety net."

Privacy advocates say that it is precisely this helplessness that makes the
proposed
use of the tags unacceptable. "This is a community that is not in a position to
give
fully informed consent or to say no," says Katherine Albrecht of CASPIAN, an
Internet-based consumer rights organisation. "The nature of the disease is that
they
can't fully understand."

Albrecht likens "the violent and invasive act" of implanting a chip in someone
who
does not have the ability to consent to the act of rape. Others agree with the
sentiment, if not the comparison. "This is by definition a way of doing
something
that denies a person control," says Lee Tien of the Electronic Frontier
Foundation
in San Francisco. "If that doesn't strike at the heart of human dignity, I don't
know what does." He and Albrecht would rather see a chip implanted in a
bracelet.

Barnes says a bracelet would not be nearly as useful. People might remove it if
it
got uncomfortable, especially those with Alzheimer's, who might not understand
why
they should wear it.

Bracelets could also label people as mentally ill, whereas an implanted chip is
much
less obvious, says Rick Rader of the Orange Grove Center in Chattanooga,
Tennessee.
The centre, which cares for children with Down's syndrome, cerebral palsy and
autism, was in the media spotlight two years ago when it considered using 
VeriChip's
device in a similar study on its patients, a plan that has since been put on the
back burner.

At the time there was an outcry from those who saw an implantable RFID as
reminiscent of the "mark of the beast", as described in the book of Revelations.
As
explained on Albrecht's website, the Bible states that people who take the mark
of
the beast - a mark on the right hand or the forehead that contains a number or a
name that is required for buying and selling - will receive a "grievous sore" as
well as the "wrath of God", while those who refuse will be rewarded.

It is something Albrecht, a Christian, takes seriously. "I don't think anyone is
arguing that the VeriChip implant in its current incarnation would meet that
definition," she says. "But the concern for many people is that this would be a
necessary precursor to getting to that point and therefore probably should be
objected to."

From issue 2604 of New Scientist magazine, 19 May 2007, page 14




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