I meany laying down in bed on his side. That's how I do it now because I can't transfer onto the chair naked. I can't transfer without clothes so am on my own as far as bowel program and bathing goes. I put a pan of water on my sliding board on my lap and wash up. I take it back to the sink the same way. I use blue pads for my bowel program. I lay on my side and when I am finished, I roll the pad up and tuck it the best and cleanest way I can. I then roll another blue pad and tuck that one under the pad I tucked under me. Mind you, I am on my side this whole time. I then roll to the other side carefully without twisting my back too much bc of the rods. I finish rolling up the soiled pad and throw it away and use baby wipes to clean the other side then finishing with rinseless body wash. It can be done. When I was in rehab I was told by my occupational therapist another para did it that way. Like I said earlier that I practiced cleaning myself up while I was in rehab so if I made a mess I could have help cleaning it up. 7 years later, I'm a pro. Dont get me wrong, I do have bad days sometimes. I've had diarrahea and each time I turned, i would go again. I'd have to keep up rolling up blue pads and tucking it under the one I rolled up until I stopped going. When I was on the Zyvox, I went a lot and had to keep up with that and it's a pain but worth it for the independence. When I came home from rehab, I was pretty heavy but still managed. When I used the shower chair, I reached between my legs because I wasnt able to lean to one side. I used a 3 in one chair. I have a tub, not a roll in shower. The bench hangs over the side of the tub, it has a cut out with a bucket. I would go to the bathroom, take out the bucket and then shower. When I was all through, I managed to clean out the bucket. It can be done, it just takes practice. I hope your friend manages in his situation better. I wouldn't want to be in his situation thats for sure. Stacy
----- Original Message ---- From: RONALD L PRACHT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, June 6, 2008 11:22:50 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] stacy well he would transfer on the small bowell chair.......when he reached down his right side and leaned over to digital himself the chair fell over. he called me and said he was naked on the floor.being his moms 79 he had to call 911. ron c7

